Awesome work, thanks Don!

^ +1...thank you very much donbot, it is really appreciated.  You sir, are the man 

Just been catching up. Well, the Emrata discussion has gone in some fun directions. I respect y'all's opinions and on other threads have joined in a lot more about various models on which we sometimes agree and sometimes disagree. I go hot and cold with Emily R. There are moments when her lips distract me; there are others when I think she's got a great face. There are moments when that figure BLOWS MY MIND . There are others when I wonder what the photographer, stylist, and model were thinking . I've used the term fetishy with her before, as I think there are times when her shoots can seem more peep show oriented than anything else. And the last four pages or so of the thread prove that even on the same shoot, she can hit different viewers as hot or as uncomfortable at the same time. What that means is she'll have fans and she'll have detractors, and what that means for her is MORE JOBS. The more we talk about her, the more work she'll get. Plain and simple.

If that is the measure of what will get models a job, can we agree to stop talking about Chrissy?

Blurred lines was blasting on the “View” numerous times.  If Barbara Walters, Whoopi and company were cool with it, I just don’t see your point.  Robin Thicke was the king of summer.  If a sect of hardcore feminist stood in opposition to the video, than that can hardly be seen as popular opinion.  However, millions of records sold, award nominations, and countess appearances can.

 

I think female nudity is bad?  Noooooo, not even close.  My point of contention is simply that Emily R has the “assets” to be more than what she has been portrayed.  SI should be a huge step up, but in this case I think they dropped the ball.  As I said, a past/present of nudity should not limit her potential for growth.  If that were the case, Uma Thurman and Helen Mirren (just to name a couple) should have been done long ago, and never ascended to stardom.       

 

Barbara Walters and Whoopi are the authorities on modern feminism now?

 

Blurred Lines' video was incredibly sexist. Anything that objectifies women to that extent is.

Blurred Lines' video was incredibly sexy

 

Just been catching up. Well, the Emrata discussion has gone in some fun directions. I respect y'all's opinions and on other threads have joined in a lot more about various models on which we sometimes agree and sometimes disagree. I go hot and cold with Emily R. There are moments when her lips distract me; there are others when I think she's got a great face. There are moments when that figure BLOWS MY MIND . There are others when I wonder what the photographer, stylist, and model were thinking . I've used the term fetishy with her before, as I think there are times when her shoots can seem more peep show oriented than anything else. And the last four pages or so of the thread prove that even on the same shoot, she can hit different viewers as hot or as uncomfortable at the same time. What that means is she'll have fans and she'll have detractors, and what that means for her is MORE JOBS. The more we talk about her, the more work she'll get. Plain and simple.

If that is the measure of what will get models a job, can we agree to stop talking about Chrissy?

No. We will talk about Chrissy till the end of the earth. Like in Texas we do things bigger in Bz. mind you Texas can't win a football game to save itself and Chrissy can't stop looking/acting a fool

 

 

Blurred Lines' video was incredibly sexy

 

ftfy

 

Thanks for the amazing work donbot

 

Blurred lines was blasting on the “View” numerous times.  If Barbara Walters, Whoopi and company were cool with it, I just don’t see your point.  Robin Thicke was the king of summer.  If a sect of hardcore feminist stood in opposition to the video, than that can hardly be seen as popular opinion.  However, millions of records sold, award nominations, and countess appearances can.

 

I think female nudity is bad?  Noooooo, not even close.  My point of contention is simply that Emily R has the “assets” to be more than what she has been portrayed.  SI should be a huge step up, but in this case I think they dropped the ball.  As I said, a past/present of nudity should not limit her potential for growth.  If that were the case, Uma Thurman and Helen Mirren (just to name a couple) should have been done long ago, and never ascended to stardom.       

 

Barbara Walters and Whoopi are the authorities on modern feminism now?

 

Blurred Lines' video was incredibly sexist. Anything that objectifies women to that extent is.

 

 

 

Blurred Lines' video was incredibly sexy

 

ftfy

 

 

 

Blurred Lines as a song makes me extremely uncomfortable. The way they repeatedly refer to women as "bitch(es)", the whole "I know you want it" chant, what the whole "hat(ing) these blurred lines" subtext means and the complete awkwardness of the beat.

The song got big not because it was good but because it was controversial. It got plenty of airplay on urban stations where music is about getting hoes 90% of the time. The video objectified half-naked women while having fully dressed men ariund them. Even Robin Thicke himself admitted the whole point of it was to act like a sleeze.

Emily R got a whole lot of money thanks to getting naked in a video? Good for her, so did Farrah Abraham. But let's not act like the song or the video were anywhere near ok.

Also, the View has Jenny McCarthy on it. Case closed.

[interesting read for the topic at hand]

 

Tex I don't know why you don't see it, but it's kinda sad you don't... and the fact the Emrat took money to be part of this video is horrible at best. Money and fame before self worth and pride right?

