TBH I don't get the whole fuss over the Incredible Bra not having any Angels in its campaign. The Nakeds didn't have one either.

that looks so wrong in so many ways...

this looks like a little 12 yr girl in lingerie trying to be sexy,

how is this sexy? she looks very cute but not sexy,

i just felt like a pedophile looking at that commercial

this really looks like child pornography...

say what??? there is no way Miranda looks like a 12 year old. She is very sexy woman. And i cannot even begin to see how it compares to child porn???

VS has always been about using sexy and sex to sell, as most underwear and lingere companies are. But child porn? Um, no.

If anything, this just showed a more palyful side of Miranda. And unfortunately, she ahs that girl next door cuteness factor going for her as well, and although she looks young, i cannot see anyone mistaking her for a child.

As much as I love you sweetie, I'm in the group of people who thinks Miranda has the air is an underage girl. It's not even her fault. Her features are very childlike and while perhaps we are ALL aware that she isn't underage, it can still be a little uncomfortable to watch her try to be sexy. One of the reasons I don't like watching her traipse around her undies is because although she does exude demure sexuality, her looks coupled with this type of 'sexiness' does give off a slightly pedophelic vibe. Whether you see it or not, is kind of not a big deal because she is of age, and if you enjoy her more power to you.

(sorry for the 8,000 typos in this post, typing quickly, not gonna proof read. )

Sooo agree about Miranda. She does look 12 to me and i could see how someone would take this commercial as child pornography. I bet if we show this short vid to someone who has no idea who miranda is, their responce would be the same.

sorry but its the truth.

I really dont know what prediction to make about the upcoming show, its format, the outfits and of course, who will open it.

My all time fav angels and VS models are long gone I still miss their presence... I miss Heidi in her good old days- with better body and younger look. I miss Adriana, from back in 2000 up untill 2005 (her body was great then as well as her runway walk- mostly simple, nothing over the top)

I miss the fierce Gisele the most, just because she knew how to dominate that catwalk with no smooches, twirls, and kisses.

Someone had previously mentioned that Doutzen and Candice are interchangeable and i agree. But I'd rather see Candice stay.

And about Ale-im not a big fan-but if she is the only desent model, known well enough amongst the general population, then let her stay some more in VS.

What I think VS lacks in recent years is consistency: consistent models, same faces that have become trademark and people recognize them. Angels switch up every year.??!

And I really hope the runway this year is straight, normal, runway...dont wanna watch it from the side (08) dont watch it in triangle-shape (09) nor any other shape.

And I hope thye go back to basics, with simpler yet creative outfits, simpler runway, nice mixes and more less smooches.

I think Candice is the only Angel/Supermodel with a good, strong runway walk. She is not Gisele but it is still good and could open the show well. Adriana has a lot of presence but her walk is not incredible. I suppose you can blame the outfits, editing etc. on Alessandra's bad opening but I think a good model could have worked past it if you understand me. Maybe she needs another chance at opening but I think she is just better at opening segments than the whole show. I think she did well opening the Modern (?) segment in 2008.

In terms of the Fantasy Bra, it's between Adriana and Miranda for me. Candice is only a Supermodel. I don't think she would get it. I think Victoria's Secret have been pushing Miranda more than Alessandra this year.

agree about ale. she is good to open a segment not a show.

agree about adriana- not an incredible walker.

agree about candice- she is cute but not ready for THE bra.

if its between adriana and miranda, it better be adriana. dont see miranda being able to present a bra or open the show with the needed energy

but if miranda's is pregnant (if the rumor are true) she is not going to be in the show, and not wear the fantasy bra. so who knows if she is or not preg. hope she's not, i rather see her wearing the fantasy bra instead of adri again, and i don't think is fair for adri to wear it again since she already wore it in 2008, and i think other models deserve to wear too, and definitely doutzen is not going to wear it for sure cuz she is pregnant. i could see ale wearing the fantasy bra, she deserve it she been modeling with them for a long time already. i wouldn't be surprise if candice gets to wear the bra since vs is obsessed with candice already.

i know what you mean when you say that some models havent worn the bra and deserve to wear it but thats not how it works.

if adriana wears it will only be her 2nd time., which for VS isnt not too much. also, she is one of the main girls that is making her comeback this year after her pregnancy.

heidi klum wore the bra like a million times...probably THE MOST out of all the models, i lost track already. im sure when heidi was wearign it there were other models suitable for the job but they picked heidi indtead so, i dont think logic will help us decide which model should wear the bra.

Heidi has worn the bra.... 3 times?

Miranda might be pregnant. But if she shot the Fantasy Bra and was pregnant, would they not give it to maybe Candice for the show?

Heidi has worn the bra.... 3 times?

Miranda might be pregnant. But if she shot the Fantasy Bra and was pregnant, would they not give it to maybe Candice for the show?

I don't think they would do that. The bra is specifically made for the person who wears it (it's practically molded to your boobs) and there's no going back and starting new once those diamonds and whatever else are on there. And that would be unprofessional on Miranda's part. To tell them that she was pregnant (if she is) after shooting the FB (if she got it). Even Doutzen said she had to tell them "early". Why early? Nobody announces a pregnancy before the first trimester and she's only 3 months so she probably told them as soon as she found out which is completely crazy, but May is when they choose who wears it and when it's shot (at least this year). Anyway, I'm starting to think Adriana got it now. I know it doesn't mean anything, but she's been shooting with Russell almost every other day and he doesn't post pictures or when he does it's only one or two and they seem to be really trying to hide her body until the show (or around it - September which is when someone from VS Beauty said she would start doing launches again and when the Bombshell fragrance launches and they do all those NYC events). And some other cryptic stuff that has to do with Facebook, but yeah. Like I said before, Miranda and Adriana were in the area when it was shot (that I know of) and Alessandra too supposedly so it still could be any of them. I thought it was Doutzen for awhile there because of her cryptic Twitter messages these past few months, but then it turns out she was talking about her baby.

