This Alexina talk worries me. 

Hey if anyone has been keeping up with my comp. This round has been up a couple of days if you haven't voted, head on over and go for your life

 

5 hours ago, Momo_Chanel said:

Seeing Ed commenting on almost every new Instagram post of Alexina is kinda creepy 

 He probably wants to sign her is all..because he rarely does that for the angels he got now. But then again I do know he snoops in certain angels hashtags often. Is ed like married or something? I want to believe so bad that he is not a perv

Taylor really is a baby irina

 

 

 

Head to head rounds have now started in my comp. Simple just pick whichever girl you think is best.

 

 

 

On 12/25/2017 at 3:38 PM, JROCK177217 said:

 

 Guess I'll just have to cut one of my segments and add it to my 2019 version.  I'd love to see that plan, especially if there are edits, as your work is amazing!

Oooh is your 2018 version like a fantasy one or what you think will happen/or even think should happen? It's so hard with such a large lineup!

Oh man mine started super realistic (2 outfits each, following patterns, working out filming order, the usual suspects opening, realistic model casting only  etc etc etc).

But then I think the issue was after vsfs2017 it felt like what I considered a good strategy is now wayyyy too far removed from what VS's considers a good strategy so even under a strict framework my idea of a good move forward for the show just felt unrealistic. So I basically wound up with a show I was really dissapointed with and had zero motivation to work with wooo haha (like I said - bit of a cynical phase here.) I ended up  letting the edit version devolve into a reduced, cheesy, fun version that I'll coin a 'mid season' mini edit show to kinda supplement vsfs2017 haha

 

On 23/12/2017 at 2:53 PM, Sanni said:

@Kramer&Kramer Here:

 

DAY 23: Romee Strijd by Phil Poynter #LOVEADVENT2017

 

 

was she trying to be sexy? 

1 hour ago, VSDiaries said:

Oooh is your 2018 version like a fantasy one or what you think will happen/or even think should happen? It's so hard with such a large lineup!

Oh man mine started super realistic (2 outfits each, following patterns, working out filming order, the usual suspects opening, realistic model casting only  etc etc etc).

But then I think the issue was after vsfs2017 it felt like what I considered a good strategy is now wayyyy too far removed from what VS's considers a good strategy so even under a strict framework my idea of a good move forward for the show just felt unrealistic. So I basically wound up with a show I was really dissapointed with and had zero motivation to work with wooo haha (like I said - bit of a cynical phase here.) I ended up  letting the edit version devolve into a reduced, cheesy, fun version that I'll coin a 'mid season' mini edit show to kinda supplement vsfs2017 haha

 

 

I love your thought process, because I go through it basically every time I try and organize anything lmao. It's a mixture of both I guess. Originally, I had the likes of Iza and Shanina back, but I changed my mind and went for a more reasonable line-up, letting go of some of the girls I have grown attached to, but have seen VS drop. I've been able to justify not choosing some based off of how I thought they were treated and how their final show went, as well as how they have been following the end of their VS appearances. I've gone through several different casting processes, but haven't quite settled yet. 

 

With my most recent planning, I started with location, then selected a 10 person Angel line-up (based off of who I think should stay from the current one). I continued by choosing who got the FB/openings/closings/Swarovski Outfit from the Angels. I picked segments (six mainline and one PINK) based off of themes I thought could be original. I chose the opening and closing Angels for each and left room for non-Angels to fill and then separated the Angels so each had three looks and were distributed to different segments (i.e. Candice went in the first segment and filled segments four and six, which let me drop the other girls so no more than four Angels overpopulated a segment, except for two). After I sorted the Angels, I determined the show interludes from who was going to appear in each segment (ex. I gave Elsa the FB and centered a interlude around it prior to the appearance of it). Now, I'm trying to figure out who I want to fill the slots of the non-Angels and have compiled a list of over 300 girls and narrowed it down to around 50 possibles through different rounds of requirement. I'll probably rethink it and add another 100 girls and go back to square one, but hopefully I figure it all out. 