 

From the Mouths of Rapists: The Lyrics of Robin Thicke’s Blurred Lines

Trigger warning: Graphic descriptions of sexual assault.  Note: The opinions expressed in this post belong to Sezin Koehler alone and should not be attributed to anyone involved with Project Unbreakable.

Robin Thicke’s summer hit Blurred Lines addresses what he considers to be sounds like a grey area between consensual sex and assault. The images in this post place the song into a real-life context.  They are from Project Unbreakable, an online photo essay exhibit, and feature images of women and men holding signs with sentences that their rapist said before, during, or after their assault.   Let’s begin.

    I know you want it.

Thicke sings “I know you want it,” a phrase that many sexual assault survivors report their rapists saying to justify their actions, as demonstrated over and over in the Project Unbreakable testimonials.

 
 
Thicke further sings “You’re a good girl,” suggesting that a good girl won’t show her reciprocal desire (if it exists). This becomes further proof in his mind that she wants sex: for good girls, silence is consent and “no” really means “yes.”
 
You’re a good girl.

 

 
Calling an adult a “good girl” in this context resonates with the the virgin/whore dichotomy. The implication in Blurred Lines is that because the woman is not responding to a man’s sexual advances, which of course are irresistible, she’s hiding her true sexual desire under a facade of disinterest. Thicke is singing about forcing a woman to perform both the good girl and bad girl roles in order to satisfy the man’s desires.

 

Thicke and company, as all-knowing patriarchs, will give her what he knows she wants (sex), even though she’s not actively consenting, and she may well be rejecting the man outright.


Do it like it hurt, do it like it hurt, what you don’t like work?

This lyric suggests that women are supposed to enjoy pain during sex or that pain is part of sex:

 

The woman’s desires play no part in this scenario – except insofar as he projects whatever he pleases onto her — another parallel to the act of rape: sexual assault is generally not about sex, but rather about a physical and emotional demonstration of power.

 

The way you grab me.
Must wanna get nasty.

 

This is victim-blaming.  Everybody knows that if a woman dances with a man it means she wants to sleep with him, right? And if she wears a short skirt or tight dress she’s asking for it, right? And if she even smiles at him it means she wants it, right?  Wrong.  A dance, an outfit, a smile — sexy or not — does not indicate consent.  This idea, though, is pervasive and believed by rapists.

 

 

 

And women, according to Blurred Lines, want to be treated badly.

 

Nothing like your last guy, he too square for you.
He don’t smack your ass and pull your hair like that.

 

In this misogynistic fantasy, a woman doesn’t want a “square” who’ll treat her like a human being and with respect. She would rather be degraded and abused for a man’s gratification and amusement, like the women who dance around half naked humping dead animals in the music video.

 

 

The pièce de résistance of the non-censored version of Blurred Lines is this lyric:

 

I’ll give you something to tear your ass in two.

 

What better way to show a woman who’s in charge than violent, non-consensual sodomy?

 

 

Ultimately, Robin Thicke’s rape anthem is about male desire and male dominance over a woman’s personal sexual agency. The rigid definition of masculinity makes the man unable to accept the idea that sometimes his advances are not welcome. Thus, instead of treating a woman like a human being and respecting her subjectivity, she’s relegated to the role of living sex doll whose existence is naught but for the pleasure of a man.

 

 

In Melinda Hugh’s Lame Lines parody of Thicke’s song she sings, “You think I want it/ I really don’t want it/ Please get off it.”  The Law Revue Girls “Defined Lines” response to Blurred Lines notes, “Yeah we don’t want it/ It’s chauvinistic/ You’re such a bigot.”  Rosalind Peters says in her one-woman retort, “Let’s clear up something mate/ I’m here to have fun/ I’m not here to get raped.”

There are no “blurred lines.” There is only one line: consent.

And the absence of consent is a crime.

 

 

 

Blurred Lines' video was incredibly sexy

 

ftfy

 

 

 

^^ Pretty, the topic is indeed an interesting one and has also gotten out of hand a bit.  To be clear, I love and respect women to the highest degree, but I am also highly supportive of women’s rights regarding sexuality and their freedom to make use of it, or not.  I don’t judge one way or the other.  I respect exotic dancers and high powered female attorneys alike.  Each is doing a job in there respective sphere.

 

I understand that blurred lines is viewed through two different lenses.  One lense consist of your view, which is shared by pheno and a host of others, that the video was utterly repugnant and a blatant attack on women.  I completely respect this point of view and the protection of women’s rights in general.

 

However, there the other lense, in which the song/video went 6x platinum in the US alone and helped to solidify Robin Thicke and his  cohorts into international stars.  This view is shared by many women of all ages/ethnicity/sizes that I have seen at sporting events, shopping malls, clubs, etc, dancing away.  

