So, how much longer do you think CBS is going to stick with the show? Perhaps cut it out of TV and do straight up streaming on the internet? 

I just watched the show. And I must say less is more. It's too many girls.

 

The Road Ahead Elsa opening was great (but still can't stand Dragon The Bill). She has a lot of energy, charisma. Strong walk. I hate her outfit. I'm only worried about her face. Elsa looks different lately. Something with her face, lips.. Idk.

Maria was stunning. This girl has insane body and lovely smile. Hope VS keep her. I really like Cindy too, her legs are amazing. Liu, Ming and Lais were just nice. I'm not fan of Barbara F but she seems so cute. What a nice girl. Her walk was good.

Jas, Gigi, even Ale were forgottable. I hope not to see Kendull again. Her body is okay but her face is so average. And these lips. Awful. 

 

Mountain Romance Jo opening was just okay. She seems really tired. Her eyes. She needs some rest, some sleep. Sanne Vloet doesn't fit VS. I hope it's her last show. Lily A should go. She ages so much. She looks like a mother of many girls.. Not a fan of Zuri too. Love Sui she's beautiful. And I'm the only person who is glad that Lily D gets the Swarovski wings. She's stunning. Her walk is different but she belongs to HF. Iza bores me I want something new. She's perfect for VS but she should go (same reasones as Lily A). I really like Stella outfit but I'm not sure she's good material for an Angel. Sara should replace Adriana. They're look alike. I like Romee but her tan and boobs look so fake. Rest of blond girls in this segment was boring.

 

Pink Nation This segment has so much energy but these outfits.. I'm not sure. Most of girls was forgottable. Alana has some charisma but for me she doesn't fit VS. Luma. What a disaster. Who hire her? Dilone was fun but she is okay only for Pink. All these blonds forgottable. Again.

 

 Dark Angel/Secret Angel Adrianna is queen of VS but she should go now. Her outfits are terrible. Somebody hates her. Bella was tragic. One of the best outfits and this girl or zombie maybe. Her walk was dead, her face is dead too. Shame. Jourdana has nice energy but she's not VS girl. Cindy, Elsa and Tylor were amazing. Ming outfit was awful too but I like her on the catwalk. Irina is just okay. I think it's her first and last time. Liu was stunning in this segment. What a star. Love it. Georgia Flower means nothing for me. Devon looks beautiful in this section. She has some potential. She's American. She should be an Angel one day. She just fits perfectly to VS. Kate G looks great. Sad she's not Angel anymore. I think this year was the best of Martha. Never be a fan of her but this year she looks really good. Her body, her face never look better. Ale should go like Iza and Adri. It's perfect VS trio but they're just too old. Go with glory girls. Joan and her big wings was amazing. I like her she so beauitful and she's HF model. VS really needs that.

 

Bright Night Angel Jas should open or close this segment. Poor girl. Gigi and Bella have much more screentime. VS is so stupied. I think the Fantasy Bra is quite nice and Jas was good chocie for wearing this. She's has amazing body. I like Maria, Bella nad Lily outfits. Lily and Maria shine on the catwalk. I like Jo in Swaroviski outfit. Lily A shoudn't close the whole show. Her walk is still bad. It's time to leave.

 

3 hours ago, PastaFreak said:

The long debate about models, lol. But I have to agree about one thing, that models like Elsa sell the brand better to the the Asian crowd. Someone like Adriana would have less influence in the Asian market because her features are much more sultry and bombshell while Elsa attracts the eyes of Asian viewers, because her features are much more exotic, soft yet still sufficient enough to maintain a sexy vibe. Even Alessandra and Josephine to that extent.

 

Alessandra and Adriana are the best two comparisons you have. Adriana is the bombshell, and Alessandra is your timeless beauty. Even on stage, Adriana had always have more presence than Alessandra. But Alessandra always stood out more as the feminine, gorgeous one. Not saying either one is unattractive, it's just that a VS model with softer features yet capable of maintaining a sexy vibe will capture the attention of Asians much so than the typical bombshells you'd consider is the standards in the Western world.

