It's not VS's fault that the whole industry has skinny models. They've always been poaching HF models, it's just that now HF models are very skinny. And I'd rather they send a "thin and active" message than an "fat is healthy" one, tbh.

Au contraire, I think it's their fault to hire very thin model and photoshop them to look "curvier" (more breast & ass) more meat on the bones, more hair & more everything. They hire models supposed to be "perfect" and they are not perfect enough for the brand. Weird message to send to women & young girls. And when I see how skinny cutie Behati is now, I also think they are a very dangerous company to work with.

I wouldn't mind seeing more bodies like Laetitia's:

I'd like too but I think it's a lost cause.

I am pretty sure she would looks too "trashy" for VS (when she is not she just love to be naked all the time )

but Emily Ratajkowski got the perfect body for lingerie

nudity + :mignonne:

I wouldn't like it when VS started to hire only models with a body like Laetitia's.

You know, Laetitia's body is awesome, but if they only hired models like her, it would be the same difference.

They would just create another ideal of beauty, e.g. that the perfect woman must have big boobs.

Therefore it would be better if VS hired models with different body types.

I'd like to see girls like Karlie to be admired as well as girls like Kate.

That would be real progress imho.

I wouldn't like it when VS started to hire only models with a body like Laetitia's.

You know, Laetitia's body is awesome, but if they only hired models like her, it would be the same difference.

They would just create another ideal of beauty, e.g. that the perfect woman must have big boobs.

Therefore it would be better if VS hired models with different body types.

I'd like to see girls like Karlie to be admired as well as girls like Kate.

That would be real progress imho.

exactly. In order for it all to be settled is for VS to be more diverse. Don't just stick to skinny models, or models with just big boobs. Have a balance of models that look like candice, barbs, Adriana, karlie, and tyra and Laetitia. Don't just stick to one generalized body type

I just ran across this picture in my search to find a certain model and how much everyone seems to loath her on tumblr (Cara, and I still can't figure out why )

lol maybe VS is paying attention to this thread, so InB4 the last time we see someone like this associated with VS o.o

^... O.o

yeah I was going to say something about that, honestly at first I thought it was made up and like a campaign AGAINST pink I was surprised

Are we sure it's not a hoax? I can't find anything about it on the VS or PINK websites, If it is real then good for VS (Y)

That surfaced several months back and isn't associated with VS. Not sure about the whole story behind it.

I wouldn't like it when VS started to hire only models with a body like Laetitia's.

You know, Laetitia's body is awesome, but if they only hired models like her, it would be the same difference.

They would just create another ideal of beauty, e.g. that the perfect woman must have big boobs.

Therefore it would be better if VS hired models with different body types.

I'd like to see girls like Karlie to be admired as well as girls like Kate.

That would be real progress imho.

I wouldn't like it when VS started to hire only models with a body like Laetitia's.

You know, Laetitia's body is awesome, but if they only hired models like her, it would be the same difference.

They would just create another ideal of beauty, e.g. that the perfect woman must have big boobs.

Therefore it would be better if VS hired models with different body types.

I'd like to see girls like Karlie to be admired as well as girls like Kate.

That would be real progress imho.

exactly. In order for it all to be settled is for VS to be more diverse. Don't just stick to skinny models, or models with just big boobs. Have a balance of models that look like candice, barbs, Adriana, karlie, and tyra and Laetitia. Don't just stick to one generalized body type

totally agree with you both. Diversity like in the real world. And I am maybe a petite white French woman, but I'd like to see more women with darker skin.

I just ran across this picture in my search to find a certain model and how much everyone seems to loath her on tumblr (Cara, and I still can't figure out why )

lol maybe VS is paying attention to this thread, so InB4 the last time we see someone like this associated with VS o.o

http://i.imgur.com/twRJzwz.png

^... O.o

Tweeted about it a few months ago. It is not affiliated with VS. The organization behind this created some panties and implanted them into the panties draws of a few local VS stores. Some of the text on the panties include something along the lines of "No Means No", "Consent Is Sexy", "Ask Me", etc.

Darn, I wanted those panties.

Having seen both vintage VS and modern VS, I don't think that strong personalities or very curvy and sexual models with large body parts would model the myriad generic items on their websight and catalogue very well. The intentionally awkward and extensive photoshop work they do tends to draw emphasis away from the woman that is wearing whatever and beams one's eyes instead onto the clothing. The model herself actually fades into the background somewhat.

Using supermodels or very beautiful pictures would be very distracting. The vintage VS catalogues resemble men's magazines a bit too much and featured such distraction.

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Yeah, and the whole trope about thin women = unhealthy is off unless they are showing signs of nutritional deficiency. I am thin/underweight myself and am not unhealthy. A lot of these model girls have an elongated and delicate bone structure. They can be quite thin and have no nutritional deficiency at all. And actually, I don't think that they do.

In fact, normal or even chubby women could be significantly less healthy than they. It all depends..

So the claim that Katie Upton is more healthy than Karlie Kloss is twaddle unless specifics are being examined.

