July 8, 200717 yr Welcome to another traditional long ass BS posts fair: I doubt it had as much to do with Cannavaro as it did with Capello choosing to defend home and away and play with a double pivot in front of the back 4. Hell even Roberto Carlos was defending :shock: Diarra...not too fond of him but Gago on the other hand... he had a horrible season but I like Gago Ramos on the right? - Sure it had to do with Capello, more than it had with anything else. But Cannavaro also helped the others, and gave them confidence. - Diarra! He is my man. DMF. Gago thinks too much offense. Maybe if they play both, then OK, but you can't leave the whole Midfield to Gago alone. - I said before Ramos should play on the right, if he wants to become Big. As a CB, he is risk, and real has not this luxury. And last year he did pretty good as a winger. BTW where is Cicinho?? 3- I know you are not saying, they are not good because they are young. I'm saying that they are young and that is why they are not so good YET, also. And this is why, they shouldn't play right now. There is no guarantee that they will get any bigger. Maybe Ramos sometimes clowns us by his goals. But as I said before, he is not the CB, that I want in my team. When Helguera first came out, people were claiming he will become big also. But when Real decided to let him go, who wanted him ? Plus Chivu is just 27, so the Ramos, Metzelder, and Torres don't get too much credit from their age. They are young so they shouldn't play? You realise they need to play while they are young if they want to improve right? They are 20-ish. Provided they don't have any career-threatening injuries and given they have the potential to learn, they will most definitely get better...unless of course they are from Liverpool and go by the name of Robbie Fowler or Steve McManaman That was tragic True about Helguera, but Ramos is a different player. For starters he's more technically gifted, good in the air offensively and defensively, good passer, good shot and reads the game well. He's confident in his own abilities too, but probably most importantly, Ramos has the leadership qualities that Helguera lacks. Helguera can't play without a solid partner there as back-up but Ramos can do that job easily Well, let me clear it up. This was your word: I'm saying that they are young and that is why they are not so good YET. I do agree with that. And this is why they shouldn't play Yet. By they shouldn't play, I mean't, they shouldn't play as starters continously. If Chivu is better than Metzelder, than why putting Metzelder over him. Sure they are going to play. But they should play in the last 30 minutes, or when some others are injured or booked, and most importantly on the trainings. If they want to play 90 minutes, than they should go to teams like Getafe, or Osasuna. Real Madrid won't forgive their mistakes, when they make some. They didn't forgive their captain Hierro, after a season they were champions, cause his game was a dissapointment in the regular season. And Ramos is a defender. No matter how gifted he is offensively, there will be season, where he will finish with 2-5 unimportant goals. And then Ciao Sergio . Ummm... Gerrard's header wasn't long range. Riise was left alone, he had plenty of time to pick out a cross and Gerrard was pratically unmarked. If that isn't a failure from the defense I don't know what is The Smicer shot was freaky though Gerrard's header was something like 15m. It's a really long range for a header. Ususlly goals scored with headers, are from 10m or less. But you reminded me of something. Before 6 seasons or some I had saw a goal in turkish league, and I recorded it on video. If I'll find it, I'll convert it, youtube it, and then post it here. What makes that goal so special? :shock: It was a header from 50m :shock: I doubt if you have ever saw such a thing ? Just because it is a free kick doesn't mean it doesn't count :trout: The defence must concede the free kick too Anyway, Juve have Boumsong :| :rofl: :rofl: - What do you expect from defense during the freekicks ? It all depends on the Kicker/ It's all between him and Keeper/ and defense should have no fear/ Cuz whatever they do, won't make a big deal/ (Hey, I'm great @ rhymin' :blueeyedbaby: huh?) - And true, Juve has Boumsong. And they will sell him after two years for 20,000,000 €. Forzza Juve Pffft...I still don't care about Italian football Death to Catenaccio :persuazn: and correction, Kaka won the Champions League (bar the finals). The rest of the team did practically nothing the whole campaign Agreed. Kaka won it all! But it won't change the fact that the cup is in Milan . Just like when Luis Garcia did it all for Liverpool in 2005 (bar the finals) . I don't mind the defensive player thing but I just don't believe giving a Player of the YEAR award to someone based on 7 games is right. Cannavaro and Zidane didn't have a vintage season at club level, and I'd rather give it to Zidane because he single-handedly took his team to the finals, but Cannavaro had Gattuso, Pirlo, Zambrotta