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On 4/2/2020 at 11:56 AM, hillstreet said:

I said to someone on here not too long ago that I thought it was a mistake to bring the "nepo" girls into the VS show. Yes, they brought attention to the show, but it was at the expense of VS's own models. They should have been given that platform but instead they got overshadowed in the media coverage. So it's no surprise they aren't as big stars as previous Angels were.

 

This is (partly) why I say the concept of the angels is outdated. Being an angel is no longer the sole marker of success and influence in the modeling industry like it was in Gisele's heyday- save for Naomi. Now it's about being the son or daughter of a celebrity (i.e. nepo-model), being the best friend of a celebrity (i.e. Karlie, Lily) or having a shit ton of social media followers (i.e. influencer). Hence, being an "Angel" isn't as esteemed or prominent in this new generation. Hence, it's outdated.

 

I'm not saying I dislike the angels, though. I've loved many of them over the years. It's just like someone else said, there are no more true stars in the angel lineup. Adriana was the last one. But that's for VS to deal with lol.

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On 4/2/2020 at 9:50 AM, Clauds said:

 

THIS.

 

Had the 2015 show focused on the 11 new Angels and not in Gigi and Kendull (and later on Bella) and we'd have a completely different story. Remember when in 2008 Candice went from being a nobody to being THE girl? It was because gave three damn good outfits, screentime and she was being promoted hard all over the VS website with an even harder push after the show that led to the status as the new cool bitch in town. By 2009 VS clearly established Candice and Rosie as the new leads, the future of the brand. Meanwhile by 2016 VS had established their new Angels as a the B-List playing second to the "nepo" crew.

 

100% to me even the last recognizable Angel group to me was Candice, Behati, Rosie, Miranda, and Doutzen.  Those were girls that VS made into stars.  And I wish Rosie and Miranda had stayed a bit longer to really cement that.  I feel like Emanuela de Paula also would have been a fantastic addition with those girls, and that would have been the clear successors to usher in the new decade as the top angels as Adriana/Ale/Heidi/Tyra/Gisele had done before.  

 

I feel like the VS executives were dumbstruck that Rosie and Miranda left as soon as they did and that pushed them to hold onto Ale and Adriana a bit longer for  that superstar status.  But no idea why they never developed Doutzen as much as Candice.  I'm guessing because Doutzen never had as restricted a contract and wanted to do more things besides VS, but to me these girls were the last recognizable and meaningful angel faces.  

 

The angel brand started being watered down when they added Izabel and Selita who became angels right away without any VS work, and Marisa (who was great at catalog but had no place in the show).  Then they went and hired Erin H, Chanel, Lindsay Ellingson, and Karlie who were all fantastic in HF, but again not really the VS type.  They just didn't really live up to the title, and by the time Romee/Stella/Martha/Elsa were being added I could barely tell any of them apart.  Even if I liked Taylor and Sara, I just wasn't that invested in them as angels because there was no point to being an angel.  No 3 outfits, wings, segment openings.   

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9 hours ago, Marsnoop said:

 

100% to me even the last recognizable Angel group to me was Candice, Behati, Rosie, Miranda, and Doutzen.  Those were girls that VS made into stars.  And I wish Rosie and Miranda had stayed a bit longer to really cement that.  I feel like Emanuela de Paula also would have been a fantastic addition with those girls, and that would have been the clear successors to usher in the new decade as the top angels as Adriana/Ale/Heidi/Tyra/Gisele had done before.  

 

I feel like the VS executives were dumbstruck that Rosie and Miranda left as soon as they did and that pushed them to hold onto Ale and Adriana a bit longer for  that superstar status.  But no idea why they never developed Doutzen as much as Candice.  I'm guessing because Doutzen never had as restricted a contract and wanted to do more things besides VS, but to me these girls were the last recognizable and meaningful angel faces.  

 

The angel brand started being watered down when they added Izabel and Selita who became angels right away without any VS work, and Marisa (who was great at catalog but had no place in the show).  Then they went and hired Erin H, Chanel, Lindsay Ellingson, and Karlie who were all fantastic in HF, but again not really the VS type.  They just didn't really live up to the title, and by the time Romee/Stella/Martha/Elsa were being added I could barely tell any of them apart.  Even if I liked Taylor and Sara, I just wasn't that invested in them as angels because there was no point to being an angel.  No 3 outfits, wings, segment openings.   

