12 minutes ago, modellight said:

This.

She is too famous and branded now to be contracted as an Angel. Doesn't she have her own lingerie line that is doing really well anyway?

 

Agreed. I can definitely see VS hiring her for commercial campaign and catalogue work but not walking the runway. Also they would LOVE the publicity, I personally think if they used her the fashion shows, they'd definitely get more viewers.

I agree with whoever said Ashley is becoming annoying, its like she cant stop saying she is a plus size woman here and there ok we get it, but at some point you have to start talking about yourself as AG the MODEL, without any other adjective cuz girl if you want inclusion then you should start from yourself and the way you name yourself.

I mean thanks for bring beautifulness to the body of a fuller girl (like me) and try to make it beautful infront of everybodies eyes, but there is a moment where you should stop with the names and just stand there and see how everybodies conception of a gorgeous hot woman change

17 minutes ago, everyboulevard said:

More than the bra size, there's their panties don't go above an XL and the sport pants don't go above a L. 

Their XL size in panties is meant to fit a US 16 and L a size US 14. I believe "plus size" starts from 12 and on.

VS also runs bigger and stretchy compared to brands at a similar price range. VS generally puts their models and mannequins in their XS which runs like a regular S in other brands.

34 minutes ago, modellight said:

They stock up to 40DDD. 40 back size is plus size. Just sayin.

They almost never have those sizes in store, and they definitely don't have that size range in most of their styles. I also find that they fit quite small in their panties and VSX bottoms. 

 

I wear a size 2 and find their XS panties uncomfortable at times so I can't believe their XL would fit a size 16 comfortably at all. Ditto on their VSX- I buy an XS in them and it's pretty equivalent to other brands,so I'm not sure where you're getting that they run bigger and stretchier. 

Also I'm all for size inclusion but com'mon Ashley...  She has her own lingerie line that took jabs at VS own marketing campaign (I'm no Angel) and then says "VS call me!! I'm right here!" 

Take it from someone who wears a 38DD, not all bras come in even that size. See: The Lightweight that runs up to a 36DD. I have two pairs of VSX tights in a large and they fit so much tighter than a same sized pair of the ultimate leggings from Pink. I can wear the XL panties just fine in some styles, others are a bit uncomfortable, and some in the L are fine. All depends on the product. 

2 minutes ago, toodarnhot said:

They almost never have those sizes in store, and they definitely don't have that size range in most of their styles. I also find that they fit quite small in their panties and VSX bottoms. 

 

I wear a size 2 and find their XS panties uncomfortable at times so I can't believe their XL would fit a size 16 comfortably at all. Ditto on their VSX- I buy an XS in them so I'm not sure where you're getting that they run bigger and stretchier. 

Really? I'm a big 2 to solid 4 and I can wear both the XS and S depending on what has sold out. The XS isn't uncomfortable at all.

I guess the difference here must be what other brands you are used to wearing. But even their size chart online, the measurements they give for their sizes are bigger than the norm.

GOSSIP: Gigi Hadid Caught Screaming At Bella’s Ex The Weeknd At VS After Party

http://hollywoodlife.com/pics/gigi-hadid-v-magazine-photoshoot-spring-issue-pics-2014/#!1/gigi-hadid-fighting-the-weeknd/

7 minutes ago, everyboulevard said:

Take it from someone who wears a 38DD, not all bras come in even that size. See: The Lightweight that runs up to a 36DD. I have two pairs of VSX tights in a large and they fit so much tighter than a same sized pair of the ultimate leggings from Pink. I can wear the XL panties just fine in some styles, others are a bit uncomfortable, and some in the L are fine. All depends on the product. 

I wear 32DDD in VS so I run into the same problem! But I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that some styles are not designed to give enough support past certain sizes. But then on the other hand, I have friends who wear 32A, 34A and 30C and they have really slim pickings. Some bras are just for different sizes and shapes.

Marisa Miller and Heidi Klum promoting a bra that went up to 38DD:

 

 

Tyra Banks promoting a bra that went up to 40DD:

 

 

So if VS made a point to launch again a full-coverage bra that goes up to (even) larger sizes, I could see them choosing Ashely to promote it. They don’t really have models like Tyra, Heidi and Marisa in their line-up anymore (models who have bigger breasts).

At the end of the day she has her own line so if she's willing to go against that and work for another brand that's great but it's risking losing profit on her own collection. So I don't think she will be working for VS. There's contracts and business that gets in the way of that.

 

Her bringing attention to it not being plus size is just another thing she's going after to continue to promote herself in that light. Which is fine, like I said I like her but it's getting annoying.

If VS want to stay a popular lingerie brand they need to start making bigger cup sizes (and smaller band sizes). More people are becoming enlightened about their actual bra size and goes to brands like Freya and Bravissimo. I have medium sized breasts and DD is almost too small for me.

On the subject of the Hadids and the Jenner:

Gigi Hadid belongs there, but Bella was a bit of a distraction (though I thought her walk was pretty good).

But Kendall Jenner more or less broke the rhythm whenever she appeared on the runway. Like, I went "What is that girl doing there?" and then "Oh right, It's Kendall."