and Buffon to make him look good. Grosso just looks ugly Henry? He took a young Arsenal side to the Champions League final but Ronnie would be more worthy because he helped Barca win the Champions League and back-to-back Ligas. Pity he didn't do anything at the World Cup though. Kaka is always first choice in my books. Great season at club level and he was the only attacking star to shine for Brasil during the WC Drogba did nothing special individually during that season so I don't know why you'd nominate him - Dude I feel like disagreeing once again. I don't mind giving it to a defensive player neither(I said it for dopio). But I mind it if you give it to a defensive player, when it's doubtful. Taking it one step forward, I bet if Italy had lost the final after penalties, Cannavaro wouldn't have got anyone of the top three spots. About the 7 game spit, all I can say is, in all the world cups I have saw, the best players of them were titled as Player of the year at the end of the year. And I think this is the way it should be done(as far as they don't spoil themselves in regular seasons). 94-Romario, 98-Ronaldo, 2002-Ronaldo. You see it wasn't the best player of the WC champions, but the best player of WC. And this Cup he was Zidane. Probably his red card in the finals made him lose some more votes also, but I think it shouldn't be counted when talking for football awards. And you are wrong for Zidane's regular season performance. In 2004-05 season I really thought he was gettin old, but in 2005-06 he really made me think that he ain't done yet. And his World Cup performance was one of the most memorables ever. - Ronnie? 2006 was his worst year since he came to Barca. I can't say he did much to his team. Eto'o was way better than him. And comparing his role in Barca's championship to Henry's one in Arsenal ? C'mon now, Henry had scored or assisted ALL of Arsenals goals, in the knockout stages of CL. He single-handedly defeated Real and Juve. On the other hand Ronnie had only 2 goals(1 against Chelsea, and the other against Benfica), and even if you remove them, Barca is still the champion. He was walking too much on the sky last year. Glad he started to come back lately. Being serious, I don't think he was worth of top 10. Plus Henry was waayyyyy better than him in both matches they met - CL finals, & WC quarters. - Kaka', well we already agreed. - Drogba did nothing special ? First he was really awsome in Africa Cup, and was good at the end of the previous season also. In World Cup he was too alone against the greats like Argentina & Netherlands. If Ivory Cost played in a lower pwered group, they were giving me hopes of more, but this won't get Drogba anymore points. Anyway, usually in the Player of the year awards, the actual season is the more important one. And when the last season started Drogba was UNSTOPPABLE. He had like 12 goals in EPL, and 5 in CL. And his goals weren't so simple. Remember the goals he scored, against Barca(in S-Bridge), or against Everton, or the one he scored against Liverpool ? I don't know how many people will agree, but his game was leaving me(and nearly all of my friends) in awe. If he had made this performance in a non-WC year, I think he could have won the award easily. You are about to witness one of the longest BS posts ever: :shock: Well, :evil: the BS is still on :evil: . Now it's your turn
July 8, 200717 yr ok I'll try to keep this short - Sure it had to do with Capello, more than it had with anything else. But Cannavaro also helped the others, and gave them confidence.- Diarra! He is my man. DMF. Gago thinks too much offense. Maybe if they play both, then OK, but you can't leave the whole Midfield to Gago alone. - I said before Ramos should play on the right, if he wants to become Big. As a CB, he is risk, and real has not this luxury. And last year he did pretty good as a winger. BTW where is Cicinho?? He helped, but he didn't make that much impact. He had that godawful spell early in the season as well where he couldn't defend to save his life. We should ask ANGE what she remembers though. Gago thinks too much offense? He's a very defensive player. I believe he himself said "the further I go up the pitch, the less of a player I become" or something to that effect. Ramos isn't a risk imo. He is very good for a 20 year old. Great right back (Y) but I think he's great at CB. Anyway if anyone is letting the team down it is the rest of the RM defense. He has been their best player in defense since he arrived imo. Cicinho got a knee injury Well, let me clear it up. This was your word: I'm saying that they are young and that is why they are not so good YET. I do agree with that. And this is why they shouldn't play Yet. By they shouldn't play, I mean't, they shouldn't play as starters continously. If Chivu is better than Metzelder, than why putting Metzelder over him. Sure they are going to play. But they should play in the last 30 minutes, or when some others are injured or booked, and most importantly on the trainings. If they want to play 90 minutes, than they should go to teams like Getafe, or Osasuna. Real Madrid won't forgive their mistakes, when they make some. They didn't forgive their captain Hierro, after a season they were champions, cause his game was a dissapointment in the regular season. And Ramos is a defender. No matter how gifted he is offensively, there will be season, where he will finish with 2-5 unimportant goals. And then Ciao Sergio . They need to be playing week in, week out when they are that young. Chivu isn't at Madrid yet and my point is because they have adequate cover, they shouldn't buy Chivu unless they intend for Metzelder to sit on the bench all season Madrid bought Ramos for €20m+ so it wouldn't be a very wise investment to sit Ramos on the bench in the stage of his career where he will learn the most. By playing Chivu, they are just going for a short-term strategy and wasting good talent. Anyway, it seems like I like Ramos and you don't. End of story I guess Gerrard's header was something like 15m. It's a really long range for a header. Ususlly goals scored with headers, are from 10m or less. But you reminded me of something. Before 6 seasons or some I had saw a goal in turkish league, and I recorded it on video. If I'll find it, I'll convert it, youtube it, and then post it here. What makes that goal so special? :shock: It was a header from 50m :shock: I doubt if you have ever saw such a thing ? Gerrard's goal He's closer than the penalty spot, so I'd say around ~10m. Watch the defence do nothing as he lingers inside the area. It was a great goal but the defence has to be at fault there as Stam was nowhere close to Gerrard as he headed the ball home. WHHHHAAAAT? 50m? :shock: Just upload it on megaupload.com or something - What do you expect from defense during the freekicks ?It all depends on the Kicker/ It's all between him and Keeper/ and defense should have no fear/ Cuz whatever they do, won't make a big deal/ (Hey, I'm great @ rhymin' :blueeyedbaby: huh?) - And true, Juve has Boumsong. And they will sell him after two years for 20,000,000
July 8, 200717 yr Anyway, it seems like I like Ramos and you don't. End of story I guess Yeah, end of the story. Maybe after the seson starts we maty open a chapter 2. Anyway correcting the last thing, it's not that I don't like him, but Chivu is better than him I guess . He's closer than the penalty spot, so I'd say around ~10m. Watch the defence do nothing as he lingers inside the area. It was a great goal but the defence has to be at fault there as Stam was nowhere close to Gerrard as he headed the ball home.WHHHHAAAAT? 50m? :shock: Just upload it on megaupload.com or something No, it's a bit wider than penalty spot. After i watched it once again, I saw that it was closer than what I thought, but still ~12m I guess(yet long range for a header). Yes the defense had a fault, I agree, but it wasn't something terrific. Gerrard wasn't in a likely situation to score, and defense did the right thing by defending the closer zone. When the opponent crosses, the most important thing is not involve them run, cause it would make their headers way stronger, than when they just jump from the spot they are. But I will agree that they gave too much time for Risee to pick up his head and cross. - And about that 50m header, right now I'm not at the hometown, but after I'll go back, I will check for it, and whenever I'll find, I will upload it somewhere, and let it be known here . They might not have much to do when the fk is taken but they got themselves in that situation in the first place. If the foul was never committed there would be no freekick to deal with.It rhymed? Boumsong :yuckky: - There are freekicks nearly every damn game. I don't think that before the freekick was taken someone was like "Inept defenders, don't they never think that this freekick may result as a goal!" C'mon NOW . - Sure it rhymed :anger: ! - And don't diss Boumsong just based on his name . Wait till we see him playing. Well there is a trophy for best player in the World Cup already so it makes every 4th Player of the YEAR award redundant if you're going to award it to the best player of the World Cup anyway. Ronaldo is the best example. He did nothing at club level that season. He's spectacular in the World Cup and he gets to take the prize home. I'm just saying that the criteria for picking a worthy winner should be judged based on the trophy's namesake rather than some post-WC hype Zidane's performances in a Real shirt didn't impress me much in 2005/06 to be honest :morning: If he didn't headbutt Materazzi I think he would've taken the trophy but it might send out the wrong message to kids that watched the finals because people might think it's ok to play well but be violent The final most definitely worked against him Ronnie did nothing? What about his performances in the Classico? When the Madridista give a Barca player a standing ovation it must mean something. He finished the season with 20-something goals as well (Y) Against Chelsea, he scored a beautiful goal and forced Terry's own goal with his freekick. That's 2 goals out of Barca's 3 and the tie ended 3-2. Against Benfica, he scored the winning goal (great run and assist from Eto'o though). You can't just say 'if you take his goal out, Barca would've won anyway' because Ronnie's goal forced Benfica to change their formation and chase the away goal which would've won it (first leg was 0-0). Also, if you look back at Eto'o's goal, Ronnie was part of the action there as well. He was the one that spotted Belletti, who assisted Eto'o. Also, what about the assist to set up Giuly against Milan? That was an awesome assist (and an awesome run) and helped Barca score the deciding goal in 180 minutes. So, Ronnie was involved in many critical goals that took Barca to the finals that year, which is hardly nothing His performances faded toward the end of the season though This year, he was tragic. Let's hope he does better next year and stops everyone talking about Ronaldo :| Henry was good but Arsenal finished 4th and if you agree with the Player of the World Cup = Player of the Year thing, then it should be no problem for you accepting that Ronnie (La Liga + Champions League) was better than Henry (4th place + CL Runner-up) based on results and the weighting of tournaments, regardless of whoever plays the best throughout the whole year It's the same kind of twisted logic Drogba: I thought we were talking about the season before last? Yes, last year he was good but the season preceding the World Cup he wasn't anything special, maybe for Cote D'Ivoire as Herve pointed out, but all the goals you mentioned were from last season, the one that just ended. First of all, pal you are wrong. The award is given to the best player of the year, not the season. And Ronnie's game you mentioned was in 2005, not 2006. In 2006 he was nowhere in El Classicos(and Barca won none of them). And I didn't said he did nothing, but he didn't really much. I'll give you an exact number, he had 12 goals from PK in that previous season. - Well, his goal against Chelsea was nice, but with or w/out that goal, Chelsea needed two goals, so that goal really didn't matter. And I don't think you were honest when you claimed that he forced Terry's own goal. I bet you never gave any credit to Lampard for Motta's own goal. And they shouldn't get any. It's luck, not delivery. He had a nice game against Benfica, but Eto'o was better than him. And you called that assist to Giuly AWESOME ? I doubt if Giuly had the same assist, and Ronnie scored the goal, there would be anyone to called it an awesome assist. Let's check it once again if you want: I mean, his pass wasn't that good. The angle Giuly had was too tight, and the ball was bouncing in the air. If Giuly didn't run to that ball, not too many people would have blamed him. I really think, that Giuly needs to get more credit for that goal, cuz he really did a great job. - Anyway this was a nice set up from him: But I'll post a better assist and set up from our fav. midfielder Kaka' (and I bet when this goals first came you were like ): And I think you have made a mistake when quoting my words I said: Best Player of the World Cup should be Player of the Year (not best player of the WC winners) Then you said: If you agree with the Player of the World Cup = Player of the Year thing, then it should be no problem for you accepting that Ronnie (La Liga + Champions League) was better than Henry (4th place + CL Runner-up) Noooooooooo, way wrong. I repeat Henry was waayyy better than Ronnie. He (Henry) was the best player of Champoions League, not Ronnie. Just because Barca was better than Arsenal, that won't make Ronaldinho better than Henry. - Lastly, I'll repeat the same thing once again for Drogba. It's the best player of the year, not of the season(I'm 100% sure for that)
July 9, 200717 yr No, it's a bit wider than penalty spot. After i watched it once again, I saw that it was closer than what I thought, but still ~12m I guess(yet long range for a header). Yes the defense had a fault, I agree, but it wasn't something terrific. Gerrard wasn't in a likely situation to score, and defense did the right thing by defending the closer zone. When the opponent crosses, the most important thing is not involve them run, cause it would make their headers way stronger, than when they just jump from the spot they are. But I will agree that they gave too much time for Risee to pick up his head and cross. Yep, you're right, the central defenders did the right thing, but no one picked up Gerrard and he was wandering around freely for an eternity in the box. Not sure if you'd want to blame the defence for that though - And about that 50m header, right now I'm not at the hometown, but after I'll go back, I will check for it, and whenever I'll find, I will upload it somewhere, and let it be known here . I'll be waiting - There are freekicks nearly every damn game. I don't think that before the freekick was taken someone was like "Inept defenders, don't they never think that this freekick may result as a goal!" C'mon NOW .- Sure it rhymed :anger: ! - And don't diss Boumsong just based on his name . Wait till we see him playing. If it does result in a goal, people normally think "why did the defender give away such a silly foul?" but just because they don't think beforehand doesn't mean it is not the defence's fault. The freekick is still a result of an error by the defence, which if I recall correctly is the main point we are dealing with. Hahahaha that didn't rhyme :trout: Which country are you from by the way? I'm not dissing Boumsong based on his name. I'm dissing him based on his utter uselessness (and yes I mean it literally) in a Newcastle shirt First of all, pal you are wrong. The award is given to the best player of the year, not the season. And Ronnie's game you mentioned was in 2005, not 2006. In 2006 he was nowhere in El Classicos(and Barca won none of them). And I didn't said he did nothing, but he didn't really much. I'll give you an exact number, he had 12 goals from PK in that previous season.- Well, his goal against Chelsea was nice, but with or w/out that goal, Chelsea needed two goals, so that goal really didn't matter. And I don't think you were honest when you claimed that he forced Terry's own goal. I bet you never gave any credit to Lampard for Motta's own goal. And they shouldn't get any. It's luck, not delivery. He had a nice game against Benfica, but Eto'o was better than him. And you called that assist to Giuly AWESOME? I doubt if Giuly had the same assist, and Ronnie scored the goal, there would be anyone to called it an awesome assist. Let's check it once again if you want: I mean, his pass wasn't that good. The angle Giuly had was too tight, and the ball was bouncing in the air. If Giuly didn't run to that ball, not too many people would have blamed him. I really think, that Giuly needs to get more credit for that goal, cuz he really did a great job. Wait, what season are we talking about here? Because I was always under the impression we were talking about the 2005-2006 season ever since we started talking about Cannavaro as player of the WC And are you saying player of the year as in the actual year like Jan-Dec? because if that was the case you'd have 2 half seasons to base your judgments on and I'm confident that when they say player of the year it means player of the preceding futbol season. That's why Ronaldo was EPL Player of the Year this year even though it is only half way through the year. It only seems "logical" (for the lack of a better word) that you judge the year based on the continuity of one full futbol season rather than 2 halves of 2 different seasons Anyway my point was that Ronnie contributed directly and indirectly to Barca in that season at critical moments but if I'm talking about the wrong season then there's no point continuing any further Giuly started the run before the pass was made. It was an awesome pass because Ronnie was getting a lot of attention and still managed to pick a pass out so quickly and precisely. Giuly is the main player behind that goal as he started the run and scored a magnificent goal but no one is denying that But I'll post a better assist and set up from our fav. midfielder Kaka' (and I bet when this goals first came you were like ): I was like :anger: because Nesta clearly handballed in the box before that play and there are some other really good passes from Kaka in that game. I'm actually quite familiar with that game believe it or not And I think you have made a mistake when quoting my words I said: Best Player of the World Cup should be Player of the Year (not best player of the WC winners) Then you said: If you agree with the Player of the World Cup = Player of the Year thing, then it should be no problem for you accepting that Ronnie (La Liga + Champions League) was better than Henry (4th place + CL Runner-up) Noooooooooo, way wrong. I repeat Henry was waayyy better than Ronnie. He (Henry) was the best player of Champoions League, not Ronnie. Just because Barca was better than Arsenal, that won't make Ronaldinho better than Henry. hahahaha I get your point but I'm not saying one is better than the other. Or am I? Lastly, I'll repeat the same thing once again for Drogba. It's the best player of the year, not of the season(I'm 100% sure for that) Year as in Jan-Dec again? Refer to the Ronaldo EPL Player of the Year comment before. Our essays are getting shorter
July 9, 200717 yr Ughhh, what's with all these mammoth responses? Well, :evil: It's all ed's fault :evil: *runs* Ok, I'm glad you clarified me on that. Ed! :persuazn: aha jk.
July 9, 200717 yr really? That wasn't a UFO that was the reflection of the sun off Zidane's bald head I swear I saw him somewhere? Leave Zizou alone! MY IDOL. I love his bald head. He is parfait! this is an essay writing thread :| As long as Ramos is in there I'm happy with the solution :rofl: I'd comment back but my sloth makes me incapable even to care to read these, I bet they're great though. Me too. Well have fun essay writing, it'll improve your grammar vastly in class. Anyways, have fun in your what seems like a long and uninteresting political debate, win!
July 9, 200717 yr Ok, I'm glad you clarified me on that. Ed! :persuazn: aha jk. why would you trust him over me? :magic: Well have fun essay writing, it'll improve your grammar vastly in class. Anyways, have fun in your what seems like a long and uninteresting political debate, win! It's just a big bitch session
July 9, 200717 yr I wish I knew what was going on in here. Last time I was in here was in May I just found out that Torres is going to Liverpool
July 9, 200717 yr Warning: stop the Ronnie bashing or I'll have to start hurting people. And I really don't want to have to do that. :knives:
July 9, 200717 yr If it does result in a goal, people normally think "why did the defender give away such a silly foul?" but just because they don't think beforehand doesn't mean it is not the defence's fault. The freekick is still a result of an error by the defence, which if I recall correctly is the main point we are dealing with.Hahahaha that didn't rhyme :trout: Which country are you from by the way? I'm not dissing Boumsong based on his name. I'm dissing him based on his utter uselessness (and yes I mean it literally) in a Newcastle shirt Maybe it's just me, but I will never agree on this one. I judge things by how they are done, not how they result( on Sports ). Maybe if Milan's defenders fouled Ronaldinho on Giuly's goal, that goal wouldn't have been incurred. So makin' fouls sometimes may result in the right way, and sometimes in the wrong. But fouls are going to happen anyway, and that night was Barca's night, so just because those Freekicks resulted as goals, I won't blame defense. Plus I don't remember the fouls exactly, but I watched that game, and I don't remember something too silly . - Kicker, Keeper, fear, deal. They all rhyme. Maybe you say they don't because the "deal" ends with L, but they rhyme cuz they all follow the same vowel at the end TRUST ON MY :blueeyedbaby: SKiLLS - I'm from Kosova, somewhere at the Southeastern Europe! Have you heard about it? - OK, I'll change my words: Don't diss Boumsong just based on his past . Wait till we see him playing for Juve. Wait, what season are we talking about here? Because I was always under the impression we were talking about the 2005-2006 season ever since we started talking about Cannavaro as player of the WC And are you saying player of the year as in the actual year like Jan-Dec? because if that was the case you'd have 2 half seasons to base your judgments on and I'm confident that when they say player of the year it means player of the preceding futbol season. That's why Ronaldo was EPL Player of the Year this year even though it is only half way through the year. It only seems "logical" (for the lack of a better word) that you judge the year based on the continuity of one full futbol season rather than 2 halves of 2 different seasons Anyway my point was that Ronnie contributed directly and indirectly to Barca in that season at critical moments but if I'm talking about the wrong season then there's no point continuing any further Plus this was about Drogba: Year as in Jan-Dec again? Refer to the Ronaldo EPL Player of the Year comment before. We started to talk about this, when you said that you disagreed with Cannavaro being the best player of the year (for info: Zidane won the bast player of WC award), and then I said "I also disagree, my pick was Zidane, who was yours?". True, EPL award C.Ronaldo won, is given on the season base, but both awards Cannavaro won(Golden Ball by France Football & FIFA Player of the Year) are given on Jan-Dec year basis. That's why the award is given at the end of the year. And Awards of Fifa and France Football are not given to players of only one league, but they can be given to any player that plays in any corner of the world(Fifa), and any player from any league that is included in Uefa(France Football). And there are leagues that have the Jan-Dec routine(Brasil, Russia, etc.), unlike the most of Europes top leagues that have it like Aug-Jul. So no matter do you give the award based on Jan-Dec or Aug-Jul routine, you are going to judge some leagues by their full seasons, and some by two halves from two different seasons. I know, for us football fans, it would be right to give it in Aug-Jul basis(cuz europes top leagues & Champions League have this routine), but if they calim they are fair, the credit they give to (i.e.)EPL, they should give to (i.e.)Russian league. - Player of the year awards Cannavaro won do not mean player of the preceding futbol season - 100% sure about that Giuly started the run before the pass was made. It was an awesome pass because Ronnie was getting a lot of attention and still managed to pick a pass out so quickly and precisely. Giuly is the main player behind that goal as he started the run and scored a magnificent goal but no one is denying that I agree, that Ronaldinho had a nice assist, but IMO calling it awesome is just too much. Anyway, I wasn't trying to diss Ronnie, just saying that Giuly was the main man. Glad that you think the same way. I was like :anger: because Nesta clearly handballed in the box before that play and there are some other really good passes from Kaka in that game. I'm actually quite familiar with that game believe it or not Haha it's clear that you are a Liverpool fan. The touch of Nesta was unintentionally And I totally believe you. Actually I'm quite familiar with that game too. That one was one of the 3 best finals(maybe the best) that I have ever seen in my life(others being Bayern-Man U '99 & France-Italy '2000). I had the opputunity to go to that final, but there was a problem with my passaport hahahaha I get your point but I'm not saying one is better than the other. Or am I? :persuazn: YES YOU ARE :persuazn: :p Just Kidding :p
July 9, 200717 yr Our essays are getting shorter Why are you so glad that our essays are getting shorter ? Oh, I get it :evil: ! You are afraid of Ange
July 9, 200717 yr Ughhh, what's with all these mammoth responses? Well, :evil: It's all ed's fault :evil: *runs* Ok, I'm glad you clarified me on that. Ed! :persuazn: aha jk. Yeah, catch him, and punish him :evil: really? That wasn't a UFO that was the reflection of the sun off Zidane's bald head I swear I saw him somewhere? Leave Zizou alone! MY IDOL. I love his bald head. He is parfait! Zizou is my Idol too . But what's parfait ?
July 9, 200717 yr Warning: stop the Ronnie bashing or I'll have to start hurting people. And I really don't want to have to do that. :knives: Why saying Henry was better than Ronaldinho is considered as bashing? 2006 wasn't his year, it's as simple as that. Plus if you call this "bashing", than you was the first one to start it, cuz you said that C.Ronaldo was better than him .
July 9, 200717 yr Warning: stop the Ronnie bashing or I'll have to start hurting people. And I really don't want to have to do that. :knives: Why saying Henry was better than Ronaldinho is considered as bashing? 2006 wasn't his year, it's as simple as that. Plus if you call this "bashing", than you was the first one to start it, cuz you said that C.Ronaldo was better than him . I was merely joking, chill dude.
July 9, 200717 yr If it does result in a goal, people normally think "why did the defender give away such a silly foul?" but just because they don't think beforehand doesn't mean it is not the defence's fault. The freekick is still a result of an error by the defence, which if I recall correctly is the main point we are dealing with.Hahahaha that didn't rhyme :trout: Which country are you from by the way? I'm not dissing Boumsong based on his name. I'm dissing him based on his utter uselessness (and yes I mean it literally) in a Newcastle shirt Maybe it's just me, but I will never agree on this one. I judge things by how they are done, not how they result( on Sports ). Maybe if Milan's defenders fouled Ronaldinho on Giuly's goal, that goal wouldn't have been incurred. So makin' fouls sometimes may result in the right way, and sometimes in the wrong. But fouls are going to happen anyway, and that night was Barca's night, so just because those Freekicks resulted as goals, I won't blame defense. Plus I don't remember the fouls exactly, but I watched that game, and I don't remember something too silly . - Kicker, Keeper, fear, deal. They all rhyme. Maybe you say they don't because the "deal" ends with L, but they rhyme cuz they all the same vowel at the end TRUST ON MY :blueeyedbaby: SKiLLS - I'm from Kosova, somewhere at the Southeastern Europe! Have you heard about it? - OK, I'll change my words: Don't diss Boumsong just based on his past . Wait till we see him playing for Juve. Wait, what season are we talking about here? Because I was always under the impression we were talking about the 2005-2006 season ever since we started talking about Cannavaro as player of the WC And are you saying player of the year as in the actual year like Jan-Dec? because if that was the case you'd have 2 half seasons to base your judgments on and I'm confident that when they say player of the year it means player of the preceding futbol season. That's why Ronaldo was EPL Player of the Year this year even though it is only half way through the year. It only seems "logical" (for the lack of a better word) that you judge the year based on the continuity of one full futbol season rather than 2 halves of 2 different seasons Anyway my point was that Ronnie contributed directly and indirectly to Barca in that season at critical moments but if I'm talking about the wrong season then there's no point continuing any further Plus this was about Drogba: Year as in Jan-Dec again? Refer to the Ronaldo EPL Player of the Year comment before. We started to talk about this, when you said that you disagreed with Cannavaro being the best player of the year (for info: Zidane won the bast player of WC award), and then I said "I also disagree, my pick was Zidane, who was yours?". True, EPL award C.Ronaldo won, is given on the season base, but both awards Cannavaro won(Golden Ball by France Football & FIFA Player of the Year) are given on Jan-Dec year basis. That's why the award is given at the end of the year. And Awards of Fifa and France Football are not given to players of only one league, but they can be given to any player that plays in any corner of the world(Fifa), and any player from any league that is included in Uefa(France Football). And there are leagues that have the Jan-Dec routine(Brasil, Russia, etc.), unlike the most of Europes top leagues that have it like Aug-Jul. So no matter do you give the award based on Jan-Dec or Aug-Jul routine, you are going to judge some leagues by their full seasons, and some by two halves from two different seasons. I know, for us football fans, it would be right to give it in Aug-Jul basis(cuz europes top leagues & Champions League have this routine), but if they calim they are fair, the credit they give to (i.e.)EPL, they should give to (i.e.)Russian league. - Player of the year awards Cannavaro won do not mean player of the preceding futbol season - 100% sure about that Giuly started the run befo