 

I'm forever mad that Doutzen never got a fantasy bra. Idk if it was because of her looser brand commitments or what, but she was one of the best and most popular models they ever had. VS owes her a lot.

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18 hours ago, Marsnoop said:

 

100% to me even the last recognizable Angel group to me was Candice, Behati, Rosie, Miranda, and Doutzen.  Those were girls that VS made into stars.  And I wish Rosie and Miranda had stayed a bit longer to really cement that.  I feel like Emanuela de Paula also would have been a fantastic addition with those girls, and that would have been the clear successors to usher in the new decade as the top angels as Adriana/Ale/Heidi/Tyra/Gisele had done before.  

 

I agree with everything you said, but especially this part. Those girls are also my favorite group of Angels. 

 

9 hours ago, GiseleQueenBee said:

 

I'm forever mad that Doutzen never got a fantasy bra. Idk if it was because of her looser brand commitments or what, but she was one of the best and most popular models they ever had. VS owes her a lot.

Doutzen definitely deserved one! I always liked her work with VS even if sometimes her abs were too toned. I wish she had gotten more special treatment. I'll never forget the ugly poodle outfit she got in the VSFS 2012 poor girl

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I like Doutzen a lot She was gorgeous I was bum when she never got the FB, VS end up focusing way too much on Candice. and lost opportunity with Doutzen and Miranda in making there brand more popular. I really miss the previous angels. 

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On 4/5/2020 at 11:32 PM, ThousandsFantasies said:

I like Doutzen a lot She was gorgeous I was bum when she never got the FB, VS end up focusing way too much on Candice. and lost opportunity with Doutzen and Miranda in making there brand more popular. I really miss the previous angels. 

Even though Candice is my favorite, I agree with you. Doutzen and Miranda should've had more of the spotlight and they should've waited a bit to give Candice the FB and all that. She is obviously an amazing model for VS, but I still don't like that they pushed her so much. I feel like people know Miranda way more than they know Candice, especially those who aren't into fashion. I feel like Candice never blew up into a household name like Miranda did, and to somewhat lesser of a degree as Doutzen did. 

Candice is still my favorite, but I think she got too much attention and the other models should've gotten some of it as well. 

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7 hours ago, bump said:

Even though Candice is my favorite, I agree with you. Doutzen and Miranda should've had more of the spotlight and they should've waited a bit to give Candice the FB and all that. She is obviously an amazing model for VS, but I still don't like that they pushed her so much. I feel like people know Miranda way more than they know Candice, especially those who aren't into fashion. I feel like Candice never blew up into a household name like Miranda did, and to somewhat lesser of a degree as Doutzen did. 

Candice is still my favorite, but I think she got too much attention and the other models should've gotten some of it as well. 

The thing about VS pushing Candice is that she never really had that superstar quality to begin with. And I really think it had to do with her personality. Sure she was a great model for VS, but She just didnt have that wow factor in her personality to really take it to the next level. To be honest she comes across as quite boring and dull- at least from the stuff i've seen with her. I think the only people who ever really pulled for Candice were VS fans/fashion insiders. I don't think the general public really took to her, which is why she didn't become a household name like Tyra or Heidi. I think ultimately she was just too shy and reserved to really stand out and make a name for herself outside of VS. Im not trying to discredit her though, She had an amazing career with VS and no one can take that away from her. But VS definitely should've focused on other models more instead of putting all their eggs into one basket with Candice.

 

I also agree with you about miranda, VS definitely missed a golden opportunity to promote her more because she's much more well-known and a mainstream figure. As for Doutzen I think VS just sadly pushed her to the side while they focused on Candice. It is what it is. At least Doutzen was prepared and made sure she had a good thing going for her in HF for when she left VS. She's still getting decent HF work today even as an older model.