 

A lot of my thinking for 2018 centers around Lily announcing she's leaving and Ed actually dedicating a decent amount of attention to her, so it may be completely intangible based off of how little effort went into acknowledging Alessandra's exit. 

1 hour ago, Warhol said:

was she trying to be sexy? 

 

To be fair, this is one of the better ones. Madison Beer and Alexis Ren didn't really give her much competition in the first place... 

2 hours ago, Warhol said:

was she trying to be sexy? 

Well it looks better than most of the other Love videos this year.

Here are my best bets for 2018:

- Behati is never coming back

- Lily is done with VS

- Candice will walk the show but it will be her last

- Alexina Graham to be announced as the new Angel around spring

56 minutes ago, Clauds said:

Here are my best bets for 2018:

- Behati is never coming back

- Lily is done with VS

- Candice will walk the show but it will be her last

- Alexina Graham to be announced as the new Angel around spring

Those are too many Angels ending their contract

Not really, just Lily and Alessandra in 2017. At this point, anyone actually waiting for Behati to come back are just kidding themselves. In 2008 Izabel, Karolina and Selita all ended their contracts. In 2009 Heidi and Marisa also ended their contracts and there's other years where they lost/dropped more than model so it wouldn't be a first. 

I wanted to leave this here in case someone else finds it as curious as I do/worth discussing: 

I looked at the runway screentime each angel got this year and there was a massiveeee editing bias on Blanca Padilla in what was an otherwise uniform distribution of screentime. 
She received more runway screentime than half the Angels (including Adriana). 
She was the only model getting this preferential treatment (Also worth noting she was one of the first models onto that casting board.) 

I know the VS store is opening in Spain... but when you consider screentime/outfits, to me VS made Blanca a higher priority than most NA. 

 

(Side note: the other outlier was Taylor who was fairly marginalised in editing)

(And was also last in casting board order but I never worked that order out so I guess it means nothing.... ) 


 

4 minutes ago, VSDiaries said:

 

(Side note: the other outlier was Taylor who was fairly marginalised in editing)

(And was also last in casting board order but I never worked that order out so I guess it means nothing.... ) 

 

Could it be that they put the Angels in alphabetical order, which would put Taylor last?

10 hours ago, Warhol said:

was she trying to be sexy? 

 

Successfully I might add

2 minutes ago, Sanni said:

 

Could it be that they put the Angels in alphabetical order, which would put Taylor last?

alphabetical is a no. But all the same could just as easily be a meaningless completely random order

 

I do think it’s surprising that Taylor was one of the two Angels who didn’t get anything special (opening/closing/Swarovski outfit/Fantasy Bra) at the show. VS even planned to give a closing to an ex-Angel… I dunno if there was a problem with timing with Taylor but I believe no one pegged her as being one of the Angels who would inevitably be left out since there weren’t enough special spots for the number of Angels.

5 minutes ago, Sanni said:

I do think it’s surprising that Taylor was one of the two Angels who didn’t get anything special (opening/closing/Swarovski outfit/Fantasy Bra) at the show. VS even planned to give a closing to an ex-Angel… I dunno if there was a problem with timing with Taylor but I believe no one pegged her as being one of the Angels who would inevitably be left out since there weren’t enough special spots for the number of Angels.

My little headcannon is giving Kate the segment close was them sending her off  & I think it might've been her last show? Idk haha

It surprised me as well with Taylor because she's easily the NA with the highest profile... I guess in hindsight (save for Jo) they just flipped it from last year which I didn't expect. 

 

6 hours ago, Clauds said:

Here are my best bets for 2018:

- Behati is never coming back

- Lily is done with VS

- Candice will walk the show but it will be her last

- Alexina Graham to be announced as the new Angel around spring

 

I agree that Behati is completely done with VS. To be honest, she kinda burned out in the high fashion world and I doubt she is gonna try to get back to VS, so I think she might be done with modeling overall. Being a mom is time-consuming with one child alone, so I bet she is completely fine staying at home with her kids. 

