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I think the "it's my time to shine" and "friendly runway walk" needs to go! The fact that average women are now setting up their own "it's my time to shine" shows just cheapens the whole concept. They need to bring back the intimate feeling from the 99-2005 shows when the models would have a killer walk and stare down the camera. Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders and average women can't replicate the Gisele walk and stare but they can blow kisses. So no more dancing, no finger pointing, no hearts, no blowing kisses, no selfie hand motions, this isn't a strip club!!! Also, straight hair like early VS please and red lips.

Sorry, but people like us who are on Bellazon and can name all the Angels off the top of our head are not the typical person who tunes in on CBS. That's a small percentage. A lot of people watch it hoping to see some T&A, as a tradition, the musical guests, the older Angels or to gawk while drinking with friends. Yes, someone smaller than size 4 doesn't mean unhealthy but to a lot of the general public it means unhealthy. I see you're based in the Netherlands but here in America, a lot of thinner women (especially lanky types) are seen as having something wrong with them outside of fashion industry people. People are very outspoken about it and will not hold themselves back saying that smaller women need to eat a sandwich etc. I'm a solid size 4 at 6 feet, 32DDD, former soccer player and I don't starve myself but if I walk through some parts of this country like the midwest, the south, suburbs and college towns, people are not afraid to tell me they think I look like I have an eating disorder.

I think it really depends on who you ask. The model obsessed tend to say that softer, curvier girls need to work out more and eat healthier. But a lot of people who aren't model obsessed look at VS models, models, and in general women below size 4 dress as unhealthy, weak, starving themselves, can fall over and break, need a sandwich etc. It shouldn't be that way either way but it is just that there is so much misinformation about bodies in general. I think women want authenticity these days. People can see behind all the "fakeness" at VS like the fake curves from contouring, poses, chicken filets, the fake healthiness (because they've been caught smoking cigarettes, binge eating, binge drinking), the fake skinniness from crash diets. I think that's where a lot of the "hate" from the general public comes from.

Those girls from the 90's and 00's were still doing other fashion shows. Athletic and fit does not have to mean lack of breasts, hips, butts and waists. It also definitely doesn't mean skinny. Big people, skinny people, curvy people can be healthy or unhealthy. Many elite female athletes are not your definition of "skinny." Simona Halep, Serena Williams, Misty Copeland to name a few. Marisa Miller looks far more athletic and stronger than Stella, Taylor, Lily, Behati and Romee for example.

I don't think curvy necessarily equates with big. The VS models in the 90's and early 00's were still sample size and athletic but they had more boob, butt and waist to hip ratio. They had a different shape. I wouldn't put any of the girls today as healthier looking or more fit than say girls like Heidi and Marisa Miller who were curvy and athletic. Plus, intensifying a workout for a short period of time with a cutting diet and then binge eating after the show isn't exactly healthy and unfortunately, some girls do that.

This is true. The VS Angels have become so tiny in the torso and cup size that the sample size bras they wear don't even fit without tape and chicken filets. VS doesn't make their actual bra size....that's probably why they don't wear them in real life!

Thanks for those videos @Sanni! I love how Heidi, Tyra and Marisa give their interviews! So professional and mature...we don't really see that these days. They do a great job convincing me that they actually wear and love what they're selling. Today, we see so many pictures of the Angels not wearing bras in their streetstyle and red carpet. Some have even said in non-VS related interviews that they don't wear bras on a day to day basis because they don't need one. It kind of makes what they're selling seem futile.

I wear 32DDD in VS so I run into the same problem! But I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that some styles are not designed to give enough support past certain sizes. But then on the other hand, I have friends who wear 32A, 34A and 30C and they have really slim pickings. Some bras are just for different sizes and shapes.

Really? I'm a big 2 to solid 4 and I can wear both the XS and S depending on what has sold out. The XS isn't uncomfortable at all. I guess the difference here must be what other brands you are used to wearing. But even their size chart online, the measurements they give for their sizes are bigger than the norm.

Their XL size in panties is meant to fit a US 16 and L a size US 14. I believe "plus size" starts from 12 and on. VS also runs bigger and stretchy compared to brands at a similar price range. VS generally puts their models and mannequins in their XS which runs like a regular S in other brands.

This. She is too famous and branded now to be contracted as an Angel. Doesn't she have her own lingerie line that is doing really well anyway?

They stock up to 40DDD. 40 back size is plus size. Just sayin.