Thanks for the info Sav. Hopefully, its Adriana. and hopefully the bra is worht the fuss. because last year it was everything, but a FANTASY BRA!! more like nightmare, it looked like someone had created it 5 mins before the show.

May = Adriana still carrying baby weight through the bust? Bra wouldn't fit several months after losing the weight... the cups would start to swim on her.

Now if Adriana does get the bra, and chances are strong she will... I can promise you that they are going to have to refit the bra every 3 to 5 weeks as little by little she's going to continue to drop sizes. There is one other option for getting her breast back to a normal size in about a month... pills to dry her up, however then she couldn't feed the baby, and I honestly don't see Adriana doing that.

I still hope Ale gets the bra, and I have several reasons to think she is/was in the running to get it... but meh!

Either way who cares... right?

That's a good point, if Adriana got the bra by the time they did the pics (May/June) her breast might be bigger than how they're going to be by the time of the show. So maybe they didn't want to take risk with that, i mean she always had big boobs but probably got bigger with the pregnancy. & i think she didn't feed the baby since it was born premature & she had pre-clampsia so im not sure if she was able to feed Vale

VS must be hating all this pregnancy, they lost Adriana last year (& maybe Kk too for the show?) now they lost Doutzen & maybe Miranda won't be doing the show either

I have a questiion, IF Miranda got the bra & she's now pregnant, what the heck are they going to do? Have in the runway with all that bump or giving it to the girl with the closest bra size to do a last minute photoshoot? 'Cuz let's be honest, i adore Miranda but her boobs are small so that bra will be hard to fit in any other model

If Miranda did get the bra and is pregnant.... they might not show the bra at the show? It doesn't bring any attention anymore. It would not be a loss.

If Miranda did get the bra and is pregnant.... they might not show the bra at the show? It doesn't bring any attention anymore. It would not be a loss.

True, and it keeps getting cheaper and cheaper it seems.

The bra is specifically made for the person who wears it (it's practically molded to your boobs) and there's no going back and starting new once those diamonds and whatever else are on there

That might have been true in the past, but the bras have bases now. It's been a literal bra with diamonds stuck on top for the last three years. Selita's bra was the Very Sexy Push-Up. Adriana's bra was the Miracle Bra. Marisa's bra was the Very Sexy Plunge Convertible. I wouldn't be surprised if the fantasy bra has an actual size now (like 32B, 34C, 30-something Letter-Something, etc) as opposed to when they had the wires and fancy construction happening, and I would imagine that it's easier now to transfer the bra to a model with a comparable bra size. Give me some cutlets, and I could probably fit Marisa's bra. Hell, give me the same bra and some glitter and I probably could have made it.

If Miranda is the model that needs to be replaced, I don't think they'll have a hard time finding someone else. She's a B cup, and VS has lots of B cups on their roster these days. Candice isn't busty. She's all push-up bras and airbrushing. Since Alessandra lost a lot of weight, her cups have deflated right along with her.

May = Adriana still carrying baby weight through the bust? Bra wouldn't fit several months after losing the weight... the cups would start to swim on her.

Now if Adriana does get the bra, and chances are strong she will... I can promise you that they are going to have to refit the bra every 3 to 5 weeks as little by little she's going to continue to drop sizes. There is one other option for getting her breast back to a normal size in about a month... pills to dry her up, however then she couldn't feed the baby, and I honestly don't see Adriana doing that.

I would agree with your statement if we were talking about a natural girl, whose real breast would obviously shrink after she drops the baby weight.

In may adriana was ALMOST her previous weight (shows between 06-08), and also her boobs have implants, so there are not going to get extra small, obviously, so i dont see what the fuss is about.

if it's a question of mm or cm, i bet the could fix that, once they have the base for the bra. the chesty girls aremt that much different from one another, except of course, Marissa and Heidi with extreme boobs.

if miranda got the fantasy bra, and she knew she was going to get the fb this year i am sure she's not going to try to get preg, she would take care of herself, i am sure she would want to wear the fb, and if she wants to get preg, i am sure she would wait till after the vs, to get preg. well lets hope this is the case.

i really think ale deserve the bra, i hope miranda is not preg gets the bra this year. hope adri don't get the bra, and if she does get the bra i'll shoot myself.

^lool...why dont you want her to get the bra? she's only had it once...and the bra was wack...i think she needs to have it again and better quality

cuz she already got it, and it won't be fair to the other models.

The bra is specifically made for the person who wears it (it's practically molded to your boobs) and there's no going back and starting new once those diamonds and whatever else are on there

That might have been true in the past, but the bras have bases now. It's been a literal bra with diamonds stuck on top for the last three years. Selita's bra was the Very Sexy Push-Up. Adriana's bra was the Miracle Bra. Marisa's bra was the Very Sexy Plunge Convertible. I wouldn't be surprised if the fantasy bra has an actual size now (like 32B, 34C, 30-something Letter-Something, etc) as opposed to when they had the wires and fancy construction happening, and I would imagine that it's easier now to transfer the bra to a model with a comparable bra size. Give me some cutlets, and I could probably fit Marisa's bra. Hell, give me the same bra and some glitter and I probably could have made it.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot about the base.