Thanks for those videos @Sanni! I love how Heidi, Tyra and Marisa give their interviews! So professional and mature...we don't really see that these days.

They do a great job convincing me that they actually wear and love what they're selling. 

Today, we see so many pictures of the Angels not wearing bras in their streetstyle and red carpet. Some have even said in non-VS related interviews that they don't wear bras on a day to day basis because they don't need one. It kind of makes what they're selling seem futile. 

 

The problem is trends in fashion are continuously changing. Just a minute ago it was trendy to be healthy and fit which is what VS promote and now it's trendy to be curvy and own your body. I'm a guy and big, my sisters are curvy girls. But let's face it we aren't healthy. It's fine catering to markets that are for people who are on the bigger side. But I don't think VS have to do that just because there's this whole PC thing happening now with curvier girls. Since when is it bad for someone to be skinny? Because that seems to be the direction things are going in.

 

VS have been all about curvy girls. When they were first hitting it big in the late 90s early 00s. VS were the brand that had curvier more full figured women. And they promoted that. They were far ahead in that compared to fashion magazines and other brands at that point who it was all about anorexic thin models and pretty much walking coat hangers. VS were praised and also hated for the fact that they were about that kind of girl.

 

They changed with the industry and started to go all about health and fitness. That's what they're focus in promotion now. All about that gorgeous, healthy girl. It's not necessarily about being curvy anymore. But they're being hated on for that now even though they were about that before.

6 minutes ago, BeautifulNightmare said:

If VS want to stay a popular lingerie brand they need to start making bigger cup sizes (and smaller band sizes). More people are becoming enlightened about their actual bra size and goes to brands like Freya and Bravissimo. I have medium sized breasts and DD is almost too small for me.

This is true. The VS Angels have become so tiny in the torso and cup size that the sample size bras they wear don't even fit without tape and chicken filets. VS doesn't make their actual bra size....that's probably why they don't wear them in real life!

4 minutes ago, Kevork89 said:

The problem is trends in fashion are continuously changing. Just a minute ago it was trendy to be healthy and fit which is what VS promote and now it's trendy to be curvy and own your body. I'm a guy and big, my sisters are curvy girls. But let's face it we aren't healthy. It's fine catering to markets that are for people who are on the bigger side. But I don't think VS have to do that just because there's this whole PC thing happening now with curvier girls. Since when is it bad for someone to be skinny? Because that seems to be the direction things are going in.

 

VS have been all about curvy girls. When they were first hitting it big in the late 90s early 00s. VS were the brand that had curvier more full figured women. And they promoted that. They were far ahead in that compared to fashion magazines and other brands at that point who it was all about anorexic thin models and pretty much walking coat hangers. VS were praised and also hated for the fact that they were about that kind of girl.

 

They changed with the industry and started to go all about health and fitness. That's what they're focus in promotion now. All about that gorgeous, healthy girl. It's not necessarily about being curvy anymore. But they're being hated on for that now even though they were about that before.

I don't think curvy necessarily equates with big. The VS models in the 90's and early 00's were still sample size and athletic but they had more boob, butt and waist to hip ratio. They had a different shape.

 

I wouldn't put any of the girls today as healthier looking or more fit than say girls like Heidi and Marisa Miller who were curvy and athletic.

Plus, intensifying a workout for a short period of time with a cutting diet and then binge eating after the show isn't exactly healthy and unfortunately, some girls do that. 

5 minutes ago, modellight said:

I don't think curvy necessarily equates with big. The VS models in the 90's and early 00's were still sample size and athletic but they had more boob, butt and waist to hip ratio. They had a different shape.

 

I wouldn't put any of the girls today as healthier looking or more fit than say girls like Heidi and Marisa Miller who were curvy and athletic.

Plus, intensifying a workout for a short period of time with a cutting diet and then binge eating after the show isn't exactly healthy and unfortunately, some girls do that. 

Exactly they were still skinny but they were different compared to the girls you would see in ads and fashion shows. So curvier girls related to them more, men loved them more etc. But the trend right now is that healthy look for men and women. Whether or not they do it healthy way that's up to the models but i'm talking about whats the in trend now and its all about that athletic fit look.

17 minutes ago, Kevork89 said:

Exactly they were still skinny but they were different compared to the girls you would see in ads and fashion shows. So curvier girls related to them more, men loved them more etc. But the trend right now is that healthy look for men and women. Whether or not they do it healthy way that's up to the models but i'm talking about whats the in trend now and it was all about that athletic fit look.

Those girls from the 90's and 00's were still doing other fashion shows.

Athletic and fit does not have to mean lack of breasts, hips, butts and waists. It also definitely doesn't mean skinny. Big people, skinny people, curvy people can be healthy or unhealthy. Many elite female athletes are not your definition of "skinny." Simona Halep, Serena Williams, Misty Copeland to name a few. Marisa Miller looks far more athletic and stronger than Stella, Taylor, Lily, Behati and Romee for example. 

I think you're missing my point but whatever.