Girls with HF cred tend to have very little curves and VS seems to want girls with HF cred and super toned. The fake boobs helps them look more commercial. It's rare to find a girl with bodies like the original Angels these days at any of the top agencies. I guess agencies are to blame for not recruiting other body types.

I wonder if she even realizes what we see. She is so young. So many young girls are so impressionable and go for these things without knowing what real and not real looks like! I mean, can you imagine, so many young people think Bella Hadid is plastic surgery-free? Bras and wires must be very uncomfortable for Romee at this point. That picture is painful to look at.

In theory, this works for many other lifestyle brands and this is what they teach in school. But it doesn't work for lingerie since lingerie is so closely linked to the maturity of the body/womanhood and lingerie also serves a functional purpose. VS believed in this theory with Pink but it is not translating to sales with mainline. Mainline sales are on a steep and steady decline. This is why they had to shut down so many categories. Younger girls these days want authenticity and that's why Aerie is crushing VS in the teen demographic. Yet, Aerie isn't making a dent with adult women.

I rewatched 2001-2014 in the past few days. The concert formula and easygoing walks with finger pointing and dancing really took off after Gisele left! It's basically the staple from 2010 and forward. Gisele has a killer, strong, fluid walk and so does every single girl before 2010. Carmen Kass was one of their HF girls but she has boobies and a round butt! Those shows are so much sexier and cohesive. The whole "It's my time to shine! I'm going to walk alongside this superfamous musician like I'm walking to the bathroom at a club and then come up with a nifty pose at the end of the runway" reminds me of those amateur fashion shows in small town malls. The girls from the Gisele era are more like "I'm a hot b**** and you want what I'm wearing."

Candice would be an amazing candidate for the Asian market along with Elsa and Jo. Ale is way too severe in the face and her body proportions have had poor reception in Asia. Taylor wouldn't do so well with the Asian crowd...the eyebrows will be too much. She has a babyface but there's also a very strong angularity or severity that comes out in pictures. Miranda would be amazing too if she was still with VS..

The 18-49 demographic is crucial because they have the most disposable income and ability to make multiple purchases over and over again. A 16 year old most likely doesn't have a career allowing the type of income that allows frequent shopping. I would even push it as far as 30-45 is a crucial demographic considering many 18-29s are underemployed or unemployed these days.

Haters of Jo are just angry and jealous that their favorites don't have as nice of a body as Jo. They pledged to the wrong girl.

Lucky you. I've seen and heard a lot of negative comments about Candice over the internet, in stores etc... Candice is a million times better than any of the "new angels" plus she has a very humble and compassionate personality which is why I like her. Something you don't see in younger girls today because of social media.

People outside of the fashion world complain that Candice's boobs are too small and she's too skinny and she doesn't have a butt like pictures make it seem (their words, not mine). Her agency and VS have promoted her through papp pictures and that's when everyone can see what she really looks like in a bikini. The reactions are not good and people then say that VS uses too many "tricks" to make their models look like bombshells when they just look like "adolescent boys" or "flat as a board on both side" (again, their words, not mine, Candice fan here). People use these kinds of words to talk about all the VS models nowadays but don't know their names. The only exception is that everyone knows Adriana's name and she has T&A. They need to do something totally out of the box. Like use a plus size model. That would get a lot of positive attention. But from now on, VS needs to focus on going back to their heritage of curvy girls not sporty fashion West Coast teen girls.

There are definitely top-ish models out there who have the bombshell look for VS but they don't have HF or insta relevance. Therefore, their agencies don't push them far enough! There are so many girls who are doing campaigns for the European lingerie brand who could be the next Heidi etc but their agencies don't push them. VS made Heidi, Adriana etc. They need to find those unknown bombshell girls and turn them into stars. Plus, everyone loves an underdog story. The general public would love to root on a girl who is too curvy for HF but not commercial enough for SI and finally VS saves them. Female pop icons don't really wear VS these days because the marketing is too kid like/Forever 21 (and why not get that stuff at Forever 21 if their markup is lower anyway). Beyonce is always seen wearing La Perla, Agent Provocateur...nice stuff. VS has lost that allure for women which is why sales are down but other companies are getting better.

Daria wasn't into the idea of doing VS.

She has a beautiful face. But there are other things that you can't change or improve. Given the state of VS sales declines, she doesn't move product Daria also turned down VS because of her beliefs on objectification of women.

She is great for Lancome. But she is not a lingerie model period. I notice when multiple girls are wearing the same products. It looks weird on Taylor's proportions.