 

Adriana, Stella, Martha, Lily and maybe, Lais will not capture the eye of Asians. Someone like Taylor will be a massive hit with the Asian crowd tho.

 

I guess it just falls down to the perception of beauty in Asian culture. There are times where I like Adriana, because she can really capture your attention, but it doesn't mean she's always the best standard of what VS can present. Even if she had the largest fanbase, Adriana is still very situational beauty. And the same is for Candice. Each model has her own personal attraction. But at the end of the day, the Western and Asian crowd have very different standards of beauty. 

 

Candice would be an amazing candidate for the Asian market along with Elsa and Jo. Ale is way too severe in the face and her body proportions have had poor reception in Asia. Taylor wouldn't do so well with the Asian crowd...the eyebrows will be too much. She has a babyface but there's also a very strong angularity or severity that comes out in pictures.

 

Miranda would be amazing too if she was still with VS..

8 minutes ago, gotportugal said:

Really?

 

You think I am BSing???  

8 minutes ago, katchitup said:

So, how much longer do you think CBS is going to stick with the show? Perhaps cut it out of TV and do straight up streaming on the internet? 

 

No matter what happens VS wins  However, I think a change in formatting, perhaps a change network as well, and have both TV and online streaming would slightly help. But let's be honest, VS and the Angels are not as relevant anymore to the general population. 

^ Agreed. No matter how low the ratings get, VS is getting advertisement they wouldn't without the show. I think a change in network, ABC maybe?, would do it some good. They could overhaul the creative team when they did that too. 

3 minutes ago, PinkCouture said:

 

No matter what happens VS wins  However, I think a change in formatting, perhaps a change network as well, and have both TV and online streaming would slightly help. But let's be honest, VS and the Angels are not as relevant anymore to the general population. 

IMO I think even cutting TV out of the equation wouldn't help or hurt. If the cut out TV completely with agressive web advertising I bet they could get that TV viewership back with # of streaming views. 

 

But TV ad revenue is big, I get that. I guess what I'm wondering is when does CBS say they are spending too much and aren't getting enough viewership in return? 

 

 

7 hours ago, MB729 said:

I'm 22 and I couldn't disagree with you more. If anything, The women that actually look like mature, sexy, adult women are the largest draw to the show for me. I don't want to see teenage-looking girls in lingerie because I'm not a teenager nor do I want to look like one or find that appealing. I'd rather aspire to look sexy, fierce, and confident like the Adriana's and Alessandra's of the show. I don't want to see a bunch of girls that look like they should be in high school classes with my little sister. 

 

As for "no one your age" being attracted Adriana... who do you know?! Genuinely curious, because I don't know a single person in my age group, regardless of gender that isn't attracted to Adriana or doesn't find her beautiful. There's a reason she was the only model in the entire lineup to trend worldwide during the show and trust me, it's not because no one's attracted to her. She's most certainly not the problem with VS. If anything, she IS Victoria's secret and she's holding them together. 

 

And say what you will about Lady Gaga but two things trended during the show: Adriana Lima and Lady Gaga. No other model, no other performer. And while Lady Gaga's new leaf she's turned may not be as popular as her music of the past (truthfully, I hate it), to say she's not "mainstream" isn't fully accurate. She's still a star in her own right, even if her light's a little dimmer now than before. She's been on a popular TV show with a cult following, she's working on a movie with Bradley Cooper, she has her own cult following, and she's a performer that actually has a genuine love and appreciation of fashion and the creativity of it. She's an entertainer through and through. 

 

VS has a lot of issues, but Adriana and Lady Gaga weren't either of them. 

Her following being gay twinks, I don't see why VS featured her.

 

Unless...

^

Just now, katchitup said:

IMO I think even cutting TV out of the equation wouldn't help or hurt. If the cut out TV completely with agressive web advertising I bet they could get that TV viewership back with # of streaming views. 

 

 

 

Regardless it is an hour long promotion and commercial. That is more exposure most brands get in one year. If they did both TV and online they would reach more people and increase exposure. 

1 minute ago, PinkCouture said:

^

 

Regardless it is an hour long promotion and commercial. That is more exposure most brands get in one year. If they did both TV and online they would reach more people and increase exposure. 