 

I just got through re-watching Candice Swanepoel’s appearance on the Ellen show.  As guest DJ she played and danced to blurred lines, along with Ellen and the predominately female audience.  Candice is probably my favorite women of all time and I support the hell out of Ellen.  If these two accomplished women see it differently than you, what does it say about them?  I just refuse to condemn Emily R.  I will not do it.  She deserves every chance to advance.

Where can I vote for roty?

The magazine would have been perfect if they would bring back Michelle Vawer, Alyssa Miller, Julie Ordon & Esti Ginzburg. & make Candice Boucher rookie. I also think barbara Palvin & Catalina Otalvaro has potencial to be rookies too. I would luv to see Michelle, Candice, & Alyssa together in a cover that would be best cover in history,

^^ Pretty, the topic is indeed an interesting one and has also gotten out of hand a bit.  To be clear, I love and respect women to the highest degree, but I am also highly supportive of women’s rights regarding sexuality and their freedom to make use of it, or not.  I don’t judge one way or the other.  I respect exotic dancers and high powered female attorneys alike.  Each is doing a job in there respective sphere.

 

I understand that blurred lines is viewed through two different lenses.  One lense consist of your view, which is shared by pheno and a host of others, that the video was utterly repugnant and a blatant attack on women.  I completely respect this point of view and the protection of women’s rights in general.

 

However, there the other lense, in which the song/video went 6x platinum in the US alone and helped to solidify Robin Thicke and his  cohorts into international stars.  This view is shared by many women of all ages/ethnicity/sizes that I have seen at sporting events, shopping malls, clubs, etc, dancing away.  

 

I just got through re-watching Candice Swanepoel’s appearance on the Ellen show.  As guest DJ she played and danced to blurred lines, along with Ellen and the predominately female audience.  Candice is probably my favorite women of all time and I support the hell out of Ellen.  If these two accomplished women see it differently than you, what does it say about them?  I just refuse to condemn Emily R.  I will not do it.  She deserves every chance to advance.

Where can I vote for roty?

The magazine would have been perfect if they would bring back Michelle Vawer, Alyssa Miller, Julie Ordon & Esti Ginzburg. & make Candice Boucher rookie. I also think barbara Palvin & Catalina Otalvaro has potencial to be rookies too. I would luv to see Michelle, Candice, & Alyssa together in a cover that would be best cover in history,

Where can I vote for roty?

The magazine would have been perfect if they would bring back Michelle Vawer, Alyssa Miller, Julie Ordon & Esti Ginzburg. & make Candice Boucher rookie. I also think barbara Palvin & Catalina Otalvaro has potencial to be rookies too. I would luv to see Michelle, Candice, & Alyssa together in a cover that would be best cover in history,

http://swimsuit.si.com/swimsuit/2014-rookie-of-the-year/#models

 

^^ Pretty, the topic is indeed an interesting one and has also gotten out of hand a bit.  To be clear, I love and respect women to the highest degree, but I am also highly supportive of women’s rights regarding sexuality and their freedom to make use of it, or not.  I don’t judge one way or the other.  I respect exotic dancers and high powered female attorneys alike.  Each is doing a job in there respective sphere.

 

I understand that blurred lines is viewed through two different lenses.  One lense consist of your view, which is shared by pheno and a host of others, that the video was utterly repugnant and a blatant attack on women.  I completely respect this point of view and the protection of women’s rights in general.

 

However, there the other lense, in which the song/video went 6x platinum in the US alone and helped to solidify Robin Thicke and his  cohorts into international stars.  This view is shared by many women of all ages/ethnicity/sizes that I have seen at sporting events, shopping malls, clubs, etc, dancing away.  

 

I just got through re-watching Candice Swanepoel’s appearance on the Ellen show.  As guest DJ she played and danced to blurred lines, along with Ellen and the predominately female audience.  Candice is probably my favorite women of all time and I support the hell out of Ellen.  If these two accomplished women see it differently than you, what does it say about them?  I just refuse to condemn Emily R.  I will not do it.  She deserves every chance to advance.

It's nice to know that all you see is $$ and success, the underlying problems don't factor into your opinion..

That's cool, a lot of this new generation are like that. Give them a beat, and a catchy phrase and they're good to go, who cares if the music is sexist, derogatory or inflammatory. I mean look at rap. Everyone is just a b*tch, a h*e or a n*gger. Nothing wrong with that right?

I might even take Robin Thicke seriously if there wasn't the Miley Cyrus incident, and following that, him with his hand all over some other chick's ass, who was incidentally not his wife. Hey, it's cool. Your lens is pretty nifty, wonder how I can justify turning a blind eye on trash and thinking it's great. Would make the world so much less irritating.

 

This thread derailment needs to get cleaned up.  Talk about this in pms    :voodoo: