November 9, 20168 yr left-liberal Guardian growls that Trump is like a new Berlusconi Quote ... Twenty-two years ago a successful businessman sent a VHS tape to Italy’s news channels. It showed him sitting in a (fake) office. He read a pre-prepared statement via an autocue. The man’s name was Silvio Berlusconi, and he was announcing that he was, in his words, “taking the field”. The first reaction was derision. Opposition politicians saw his political project (the formation of a “movement” called Forza Italia – Go for it, Italy – just months ahead of a crucial general election) as a joke. ... But Forza Italia soon became the biggest “party”. In the working-class Communist citadel of Mirafiori Sud in Turin, an unknown psychiatrist standing for Berlusconi’s movement beat a long-standing trade unionist. Berlusconi had not just won, he had also stolen the left’s clothes and some of its supporters. That first government was short lived, but Berlusconi would dominate Italian politics for the next 20 years – winning elections in 2001 and 2008 and losing by a handful of seats in 2006. In terms of days in office, Berlusconi ranks as Italy’s third longest-serving prime minister, behind Mussolini and the great liberal of 19th-century Italy, Giovanni Giolitti. ... Beyond wealth, Berlusconi, like Trump, always painted himself as an outsider, as anti-establishment, even when he was prime minister. And, like Trump, Berlusconi’s appeal was populist and linked to his individual “personality”. Berlusconi’s personal-business political model has since been followed by others in Italy. It could be argued that both Beppe Grillo’s populist anti-political Five Star Movement and Matteo Renzi’s insider-outsider appeal (until recently) have been created very much in Berlusconi’s image. One could go so far as to say Berlusconi transformed politics. The mass parties of the postwar period had become increasingly irrelevant, but he didn’t need a party just as Trump doesn’t really need the Republican party. ... The lesson for America is that for far too long Berlusconi was treated as a joke and a clown. By the end, nobody was laughing. ... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/20/donald-trump-silvio-berlusconi-italy-prime-minister
November 9, 20168 yr So ok ... Let's see what happened. I woke up this morning, and Trump won. What a news, i was saying he will win since 3 months. And i'm not proud about it. I also said that the last Pope will resign, and it's happened too. Ok Who is surprised ? Trump wons. Those who are today on their asses because Trump wons are actually big jerks. We really have to be BLIND to don't see all these people hunger, and revolt. People thought and believed the own propaganda from the lefty, and PC galaxy. Well, it was propaganda, too bad for you if you trusted that But it was not the truth Another issue More than 190 on 200 media in the US was suporting Dems and Clinton. That's awkward today for them no ? Then, ALLLLLLL that polls, and studies, gave Clinton winner, untill the last minute. How they could have been SOOOO wrong ? Is it a simple mystake ? Are they just incompetent, or these "results", projections, were made in purpose to change the final results of the election. According them, the election was already palyed, even before that the American people voted, just like in the UK for the Brexit. That's so awkward day for them. That's so embarrassing ... That's the limit of the system. You can predict, you can talk, you can lie, but these words are not the truth because they are told by your mouth. I hope now, that those who "losed" today, are going to be good losers, and not bad losers, and will respect the democracy, and other people opinion. I hope they are enough mature to respect that, at least. And to those, ALL over the Social Medias today, who are pretending to spread #LOVE, in spreading hate, that they will return to their own litlle and incredible and amazing little shitty life, will respect DEMOCRACY. I hope they're enough well educated, and not too much smart (LOL) to respect that. I'm not SUPER happy about it, that's a challenge for the US. Some things worry me, but i'm happy because democracy has talked. I'm more happy that Clinton losed that the opposite.
November 9, 20168 yr 1 minute ago, frenchkiki said: But the question is @jj3: is it cold where you are??? You know it @frenchkiki, where jj3 is, jj3 warm up the temps, always
November 9, 20168 yr The real question of Donald J. Trump's presidency will be what happens to his supporters once they find out that a lot of his campaign promises were based on magical thinking. It's not out of the question that they don't care. Brexiteers have come back on a lot of their promises without there being any real blacklash from the Leave voters.
November 9, 20168 yr 1 hour ago, Sanni said: Perhaps Clinton didn’t appeal to enough male voters and she did not get as strong support from female voters as she would have needed in order to win. It could be that Clinton wasn’t perceived as being genuine enough. Despite Trump’s blatant lies, he might’ve given the impression that he says things as he sees them. I think a lot of older americans remember what Bill Clinton did in the 1990s (as a Wall Street crook) and see Hilary as a continuation of his policies: 1. He betrayed the american blue collar worker with various trade agreements while operating closely with elite banking industries. 2. Clinton's administration helped accelerate de-industrialization to a degree that no other president had accomplished. 3. He helped concentrate an unprecedented amount of power in the US financial sector, which had future consequences. 4. Retirement and taxation- helped shift savings plans of the entire US population into the stock market.