I edited my comment above,

 

I guess what I'm wondering is when does CBS say they are spending too much and aren't getting enough viewership in return? 

Streaming is key. I mean they did it in 2000 and for back then it was major so I'm surprised it hasn't already happened.

 

2001 is such an iconic show. Everything was perfect. My fav runway walk of all time is Tyra coming out after Fernanda as the stage turned pink and there's this strong song and she just stomped down.

Just now, katchitup said:

I edited my comment above,

 

I guess what I'm wondering is when does CBS say they are spending too much and aren't getting enough viewership in return? 

 

I agree it is all on CBS. Even if they dropped VS, VS could easily find another network or avenue for the show. I am suspecting there might be some sorta contracts involved and when that contract ends both parties will re-evaluate things  

Also someone mentioned ABC as a good network. I disagree. Back in 2001 yes but now not so much. ABC are under Disney and their programming now I don't think they'd air the VS show at all tbh. NBC would be a better fit.

Just now, Kevork89 said:

Also someone mentioned ABC as a good network. I disagree. Back in 2001 yes but now not to much. ABC are under Disney and their programming now I don't think they'd air the VS show at all tbh. NBC would be a better fit.

 

I don't think ABC would be a good network. It just happened the best year was on ABC but that doesn't mean VS should have stuck with ABC. Of all the major broadcast networks I do agree NBC is the best choice  

Doesn't ABC skew female more than the other big networks (not including the CW)? 

6 minutes ago, Siemgi said:

Her following being gay twinks, I don't see why VS featured her.

 

Unless...

Gaga have girls in her following too you know

and i'm sure there are a lot of gay fans of the VSFS and i know some of them watched the show because of Gaga

I rewatched 2001-2014 in the past few days. The concert formula and easygoing walks with finger pointing and dancing really took off after Gisele left! It's basically the staple from 2010 and forward. 

Gisele has a killer, strong, fluid walk and so does every single girl before 2010. Carmen Kass was one of their HF girls but she has boobies and a round butt! Those shows are so much sexier and cohesive. The whole "It's my time to shine! I'm going to walk alongside this superfamous musician like I'm walking to the bathroom at a club and then come up with a nifty pose at the end of the runway" reminds me of those amateur fashion shows in small town malls. The girls from the Gisele era are more like "I'm a hot b**** and you want what I'm wearing."

I don't have any favorite. But I do have favorite segments. 2005: sexy toy, sexy santa helpers, 2006 winter wonderland of glacial goddess 2012; Dangerous liaisons , silvers secret angels, 2013: Parisian Night 2014; university of pink 2015: Ice Angel. 

I finally watched the show today and (for me) it was better than 2015 and 2014 shows. Somehow the energy seemed better.  And this year I liked some of the music and performers. Still not a great show. Like everybody said it felt rushed. Also I really miss the days when all the Angels had 3 outfits...

My favorite Angels were Adriana (Queen), Elsa (her opening was great, better than Behati and Candice), Jasmine, Sara and Jo. And other favorite models were Irina (such a goddess), Grace and Kelly Gale. None of the others stood out...

Last good show for me was in 2013 (Parisian nights) and I could watch some of the older shows (2003-2008) over and over again... this one doesn't feel like that, but it's still an improvement from the last year's show. 

18 minutes ago, modellight said:

I rewatched 2001-2014 in the past few days. The concert formula and easygoing walks with finger pointing and dancing really took off after Gisele left! It's basically the staple from 2010 and forward. 

Gisele has a killer, strong, fluid walk and so does every single girl before 2010. Carmen Kass was one of their HF girls but she has boobies and a round butt! Those shows are so much sexier and cohesive. The whole "It's my time to shine! I'm going to walk alongside this superfamous musician like I'm walking to the bathroom at a club and then come up with a nifty pose at the end of the runway" reminds me of those amateur fashion shows in small town malls. The girls from the Gisele era are more like "I'm a hot b**** and you want what I'm wearing."

Hahaha so true, it is a very good metaphore

 

But sorry even Adriana fell for the 'cheap' walk.