The "What Are You Thinking About Right Now?" PIP

[Matt!]

What the actual f.

 

Trump has refused to invoke the act because big business doesn’t want him to. “The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the heads of major corporations have lobbied the administration against using the act,” the Times reports. “They say the move could prove counterproductive, imposing red tape on companies precisely when they need flexibility to deal with closed borders and shuttered factories.” 

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/defense-production-act-coronavirus-trump-respirators-masks-ventilators.html

 

 

[victoriassecret_aut]

How are you staying positive during this time? I live with my family in isolation so that's good and even though I have stuff to do and help people remotely I feel worse and worse every day.

[Enrico_sw]

3 hours ago, Stormbringer said:

 

Ah, conservative propaganda taking advantage of the current crisis...

Climate change is far from being a “false god” btw.  We just happen to be facing a currently much more pressing and immediate issue. 

 

Climate change is real. It is a serious scientific topic. Unfortunately, a lot of far left actors/journalists discredit this topic by saying a lot of BS, like Idris Elba, a really good actor, but who should keep his mouth shut about science. He says Covid is a punishment from Mother Earth (see link). Jennifer Lawrence said pretty stupid things like these too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/coronavirus-idris-elba-oprah-interview-watch-test-sabrina-dhowre-positive-a9416606.html

 

Journalists say many dumb things about the climate too. They really view it as a cult. How do you want people to take things seriously after that? That doesn't mean this subject isn't real and serious. It just means that only rational people should talk about it.

 

Also, feminism, wokeness and open borders are cults. Open borders helped the virus spread (that's a fact).

[jkjk]

11 minutes ago, victoriassecret_aut said:

How are you staying positive during this time?

 

I'm not sure I am staying positive. As long as I don't become too negative, I feel like I'm doing a good job.  

[victoriassecret_aut]

Just now, jkjk said:

 

I'm not sure I am staying positive. As long as I don't become too negative, I feel like I'm doing a good job.  

That is a good tip. I know i need to work on it constantly.

[Enrico_sw]

4 hours ago, jkjk said:

So, some politicians in different countries think the precautions to prevent the spread of the virus aren't worth it because of the damage to the economy. Maybe I'm dumb (always a possibility), but this would be the sequence of events with no precautions:

 

- a lot more people get sick

- a lot more people die

- people get really scared and don't leave their homes anyway

- the damage to the economy still happens, and is maybe worse

 

Do these politicians not understand this or not care?

 

It depends on the country.

 

What you say is true for countries like France, Italy and the US, because we don't have the means to test a lot of people.

 

Apparently, in South Korea, they have a lot of tests, so they can do systemic testing and isolate infected people only. If we had known about the seriousness of the virus before (if China hadn't hidden data back in Nov/Dec 2019 ), maybe we could've prepared a testing phase and only isolate fractions of the population.

 

Also, countries who closed their borders early (like Singapore) apprently managed to contain the cases.

 

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Anyway, you're right, if people the whole population is infected, it's VERY bad for the economy. The case fatality rate is 2% and in a stress scenario (where everybody is infected), 2% is HUGE (not to mention the blow to morale)   So, isolation was detinitely the right move (at least where I live, because we are at stage 3).

[Stormbringer]

14 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

Climate change is real. It is a serious scientific topic.

 

This is the point.

 

14 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Unfortunately, a lot of far left actors/journalists discredit this topic by saying a lot of BS, like Idris Elba, a really good actor, but who should keep his mouth shut about science. He says Covid is a punishment from Mother Earth (see link). Jennifer Lawrence said pretty stupid things like these too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/coronavirus-idris-elba-oprah-interview-watch-test-sabrina-dhowre-positive-a9416606.html

 

Journalists say many dumb things about the climate too. They really view it as a cult. How do you want people to take things seriously after that? That doesn't mean this subject isn't real and serious. It just means that only rational people should talk about it.

 

All of this, unfortunate and at times ridiculous as it might be, doesn't make it any less real.

 

14 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Open borders helped the virus spread (that's a fact).

 

I'm not so sure about this.

The virus didn't spread because of immigrants or people trying to enter a country to live there (which  is what the "Open borders" stuff is mostly about) but by people traveling either for tourism or business. Many times by people returning to their respective countries after a business or vacation trip.

[Enrico_sw]

17 minutes ago, victoriassecret_aut said:

How are you staying positive during this time? I live with my family in isolation so that's good and even though I have stuff to do and help people remotely I feel worse and worse every day.

 

Yep! I have a secret recipe to stay positive: I'm listenning to music everyday (just like the other days, but now it's from dawn to dusk )

 

I'm listenning to this track right now. It gives you a lot of energy.

 

[CandleVixen]

On 3/20/2020 at 4:41 PM, Enrico_sw said:

Probably one of the best scenes of a Sci-fi movie

 

 

The original singer:

 

it was a great scene, in an under appreciated movie. 

[Enrico_sw]

10 minutes ago, CandleVixen said:

it was a great scene, in an under appreciated movie. 

 

Such a great movie. The chemistry between Bruce Willis and Milla Jovovich is great.

 

I love the soundtrack too (a key criteria for me ). It's from a great guy called Eric Serra who worked on many movies from Luc Besson and who also made these beauties:

 

 

[CandleVixen]

5 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

I love the soundtrack too (a key criteria for me ). It's from a great guy called Eric Serra who worked on many movies from Luc Besson and who also made these beauties:

We had the soundtrack before, but I think it got lost in a move/comp upgrade. 
 

 

[Stromboli1]

3 hours ago, Stormbringer said:

Listing precisely those topics to go after fits very well a conservative agenda and to do it right now is to take advantage of the current crisis to do so...

 

A lot of moderate hold those views too......... besides the country is mostly center right.

 

3 hours ago, Stormbringer said:

Yeah, ok... call a 99%-100% scientific consensus a “religion”  

 

Still waiting on the ice age, flooded coastlines, overpopulation, and many other prophecies from that hokey religion.

[Stromboli1]

1 hour ago, Enrico_sw said:

Climate change is real. It is a serious scientific topic. Unfortunately, a lot of far left actors/journalists discredit this topic by saying a lot of BS, like Idris Elba, a really good actor, but who should keep his mouth shut about science. He says Covid is a punishment from Mother Earth (see link). Jennifer Lawrence said pretty stupid things like these too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/coronavirus-idris-elba-oprah-interview-watch-test-sabrina-dhowre-positive-a9416606.html

 

Journalists say many dumb things about the climate too. They really view it as a cult. How do you want people to take things seriously after that? That doesn't mean this subject isn't real and serious. It just means that only rational people should talk about it.

 

Also, feminism, wokeness and open borders are cults. Open borders helped the virus spread (that's a fact).

 

Another adherent to the climate change religion.

[Enrico_sw]

23 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

All of this, unfortunate and at times ridiculous as it might be, doesn't make it any less real.

 

Sure, it doesn't make it any less real. The awareness of this issue brought rational reactions, like the diversification of energy mixes, more renewables, more energy savings (which is also economically rational).

 

My concern is that it also brought many very negative behaviours:

- the climate change is the trojan horse of many fads (=lunacies)  from the far left, like: eating bugs, anti-natalist views, apocalyptical ideas, etc.

- virtue signalling in the social media (not just celebrities) whose point is just to say "I'm better than you" (which is harmful)

- it's used as a social class signal which deteriorates a much needed unity

- the promotion of anti-free speech views and censorship (which is VERY bad)

- peer pressure in certain field, which kills creativity (but I have to admit peer pressure always existed and it's a silent blight)

 

Anyway, I feel like I'm rambling on again

 

37 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

I'm not so sure about this.

The virus didn't spread because of immigrants or people trying to enter a country to live there (which  is what the "Open borders" stuff is mostly about) but by people traveling either for tourism or business. Many times by people returning to their respective countries after a business or vacation trip.

 

Countries who closed their borders (like Singapore) managed to contain the virus much better so far.

[Enrico_sw]

3 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

 

Another adherent to the climate change religion.

 

I don't adhere to cults, I just try to review facts, without giving in to the last zeitgeist fads. It's not that easy, considering how low the quality of the media is.

[Stormbringer]

Just now, Stromboli1 said:

Still waiting on the ice age, flooded coastlines, overpopulation, and many other prophecies from that hokey religion.

 

 

Ok. You've understood nothing...

Look for any serious scientist on the matter and the tons of data about it.

The serious ones though... not people ranting on Youtube.

 

Almost every year becomes the hottest in recorded history, almost every summer having an average higher temperature than the last; just this summer Antarctica peaked at a new record high temperature just to name a significant example. Every year winters become shorter. Less snow every winter. Worst draughts every time, more, and more devastating wildfires. Polar ice melting at accelerating rates... etc.

 

99%-100% of the scientific community has a consensus on this. People who studied for years and years to be prepared as a scientist and have dedicated most of their lives to study this with tons and tons of data. With every publication peer reviewed by other scientists equally or more prepared who will look for any little flaw on their methods... And yet there is consensus.

 

But sure... you know better because you haven't seen an "ice age"...

 

14 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

Another adherent to the climate change religion.

 

 

Denying the overwhelming scientific consensus sounds much more like a religion to me.

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confirmed/infected cases has doubled over the weekend- 

 

NY state has 50% of US infected with over 20,000 infected.  NYC has 12,000+ infected 

 

Bergen county, NJ has 609 infected.  The whole state has over 2,800 infected.

[Stormbringer]

19 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Sure, it doesn't make it any less real. The awareness of this issue brought rational reactions, like the diversification of energy mixes, more renewables, more energy savings (which is also economically rational).

 

My concern is that it also brought many very negative behaviours:

- the climate change is the trojan horse of many fads (=lunacies)  from the far left, like: eating bugs, anti-natalist views, apocalyptical ideas, etc.

- virtue signalling in the social media (not just celebrities) whose point is just to say "I'm better than you" (which is harmful)

- it's used as a social class signal which deteriorates a much needed unity

- the promotion of anti-free speech views and censorship (which is VERY bad)

- peer pressure in certain field, which kills creativity (but I have to admit peer pressure always existed and it's a silent blight)

 

Anyway, I feel like I'm rambling on again

 

Well yes, I basically agree on most of this.

 

20 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

- virtue signalling in the social media (not just celebrities) whose point is just to say "I'm better than you" (which is harmful)

This is probably the one that bothers me the most.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Countries who closed their borders (like Singapore) managed to contain the virus much better so far.

 

Yes, of course. But my point was that closed borders, as mentioned on that list above, is usually (and not on this particular situation) concerning immigration policies and the such, and that that wasn't the way the virus was spreading. In a normal situation you don't close your borders to every tourist or to people coming back from business or vacation which are the ones that have mostly spread the virus so far. Of course given the current situation a complete closing of borders was the necessary thing to do.
Here for example the controls at the airports just before the virus arrived and while there were still few cases, were laughable.

[Sarah.Adams]

11 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

 

Denying the overwhelming scientific consensus sounds much more like a religion to me.

 

"climate change" and "climate change religion" are 2 different things. Climate change is literally climate change. "Climate change religion" .... is a clan of people who made climate change a central theme of their life, they think they understand the phenomenon better than the rest of us and therefore have the moral authority to order us how to live our lives, how to consume, how to invest how to treat fossil fuel .... etc. Those fanatics are not scientists ...... the sooner we get rid of them the less harsh the climate change effects are going to be