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15 hours ago, GiseleQueenBee said:

The thing about VS pushing Candice is that she never really had that superstar quality to begin with. And I really think it had to do with her personality. Sure she was a great model for VS, but She just didnt have that wow factor in her personality to really take it to the next level. To be honest she comes across as quite boring and dull- at least from the stuff i've seen with her. I think the only people who ever really pulled for Candice were VS fans/fashion insiders. I don't think the general public really took to her, which is why she didn't become a household name like Tyra or Heidi. I think ultimately she was just too shy and reserved to really stand out and make a name for herself outside of VS. Im not trying to discredit her though, She had an amazing career with VS and no one can take that away from her. But VS definitely should've focused on other models more instead of putting all their eggs into one basket with Candice.

 

I also agree with you about miranda, VS definitely missed a golden opportunity to promote her more because she's much more well-known and a mainstream figure. As for Doutzen I think VS just sadly pushed her to the side while they focused on Candice. It is what it is. At least Doutzen was prepared and made sure she had a good thing going for her in HF for when she left VS. She's still getting decent HF work today even as an older model.

I agree, especially about Candice not having the personality to pull it off. She is my favorite as I've stated, but her personality isn't something exciting and crazy. I love her laid back persona, but that's not going to get you noticed as much as someone who is loud and fun like for example Adriana (even though I don't like her modeling work, I think she's fun). Doutzen seemed much more reserved and shy than some of the other Angels, so I don't think she would've ever been as big as Miranda, Adriana, Alessandra, etc, but Doutzen should've had way more stuff with VS. If I hadn't been interested in VS, I wouldn't know Candice or Doutzen, but I knew who Miranda, Adriana, and Alessandra are/were and I had been shopping at VS for years before I got interested in the VSFS and teh models. 

 

Random, but I always forget about Erin. When she first started, she was great, but she looked so bored and was so boring towards the end. I'm glad she left when she did, but if she had kept her spark, I think she could've done really well, too. 

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Sorry for the double post, but I can't find Erin H's thread...I searched on Bing and through the search feature here, but it said nothing matched. I swear I typed it correctly. Does anyone know what that is about or how I can find her thread? I just wanted to see if there had been any updates, and since I'm stuck inside, I wanted to go through her entire thread. I really enjoy doing that with models I like! It's relaxing lol

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On 4/9/2020 at 5:44 PM, bump said:

Sorry for the double post, but I can't find Erin H's thread...I searched on Bing and through the search feature here, but it said nothing matched. I swear I typed it correctly. Does anyone know what that is about or how I can find her thread? I just wanted to see if there had been any updates, and since I'm stuck inside, I wanted to go through her entire thread. I really enjoy doing that with models I like! It's relaxing lol

 

Humm not sure why you couldn't find it, it came up pretty easily to me both in the BZ search field and in google search :idk: It's here and it works just fine.

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20 hours ago, Clauds said:

 

Humm not sure why you couldn't find it, it came up pretty easily to me both in the BZ search field and in google search :idk: It's here and it works just fine.

Thank you! I have no idea what was going on. sometimes Behati's thread doesn't show up for me when I search on Bing, but then if I search on BZ, it works. I figured Erin's would at least show up on BZ. 

I really appreciate you taking the time to link me to it. I'm going to look at it now! 

 

 

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I know this thread hasn’t been as active as it used to but amid the COVID-19/Coronavirus times...I hope all of you and your loved ones are safe out there and I wish you guys the very best ❤️ 

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I can't tell you how much I agree with just about everything you all said.

On 4/4/2020 at 3:05 PM, Marsnoop said:

 

100% to me even the last recognizable Angel group to me was Candice, Behati, Rosie, Miranda, and Doutzen.  Those were girls that VS made into stars.  And I wish Rosie and Miranda had stayed a bit longer to really cement that.  I feel like Emanuela de Paula also would have been a fantastic addition with those girls, and that would have been the clear successors to usher in the new decade as the top angels as Adriana/Ale/Heidi/Tyra/Gisele had done before.  

 

I feel like the VS executives were dumbstruck that Rosie and Miranda left as soon as they did and that pushed them to hold onto Ale and Adriana a bit longer for  that superstar status.  But no idea why they never developed Doutzen as much as Candice.  I'm guessing because Doutzen never had as restricted a contract and wanted to do more things besides VS, but to me these girls were the last recognizable and meaningful angel faces.  