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Having seen both vintage VS and modern VS, I don't think that strong personalities or very curvy and sexual models with large body parts would model the myriad generic items on their websight and catalogue very well. The intentionally awkward and extensive photoshop work they do tends to draw emphasis away from the woman that is wearing whatever and beams one's eyes instead onto the clothing. The model herself actually fades into the background somewhat.

Using supermodels or very beautiful pictures would be very distracting. The vintage VS catalogues resemble men's magazines a bit too much and featured such distraction.

Okay, I'm going out on a limb here, and I truly hope you don't take this personally, but are you gay? No insult intended and if you are, not only is that okay it's kind of awesome, but really? You're more drawn to the clothing then to the model? Okay, I can understand some of the models not being your cup of tea, but these women, regardless of how much they are photo shopped are all quite beautiful, each in their own way.

I can see the difference between vintage VS and modern VS, but I don't think that that is the intent of the brand to have the eye drawn away from the model and focused on the clothing. They are still trying to brand their new models. Forcing some of these women down our collective throats so we get to know for instance Candice, and the things Candice does. If they just wanted us to see the clothing they wouldn't try to sell us a name.

I think it's more a case of Monica and Ed catering towards a certain body type and not taking into consideration what their target audience wants. These women are still trying to sell sex, they just are "falling short" because of the elevated platform so many of us have put vintage VS on. It's not necessarily better or worse, but it's current so it's not as good.

It's the collective nothing is good enough unless it's something we don't have.

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Yeah, and the whole trope about thin women = unhealthy is off unless they are showing signs of nutritional deficiency. I am thin/underweight myself and am not unhealthy. A lot of these model girls have an elongated and delicate bone structure. They can be quite thin and have no nutritional deficiency at all. And actually, I don't think that they do.

In fact, normal or even chubby women could be significantly less healthy than they. It all depends..

So the claim that Katie Upton is more healthy than Karlie Kloss is twaddle unless specifics are being examined.

While this argument has been done to death, the whole idea of unhealthy skinny being better then unhealthy over weight is absolute garbage. Either way is unhealthy. And yes, in the past some of the VS models, have shown signs of being a little to "skinny" to be healthy, and it's made headlines, and had people taking a step back questioning how a brand marketing "sexy" could consider this okay.

If you consider yourself underweight that is unhealthy, because their is a natural body weight you should be around based on bone density, height and other factors. By taking that into consideration underweight, by it's very nature is considered unhealthy.

As for Kate Upton being more healthy then Karlie Kloss, or vice versa that argument hasn't been thrown out in quite some time, at least not to the point where it should have become a stand point for a debate. The whole point people have been trying to make for the last page or so is that there should be a broad range of the full spectrum of healthy body types. Slender, curvy, bottom heavy, top heavy, whatever your quirk is. Instead it's all these incredibly slender girls, with waif like figures who they then proceed to photo shop weight and or curves onto.

If you want curves, hire a damn model with curves, if not then stick with what you have. Chicken cutlets aside, padding aside there are numerous models out there who fit the bill of the fuller figure, Barbara being one of them, Kate being another. They choose not to pick up any women like that, instead sticking with overtoned or petite girls and wondering why the average joe has so much trouble relating to the brand and why their sales are declining.

Most people, especially in America are not the size of Candice, or Alessandra, or even Doutzen and Adriana, (both of who are considered their fuller figured models of the brand). They're closer in range to a girl like Barbara, who has that soft womanly curve that is "possible to the imagination". When a woman sits back looking at this lingerie they want to be able to picture themselves in it, and it's hard to relate to women who have no tits or ass, if you're looking down at a full C or D and a booty where one cheek would fit the entire panty of Candice's bottoms.

Yes there are girls who are more petite buying the brand, but they aren't the only ones but they seem to be the only ones who are being represented. So personally I look at the argument of skinny vs curvy as having progressed past which is healthier or more unhealthy to something more along the lines of give us both ends of the spectrum, not just one little slice of it. It's like looking into the sky and seeing the red, orange and yellow bit, but having a tree blocking the green, blue, indigo and violet parts of a rainbow. You feel cheated in some way.

I for one don't just want my cake, I want to eat it too.

^^^^^Seriously THIS THIS AND MORE THIS! Pheno hit it right on the mark. Shoot forget about revamping and getting rid of the angels VS needs to start with checking their team and get rid of Ed and Monica if they want the brand to go somewhere because obviously the ones who are running the show are living in La La land.

I think it's ridiculous to watch the 90's VSFS and the 2012 and see that the same two people are still running it O.o ... I've been saying this for a while but VS needs new blood and this goes with everything: PR team, designers (for both the brand & the VSFS), photographers, stylist & models.

VS costumers have evolved and clearly the brand doesn't see that. Which is why their sales are hurting and why brands like Aerie are growing up and taking clients with them.

Totally unreal You are better off calling Saul Goodman...

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???? I ask myself almost every night why VS never made Barbara, Bregje, Lais, Shanina, Elyse Taylor, Julie Ordon, Edita, Ana Beatriz, Megan Ewing, Isabeli , & Nicole Trunfio Angels?

Because VS secretly hates you and is going out of their way to make your dreams NOT come true.... clearly.

Real reason: Because they didn't want to. End of story