I tend to agree. I myself have some Native American blood in me (Cheyenne to be exact) and I did not find the outfit in the least bit offensive. Now, if we were to get technical her motion with her hand over her mouth and her "How" sign was more offensive than anything, but from what I've seen she didn't seem to do that in the second taping. While I tend to be what most would call liberal I do feel we whine about things way to often. I find it ironic that this seemed to offend so many while Emanuela's outfit with the body paint last year didn't seem to offend anyone...

The cultures those outfits were based off don't have powerful interest group here in the U.S., or anywhere for that matter. Regarding that. I too was surprised that no one said anything about it, particularly because they had that faux neck elongation ring and "tribal" crotch paint. I would have atleast thought that last part would have upset the Christian conservative watchdog groups

The point is everyone needs to stop being so sensitive. It's not like Victoria's Secret is going out of it's way to insult any of the cultural groups around the world. They're trying to cobble together a show/fashion line that is "diverse" and sexy and everyone takes things way out of proportion. There's such a thing as making to big of a deal over something rather small. It's kinda like taking a full leg cast to cover a tiny scratch. Her wearing, or not wearing a headdress on the runway wasn't going to hurt anyone, but because someone feels it's attacking their cultural heritage we all have to tiptoe around the issue.

I am pretty sure they did it on purpose to start up controversy and publicity in hopes of increasing their ratings.

Although I did not think either the Geisha outfit or the Native American costume were that offensive but I could understand why it upsets people. Perhaps there are some over-sensitivity but at the same time there is not enough sensitivity. Certain social issues are not something everyone can fully understand until they experience it themselves. Someone who is part of the majority/dominant group might not necessarily understand the experience of someone in a minority group b/c it is not something they encounter and probably never will. If something is unfamiliar, it is sometimes difficult to comprehend it to its entirety.

Edited November 12, 201212 yr by PinkCouture

On the flipside, VS could just stick to the basics and not use random objects and totems in their show. I understand that they may be running out of ideas, but sometimes simplicity appreciated more than avant garde. On this, the amount of "wings" that aren't actually wings is hilarious. It's almost as if they feel the need for every other outfit to have "wings" now.

I am pretty sure they did it on purpose to start up controversy and publicity in hopes of increasing their ratings.

I initially thought this too. The VS team may suffer from psychosis and delusions of grandeur, but that doesn't stop them from realizing how to maximize publicity associated with their models, outfits, or show in general

^ When it comes down to it, VS is a business. Their #1 goal is to make as much money as possible. I am not saying I agree w/ this alleged tactic and that they should not have any social responsibilities. It is harsh reality that I am not optimistic will change

I definitely agree. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that they gave Karlie three looks knowing that the Thanksgiving outfit would cause drama and be taken out, leaving Karlie with two.

^ I agree. They knew not to give that outfit to a model who has only one (or even 2) b/c that would make her obsolete. Which going back to my point about businesses, a lower ROI

I've seen her look better but Cara kind of reminded me of a Nightmare at 20,000 feet.

On another note, I'm quite tired of the lack of PR events before the show. IMO that was one of the best parts, and one of the most exciting. Now, normally I would think Sandy had something to do with it this year but with the events missing last year and them doing IMO a poor excuse of one in 2010 I'm guessing there just wasn't any scheduled. They've just went downhill with them, and it was amazing press for the show as well

2006- *Before Taping* Plane Departure, Plane Arrival, Key to the City, Angels Gift Picks

*Before Airing* Lighting of NYSE Christmas Tree, Interviews by Many of the Angels on Major networks

2007- *Before Taping* Plane Departure, Plane Arrival, Star on the Walk of Fame, Angels Gift Picks

*Before Airing* Interviews on Major Networks

2008- *Before Taping* Angels Gift Picks, Boat Arrival, Hotel Shoot, Beach Shoot, Hotel Opening

*Before Airing* Store Signing with Adriana and Heidi, Interviews on Major Networks

2009- *Before Taping* Angels Gift Picks, Times Square Event

*Before Airing* A few select interviews

2010- *Before Taping* Stage Photo-Op

*Before Airing* Angels Gift picks

2011- *Before Taping* Nothing

*Before Airing* Angels Gift Picks, a few select interviews

2012-*Before Taping* Nothing

*Before Airing* N/A

Now granted it might be due to the fact most of these events were when they weren't basing the show in NYC, but I think that's a rather poor excuse.

Aint Karma a bitch!

Not sure I follow you, but sure whatever.

I am so tired of culturally sensitive, liberal hippy bullshit that is taking over mainstream media and society. People get offended over the smallest thing these days, stuff that 10 years ago we would have turned the other cheek to, but that of course was ignorance on our part. No it's called not being an emo little bitch about everything and taking it for what it is, a damn costume in a fashion show. Last I checked the long headdresses were worn by males, and there were no animal prints that the Native Americans wore, but hey, let's all shove a tree up our asses and bitch and whine.

I'm half Native and I personally didn't find the outfit offensive in the slightest. It was a cute take on a longstanding American tradition, (thanksgiving for everyone who's a little slow) where the pilgrims and the Natives came together).

You don't see a bunch of Americans crying over the fact that Lily let the stripes of her flag hit the ground even though you could see she was trying her damnedest not to let it do so. But you don't hear anyone crying fowl over that. You don't see the Wiccans/Celtics/Pagans getting up in arms over the little witch outfit Behati wore. Or how about the Irish getting upset over the little "luck of the Irish" outfit Hilary wore. Or how about the Jews getting upset over Barbara's Santa outfit. Or jumping over to pink and Sharam's little cowboy outfit. Half my family is probably rolling over in their grave, but you don't see me pulling out the burning torch and starting a "witch hunt".

The point is everyone needs to stop crying over every small slight they can possibly find and just grow up and move on. Point in case the geisha outfit that VS removed because a blogger got offended, and now this. Perhaps people need to stop over dramatizing their own culture and stop looking at everything as an actual personal attack.

all i'm saying is she doesn't deserve to wear 3 outfits while the others have 2 (Adriana not included). Karma just came in and put everything a balance. I couldn't care less what the outfit stands for. So I agree with all you said.

Aint Karma a bitch!

Not sure I follow you, but sure whatever.

I am so tired of culturally sensitive, liberal hippy bullshit that is taking over mainstream media and society. People get offended over the smallest thing these days, stuff that 10 years ago we would have turned the other cheek to, but that of course was ignorance on our part. No it's called not being an emo little bitch about everything and taking it for what it is, a damn costume in a fashion show. Last I checked the long headdresses were worn by males, and there were no animal prints that the Native Americans wore, but hey, let's all shove a tree up our asses and bitch and whine.

I'm half Native and I personally didn't find the outfit offensive in the slightest. It was a cute take on a longstanding American tradition, (thanksgiving for everyone who's a little slow) where the pilgrims and the Natives came together).

You don't see a bunch of Americans crying over the fact that Lily let the stripes of her flag hit the ground even though you could see she was trying her damnedest not to let it do so. But you don't hear anyone crying fowl over that. You don't see the Wiccans/Celtics/Pagans getting up in arms over the little witch outfit Behati wore. Or how about the Irish getting upset over the little "luck of the Irish" outfit Hilary wore. Or how about the Jews getting upset over Barbara's Santa outfit. Or jumping over to pink and Sharam's little cowboy outfit. Half my family is probably rolling over in their grave, but you don't see me pulling out the burning torch and starting a "witch hunt".

The point is everyone needs to stop crying over every small slight they can possibly find and just grow up and move on. Point in case the geisha outfit that VS removed because a blogger got offended, and now this. Perhaps people need to stop over dramatizing their own culture and stop looking at everything as an actual personal attack.

all i'm saying is she doesn't deserve to wear 3 outfits while the others have 2 (Adriana not included). Karma just came in and put everything a balance. I couldn't care less what the outfit stands for. So I agree with all you said.

Why do you act as if she deserved it? How is it her fault if VS want to throw her down everyones throats and make her wear 3 outfits. She shoudn't get attacked by people because VS want her for the company. What should she say no to them offering her a contract or whatever they want to offer. For her at the end of the day it's even more exposure, and a great chance to work with a huge company. People don't like Karlie for VS. That's fine everyone has an opinion, but everyone is rejoicing that she is getting one of her walks edited out of the show. How do you think she feels about it?

Whats next peta or someone being offened about the Circus segement?

Peta already did something once when Gisele walked. It was edited out.

And TBH, I am glad that other people who are a lot more knowledgeable on the issue than I am are sharing their POV. What bugs me is that the "costume" in itself wasn't derogatory, unlike the Wild Things segment, which was a lot more offensive IMO (there actually was some tiny controversy over it IIRC). I guess that one could pass it as "cultural appropriation", but then again, isn't that great when cultures are shared between people?

On the topic of "VS should have seen it coming", the No Doubt video was pulled only days before the show. Doing a whole new outfit that fit the November brief from scratch would have been tough, so I can see why they didn't scrap it at first.

Aint Karma a bitch!

Not sure I follow you, but sure whatever.

I am so tired of culturally sensitive, liberal hippy bullshit that is taking over mainstream media and society. People get offended over the smallest thing these days, stuff that 10 years ago we would have turned the other cheek to, but that of course was ignorance on our part. No it's called not being an emo little bitch about everything and taking it for what it is, a damn costume in a fashion show. Last I checked the long headdresses were worn by males, and there were no animal prints that the Native Americans wore, but hey, let's all shove a tree up our asses and bitch and whine.

I'm half Native and I personally didn't find the outfit offensive in the slightest. It was a cute take on a longstanding American tradition, (thanksgiving for everyone who's a little slow) where the pilgrims and the Natives came together).

You don't see a bunch of Americans crying over the fact that Lily let the stripes of her flag hit the ground even though you could see she was trying her damnedest not to let it do so. But you don't hear anyone crying fowl over that. You don't see the Wiccans/Celtics/Pagans getting up in arms over the little witch outfit Behati wore. Or how about the Irish getting upset over the little "luck of the Irish" outfit Hilary wore. Or how about the Jews getting upset over Barbara's Santa outfit. Or jumping over to pink and Sharam's little cowboy outfit. Half my family is probably rolling over in their grave, but you don't see me pulling out the burning torch and starting a "witch hunt".

The point is everyone needs to stop crying over every small slight they can possibly find and just grow up and move on. Point in case the geisha outfit that VS removed because a blogger got offended, and now this. Perhaps people need to stop over dramatizing their own culture and stop looking at everything as an actual personal attack.

all i'm saying is she doesn't deserve to wear 3 outfits while the others have 2 (Adriana not included). Karma just came in and put everything a balance. I couldn't care less what the outfit stands for. So I agree with all you said.

Tweeted by @victoriassecret

We are sorry that the Native American headdress in our fashion show has upset individuals. The outfit will be removed from the broadcast.

Level of butt-hurt is at critical mass

As apologies go, that is pretty pathetic.

People, just because you aren't personally offended doesn't mean that something did not cause offense.

Secondly, the headdress mess is 100% on VS' hands. It displays a level of cultural insensitivity that is rather baffling for such a big company.

I stated (half-jokingly) that they need a VP of common sense for their outfits, but perhaps they really should hire someone for that job.

People, just because you aren't personally offended doesn't mean that something did not cause offense.

Secondly, the headdress mess is 100% on VS' hands. It displays a level of cultural insensitivity that is rather baffling for such a big company.

I stated (half-jokingly) that they need a VP of common sense for their outfits, but perhaps they really should hire someone for that job.

People, just because you aren't personally offended doesn't mean that something did not cause offense.

Secondly, the headdress mess is 100% on VS' hands. It displays a level of cultural insensitivity that is rather baffling for such a big company.

I stated (half-jokingly) that they need a VP of common sense for their outfits, but perhaps they really should hire someone for that job.

It's not the first time VS (or any fashion brand for that matter) has used attributes from one culture for one of their outfits with hardly any criticism, so why is this one any different?

Aint Karma a bitch!

Not sure I follow you, but sure whatever.

I am so tired of culturally sensitive, liberal hippy bullshit that is taking over mainstream media and society. People get offended over the smallest thing these days, stuff that 10 years ago we would have turned the other cheek to, but that of course was ignorance on our part. No it's called not being an emo little bitch about everything and taking it for what it is, a damn costume in a fashion show. Last I checked the long headdresses were worn by males, and there were no animal prints that the Native Americans wore, but hey, let's all shove a tree up our asses and bitch and whine.

I'm half Native and I personally didn't find the outfit offensive in the slightest. It was a cute take on a longstanding American tradition, (thanksgiving for everyone who's a little slow) where the pilgrims and the Natives came together).

You don't see a bunch of Americans crying over the fact that Lily let the stripes of her flag hit the ground even though you could see she was trying her damnedest not to let it do so. But you don't hear anyone crying fowl over that. You don't see the Wiccans/Celtics/Pagans getting up in arms over the little witch outfit Behati wore. Or how about the Irish getting upset over the little "luck of the Irish" outfit Hilary wore. Or how about the Jews getting upset over Barbara's Santa outfit. Or jumping over to pink and Sharam's little cowboy outfit. Half my family is probably rolling over in their grave, but you don't see me pulling out the burning torch and starting a "witch hunt".

The point is everyone needs to stop crying over every small slight they can possibly find and just grow up and move on. Point in case the geisha outfit that VS removed because a blogger got offended, and now this. Perhaps people need to stop over dramatizing their own culture and stop looking at everything as an actual personal attack.

all i'm saying is she doesn't deserve to wear 3 outfits while the others have 2 (Adriana not included). Karma just came in and put everything a balance. I couldn't care less what the outfit stands for. So I agree with all you said.

Taken after the VSFS by Mélodie Love @ tFS