November 9, 20168 yr 29 minutes ago, jj3 said: I'm not SUPER happy about it, that's a challenge for the US. Some things worry me, but i'm happy because democracy has talked. I'm more happy that Clinton losed that the opposite. +1 I don't like trump or hilary but the silver lining shows that people know that something is wrong with the establishment and have thought of these things independently & voted (or not voted at all) for the 'crazy unknown factor'. It also devalues the power of the mass media into controlling human opinion which is quite unexpected.
November 9, 20168 yr Only half of the people eligible to vote have voted. Turn-out is way down compared to the previous three elections. It seems like a lot of people weren't very enthusiastic about either of these two candidates, which sort of makes sense.
November 9, 20168 yr And it seems that more people actually voted for Clinton than Trump but that is not enough to get elected because of the system…
November 9, 20168 yr 55 minutes ago, SympathysSilhouette said: The real question of Donald J. Trump's presidency will be what happens to his supporters once they find out that a lot of his campaign promises were based on magical thinking. It's not out of the question that they don't care. Brexiteers have come back on a lot of their promises without there being any real blacklash from the Leave voters. They know that, stop to think that those who are not LIKE YOU are immediately dumbs. They know that. They just want something to change. Maybe a new adventure, and new story. Maybe they are wrong or not, but we'll know that in 4 or 8 years. Those who voted for him was suffering. Just like those who wanted Sanders in the white house. The HUGE mystake was to send Clinton agaisnt him, she was not the right one. Bad strategy. That's what i call a "middle finger vote". But who to blame once again, if there's one to blame. Maybe the polls and studies agencies. Really ... 100% wrong, that's huge no ? 41 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: I don't like trump or hilary but the silver lining shows that people know that something is wrong with the establishment and have thought of these things independently & voted (or not voted at all) for the 'crazy unknown factor'. It also devalues the power of the mass media into controlling human opinion which is quite unexpected. +1 34 minutes ago, SympathysSilhouette said: Only half of the people eligible to vote have voted. Turn-out is way down compared to the previous three elections. It seems like a lot of people weren't very enthusiastic about either of these two candidates, which sort of makes sense. Do you have a link ?
November 9, 20168 yr 3 minutes ago, jj3 said: They know that, stop to think that those who are not LIKE YOU are immediately dumbs. They know that. They just want something to change. Maybe a new adventure, and new story. Maybe they are wrong or not, but we'll know that in 4 or 8 years. Those who voted for him was suffering. Just like those who wanted Sanders in the white house. The HUGE mystake was to send Clinton agaisnt him, she was not the right one. Bad strategy. That's what i call a "middle finger vote". But who to blame once again, if there's one to blame. Maybe the polls and studies agencies. Really ... 100% wrong, that's huge no ? I don't believe in protest votes and I struggle to think of any example in the modern era where they led to significant improvements in the lives of the people who had made said protest vote. I never said anything about the intelligence of Trump voters and I would appreciate if you do not imply that I did. The DNC obviously has a lot of soul-searching to do.
November 9, 20168 yr >> http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/us-election-results-and-state-by-state-maps/
November 9, 20168 yr Quote Coming back to the hotel after appearing on Bill Maher’s Republican Convention special this week on HBO, a man stopped me. “Mike,” he said, “we have to vote for Trump. We HAVE to shake things up.” That was it. That was enough for him. To “shake things up.” President Trump would indeed do just that, and a good chunk of the electorate would like to sit in the bleachers and watch that reality show. http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
November 9, 20168 yr I think I need to stock up on wine, tequila, vodka and popcorn. It's going to be a bumpy ride these next four years me thinks, regardless of who won the main vote.
November 9, 20168 yr 11 minutes ago, CandleVixen said: I think I need to stock up on wine, tequila, vodka and popcorn. It's going to be a bumpy ride these next four years me thinks, regardless of who won the main vote. Well see the bright side, we may get four more years of Alec Baldwin's flawless Trump.
November 9, 20168 yr 2 hours ago, jj3 said: You know it @frenchkiki, where jj3 is, jj3 warm up the temps, always Human heater? You certainly have a big thermomètre?
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