 

The angel brand started being watered down when they added Izabel and Selita who became angels right away without any VS work, and Marisa (who was great at catalog but had no place in the show).  Then they went and hired Erin H, Chanel, Lindsay Ellingson, and Karlie who were all fantastic in HF, but again not really the VS type.  They just didn't really live up to the title, and by the time Romee/Stella/Martha/Elsa were being added I could barely tell any of them apart.  Even if I liked Taylor and Sara, I just wasn't that invested in them as angels because there was no point to being an angel.  No 3 outfits, wings, segment openings.   

This whole post was nothing but facts but this right here is the one. I always felt that Emanuela would have made a great angel. The girl had everything, the personality/charisma, the walk, THE BODY, and she seemed to work well with the other angels/models and VS team (Russell James seemed to adore her). It's like VS swapped her out for Lais and I'm sorry but till this day I don't think Lais was the right choice out of the two. She is pretty with an amazing body and seems sweet but she tends to get overshadowed and fall in to the background a lot and even with her getting to open segments and wearing the fantasy bra she still seems to be the current least followed/popular angel out of her angel group (Taylor, Jas, Sara, Elsa, est).

 

On 4/7/2020 at 5:39 PM, GiseleQueenBee said:

The thing about VS pushing Candice is that she never really had that superstar quality to begin with. And I really think it had to do with her personality. Sure she was a great model for VS, but She just didnt have that wow factor in her personality to really take it to the next level. To be honest she comes across as quite boring and dull- at least from the stuff i've seen with her. I think the only people who ever really pulled for Candice were VS fans/fashion insiders. I don't think the general public really took to her, which is why she didn't become a household name like Tyra or Heidi. I think ultimately she was just too shy and reserved to really stand out and make a name for herself outside of VS. Im not trying to discredit her though, She had an amazing career with VS and no one can take that away from her. But VS definitely should've focused on other models more instead of putting all their eggs into one basket with Candice.

 

I also agree with you about miranda, VS definitely missed a golden opportunity to promote her more because she's much more well-known and a mainstream figure. As for Doutzen I think VS just sadly pushed her to the side while they focused on Candice. It is what it is. At least Doutzen was prepared and made sure she had a good thing going for her in HF for when she left VS. She's still getting decent HF work today even as an older model.

I always felt this way when it came to Candice. I'm not as big of a fan of hers as I was when she first started with VS but I will give credit were it is due, and say girl has/had one of THE most amazing body and she would always kill it when it came to the commercials and print work. Say what you want about her but she was one of VS best angel choices in recent years imo. Now what VS messed up with when it came to Candice was shoving her down everyone's throat as their new "It Girl" angel at that time. I get that VS has to have their lead angel(s) so to speak one that becomes the main face(s) of the brand (Gisele had her time, Adriana had hers) but it seemed like with Candice VS went into overdrive to push/promote at the expense of the other angels. Them pushing her so hard actually ended up somewhat backfiring and instead some people (such as myself) just ended tired of seeing her on everything VS. All the overexposure from VS did was just further exposed Candice's' unenthusiastic personality and prove no matter how much they pushed her that deep down she didn't really have what it took to fully step out of her comfort zone and become the HBIC  so to speak in VS like Tyra, Heidi, Gisele, and Adriana did. Funny thing is VS (Sophia) had talked down on Kate Upton but at the time she was the so called blonde bombshell of that era with bubbly/fun personalty that was able to catch the general public's attention, was very popular in commercial and gaining high fashion traction, was getting covers left and right, interviews, est.  Her career may not be anything spectacular now but Kate pretty much had become everything VS had wanted Candice to be at that time.

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Does anyone remember when was the last time the girls did anything for VS? I haven't seen anything from Candice, Martha or Sara in months, I wonder if they all left/were let go? Leomie, Barbara, Alexina, Grace, Taylor, Jasmine, Josephine, Romee, Stella and Lais have all shot recently/featured in the VS social media but the others have been completely MIA. That'd be four (those three plus Elsa) girls gone in a very short time. I don't follow Sara or Martha in social media but a quick search shows they've posted nothing from VS in a while either.