 

I think Lily will probably stay for her 10th show and exit gracefully, but without many photoshoots. I think Candice is probably gonna be back for the show, but based off of how crucial she is to campaigns, I assume that VS will beg her to stay and she'll probably give another two years or so. Candice is one of their cash cows, so she's not going down without a big celebration. Seeing how next year will probably be about Lily if she leaves and Adriana has the 2020 show, either 2019 or 2021 will probably be her last. Might be my hopes more that fact, but that's how I see everything going down.

 

I honestly have a lot of doubt that Alexina will be made an Angel. Ed went this crazy about other girls who dropped quickly after (remember Alannah Walton?). I think Kelly and Grace have better chances anyways. Seeing how Ale's gone, VS needs to hit gold again and I doubt Alexina can be that, especially if she only has a few years with the brand, since she's almost 27. I could see Kelly being a big marketing tool, since she's young, well rounded in the fashion world and expandable, and one of the few famous South Asian models (she's Half Indian). Grace is already huge in high fashion and can only get bigger. Either would be smarter Angel contracts than Alexina. 

 

5 hours ago, VSDiaries said:

I wanted to leave this here in case someone else finds it as curious as I do/worth discussing: 

I looked at the runway screentime each angel got this year and there was a massiveeee editing bias on Blanca Padilla in what was an otherwise uniform distribution of screentime. 
She received more runway screentime than half the Angels (including Adriana). 
She was the only model getting this preferential treatment (Also worth noting she was one of the first models onto that casting board.) 

I know the VS store is opening in Spain... but when you consider screentime/outfits, to me VS made Blanca a higher priority than most NA. 

 

(Side note: the other outlier was Taylor who was fairly marginalised in editing)

(And was also last in casting board order but I never worked that order out so I guess it means nothing.... ) 


 

 

Blanca is definitely gonna be an Angel in a few years. I remember watching the casting video for this year and the way that Ed, Sophia, and Monica lit up when the saw her gave me the impression that they will be head-over-heels for her. She got some of the best outfits, was featured a lot backstage, and had a interview during the aforementioned casting video. No way they don't do something with her in the next few years, especially if they are expanding to Spain. I bet Robin and Roos will probably be big contenders as well. 

 

In terms of Taylor, it's hard to tell whether she'll stay for much longer. She's huge outside of VS, anyone who's seen her Instagram can tell. She just isn't that great of a model, which makes her harder to market as well as someone like Candice or Adriana. I think VS has noticed this and used her less because of it. I think Martha, Taylor, Kate, and Jac were supposed to be their big players, but Josephine showed up and Jasmine, Elsa, Sara, Romee, and Lais did better than expected, even though I have pegged them as the better Angels from the get go. Kate and Jac obviously didn't work out. Martha started off strong, but fell short in some areas of her role after the Taylor Swift friendship hype died down. That leaves Taylor to carry a lot of weight that the other girls clearly usurped from her. Hence why she got good outfits this year (they know she's beautiful and can pull off most anything), but they didn't give her anything significant. 

 

Part of me wants to think that they don't want to oversaturate the public with Taylor, since she's featured on various international covers and does many high fashion campaigns and runways, but that justification falls short when referring to Josephine or Candice circa 2012 - 2014. 

 

4 hours ago, VSDiaries said:

My little headcannon is giving Kate the segment close was them sending her off  & I think it might've been her last show? Idk haha

It surprised me as well with Taylor because she's easily the NA with the highest profile... I guess in hindsight (save for Jo) they just flipped it from last year which I didn't expect. 

 

 

I assumed the same from Kate. I think VS knows she deserves bigger things, but the inability to expand her into international prominence due to the language barrier and the short window they had with her age made her virtually impossible to transform into a marketing spokesmodel. I bet they'll give her a closing next year if she goes to castings and drop her after. That's what I had in my plan/fantasy/hope