July 9, 200717 yr Maybe it's just me, but I will never agree on this one. I judge things by how they are done, not how they result( on Sports ). Maybe if Milan's defenders fouled Ronaldinho on Giuly's goal, that goal wouldn't have been incurred. So makin' fouls sometimes may result in the right way, and sometimes in the wrong. But fouls are going to happen anyway, and that night was Barca's night, so just because those Freekicks resulted as goals, I won't blame defense. Plus I don't remember the fouls exactly, but I watched that game, and I don't remember something too silly .- Kicker, Keeper, fear, deal. They all rhyme. Maybe you say they don't because the "deal" ends with L, but they rhyme cuz they all follow the same vowel at the end TRUST ON MY :blueeyedbaby: SKiLLS - I'm from Kosova, somewhere at the Southeastern Europe! Have you heard about it? - OK, I'll change my words: Don't diss Boumsong just based on his past . Wait till we see him playing for Juve. that's another thing we don't agree on I'll give you kicker and keeper but fear and deal don't cut it Kosova? I've heard about it on the news and I think one of our other members are from there as well. If I don't diss Boumsong on his past appearances, what would I diss him on? :evil: He might play better in the Italian league where there are better defenders all around him to cover up his mistakes :trout: We started to talk about this, when you said that you disagreed with Cannavaro being the best player of the year (for info: Zidane won the bast player of WC award), and then I said "I also disagree, my pick was Zidane, who was yours?". True, EPL award C.Ronaldo won, is given on the season base, but both awards Cannavaro won(Golden Ball by France Football & FIFA Player of the Year) are given on Jan-Dec year basis. That's why the award is given at the end of the year. And Awards of Fifa and France Football are not given to players of only one league, but they can be given to any player that plays in any corner of the world(Fifa), and any player from any league that is included in Uefa(France Football). And there are leagues that have the Jan-Dec routine(Brasil, Russia, etc.), unlike the most of Europes top leagues that have it like Aug-Jul. So no matter do you give the award based on Jan-Dec or Aug-Jul routine, you are going to judge some leagues by their full seasons, and some by two halves from two different seasons. I know, for us football fans, it would be right to give it in Aug-Jul basis(cuz europes top leagues & Champions League have this routine), but if they calim they are fair, the credit they give to (i.e.)EPL, they should give to (i.e.)Russian league.- Player of the year awards Cannavaro won do not mean player of the preceding futbol season - 100% sure about that ok I agree, that Ronaldinho had a nice assist, but IMO calling it awesome is just too much. Anyway, I wasn't trying to diss Ronnie, just saying that Giuly was the main man. Glad that you think the same way. I call many things awesome though I just tend to appreciate the simple skills a lot and you'll have to talk to Herve about the dissing. He's the one standing next to you with chainsaw Haha it's clear that you are a Liverpool fan. The touch of Nesta was unintentionally And I totally believe you. Actually I'm quite familiar with that game too. That one was one of the 3 best finals(maybe the best) that I have ever seen in my life(others being Bayern-Man U '99 & France-Italy '2000). I had the opputunity to go to that final, but there was a problem with my passaport I'll admit it was a smart move but grrrr! Nesta! If he wasn't so good I'd be hating him at the moment <_< At least you got the opportunity but bad luck about the passport. I didn't get the chance
July 9, 200717 yr Why are you so glad that our essays are getting shorter ? Oh, I get it :evil: ! You are afraid of Ange Have you seen what she can do with a paperclip and 2 coins? If you haven't I suggest you ask her :shock: Yeah, catch him, and punish him :evil: :persuazn: It was eNe :shock: YOU SNITCHED ME :shock: :rofl: you snitched me first :avada: Warning: stop the Ronnie bashing or I'll have to start hurting people. And I really don't want to have to do that. :knives: Why saying Henry was better than Ronaldinho is considered as bashing? 2006 wasn't his year, it's as simple as that. Plus if you call this "bashing", than you was the first one to start it, cuz you said that C.Ronaldo was better than him . I was merely joking, chill dude. Were you Herve? Were you really? :|
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