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The last thing Martha and Candice shot was the holiday campaign. Sara had new white wall photos released recently and before that Valentine’s was the last big campaign. Pretty sure everyone else has either shot a campaign or white wall just prior to everything shutting down for covid-19. 

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5 minutes ago, Clauds said:

Does anyone remember when was the last time the girls did anything for VS? I haven't seen anything from Candice, Martha or Sara in months, I wonder if they all left/were let go? Leomie, Barbara, Alexina, Grace, Taylor, Jasmine, Josephine, Romee, Stella and Lais have all shot recently/featured in the VS social media but the others have been completely MIA. That'd be four (those three plus Elsa) girls gone in a very short time. I don't follow Sara or Martha in social media but a quick search shows they've posted nothing from VS in a while either.

 

the last time martha posted something about vs was in december. sara shot white background before the quarantine (i guess) since those photos were released a few days ago. the last time candice and elsa were featured on vs' ig was in january... 🤔

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Now that I think about it, I can see them not doing the fashion show this year with this whole covid-19 situation going on. Isn't it around this time of year when they start doing all the planning for the show? I watched a Youtube video once where they said they start planning the show around April, then it takes several months to get all the outfits designed & made as well as get the venue set up, not to mention the countless meetings they have during this time to make sure everything is running smoothly. But if everyone's self-isolating right now and will be for at least another month or so how can they put together a show? Just a random thought.

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They can still plan all that via Zoom, it's not a big deal yet because the sketches and stuff can still be done but if this goes on through summer that is a different ball game, but still idk if they'll bring back the show at all tho, considering last year they didn't do anything to replace the show.

 

Aaand thanks for answering girls! It seems like at least Candice, Elsa and Martha are done and Sara seems to be safe, I don't remember her in the Valentine's Day at all but I hated the campaign anyway so there's that :ninja:

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On 4/11/2020 at 9:51 PM, Andrew Van Der Hypp said:

I know this thread hasn’t been as active as it used to but amid the COVID-19/Coronavirus times...I hope all of you and your loved ones are safe out there and I wish you guys the very best ❤️ 

Thank You Andrew ❤️ Much love to You! 

I'm back amid Quarantine, and I have been watching old shows and stuff. Wich angels/models were your fave in each show? I'm starting in 2005 just because.

 

-2005: Adri, KK and Gisele to me Stole the whole show,(Hot, Glam and lots of energy), even if tyra was retiring. Isabelli Fontana and Natasha Poly were Stunning.

-2006: Gisele, KK and Ale with the poker wingssss OMG stunning. Adri to me faded tho. Jess Stam, Hana Soukupova and Rosie were highlights.

-2007: Adri ,Miranda, Selita and Alessandra period. from the new girls,Rosie, Candice and Behati made an impression on me. (Also it was my First time watching the Show)

-2008: Randa, Candice, Adri & ale were fantastic. Behati, Erin and Abbey Lee, Gorg.

-2009: Ale and Doutzen, Miranda kinda too. Anna Jagodzinska and Rosie were stunn.

-2010: Adri, Ale, Behati, Candice, Rosie were the strongest in the angel line up. KK was gorg. and queen magda & the jablonskis appeared for the first time and i fell for them.

-2011: Pretty much all angels except Chanel were on Point. Constance Jablonsky, liu wen, Elsa and Lais excelled.

-2012: One of my Fave shows. All the angels were Stunning, their walks and their Pressence. Except Karlie. The jablonskis, Elsa, Liu and Joan cemented their regular status here for me.

-2013: Lindsay, Ale, Doutzen, Candice, Adri and Behati were highlights for me. Kally Gale looked gorg and Magda slayedddd.

-2014: Another Fave, All the angels were stunn, 3 looks for each and they workeddd. Constance, Liu, Kate Grigorieva and Shanina Were soooo Good too.

-2015: With the 200 new models in the angel lineuo, Only Adri, Behati, Ale, Candice Jac, Elsa and Romee Stood out for me. Lily D, Leomie, Josephine and Joan were pretty gorg.

I Didn't care a lot about the last 3 shows so, meh.

 

What about you guys?

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