Football

[GOCHO]

Navarro (N)

All the attacking teams are gone (Manyoo don't tend to be so adventurous in Europe, even in their own backyard so I don't count them as an attacking team). It sucks...this round had too many good ties and in the end the rest of the competition will probably suffer

and I don't condone what Navarro did as well <_< He tried to outsprint Cordoba...silly man :trout: Do you know why there was a fight in the first place? *puts house down on Materazzi*

Materazzi had nothin to do with it actually.

Marchena insulted Burdisso. Burdisso insulted Marchena back. Navarro came from behind, broke Burdisso nose and ran off. Then, HELL.

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Materazzi had nothin to do with it actually.

Marchena insulted Burdisso. Burdisso insulted Marchena back. Navarro came from behind, broke Burdisso nose and ran off. Then, HELL.

you can't be serious

I feel sorry for Burdisso. Navarro had nothing to do with it...what the hell was he doing on the pitch attacking people? <_< I feel ashamed to be a Valencia fan all of a sudden

[red_ed]

i donno about that much history, and sometime i wonder why people learn so much about which player has played for the team and what match was considered as a classic. since at that time they weren't born! so how do they know that match was great!? <_<

i will know a few of the greatest players who have played for my clubs, but i would never mention the games that was before me, or even before i start watching football

anyway, just my opinion^^

i think they should put downing on the left and lennon on the right, as i love the speedy players.

haven't seen much of joe cole, but i am sure he will be back to his best in no time^^

and of cos, van der vaart.

*sigh* you sound just like my Arsenal friend and I hate doing this because now I have to type out an essay. So here goes...

I'm not just a Liverpool fan, I'm a fan of futbol and I appreciate it's history because it influences how the game is played today. Say you went out with an older partner and you noticed they had a scar on their body. Say the scar came from an experience when they were young (and when you weren't born) that shaped how they were as a person, psychologically so to speak. Would you want to know about that scar and how it influenced the development of your partner? It's not the best analogy but it should suffice. That is the same way I feel about futbol. You don't need to be old to appreciate some things (though most of the time it helps in understanding the context). Having knowledge of your club and futbol in general also makes for good conversation and bonding between fans. It is just something that has developed naturally for me at least. And there's no harm in listening to someone else tell you about how great a player was, so long as you think about what they've said and try to filter out any bias (Although it would be good to be able to see all the matches in the past and judge for yourself). I just look for games and clips on the internet when I feel like watching stuff from the past. Hard to find though

Also, futbol is not just a sport in my opinion, it is cultural thing as well. The best example is probably La Liga, where culture and sport are infused into one. Understanding cultural events such as the Spanish Civil War help you understand why the rivalries between clubs are so intense. To them, it is not just a sport, it is something more than that, e.g. Did you know that Barcelona was the last state to fall in the Civil War and was the symbol of freedom and democracy against Franco's faschist regime? Or (for an English example) that prior to last year's final matchday drama where Arsenal beat Tottenham to 4th spot (in the shadiest of circumstances I might add), that it actually happened a very long time ago. Back then I think both clubs were fighting for promotion into Division 1 or something and Spurs finished in the last promotion spot but Arsenal got promoted ahead of them (also under shady circumstances - corruption it has been speculated). Something more significant to you might be the 1958 (?) Munich air disaster.

Understanding the history of futbol let's a fan appreciate a lot more of what they see. As a modern example, you can see that the tactics employed partially by Rafa Benitez and Frank Rijkaard have been heavily influenced by the tactics employed by Arrigo Sacchi when he built the Milan side of the early 90s (Rijkaard was a part of the Sacchi's Milan side, while Benitez was an admirer of that team early in his managerial development). There are also hints of total futbol, although with the specialisation that occurs in football positions/roles today, it is not as evident.

Anyway, there are probably some points I've missed but those are probably the main points. Futbol is more than an interest or hobby...I don't even think religion would really be a good comparison If all that doesn't do it for you, then you can at least watch this clip of "The Backheel of Old Trafford" It's so classy

The match ended 3-2 to Madrid as they knocked Manyoo out of the Champions League. It is known because it was the match in which Roy Keane, at the pinnacle of his powers, was completely overshadowed, outplayed and outwitted by Redondo.

and I like Cole more than Downing Cole is a great carrier of the ball and when he goes infield he can make a lot of really good passes since his game has matured under Mourinho (Y) That also allow Cashley to come up and deliver crosses if need be. Downing... I've never seen him play for England but I don't think he can carry the ball as well as Cole and he's too small to run infield...Ashley's stamina wouldn't be used as effectively if he were to play. Also, without a ball carrier you might have a team that ends up like... like... Liverpool :| Let's all avoid that

van der Vaart

ok...essay over

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u mean something like 30 games without winning?

just kidding.

i am sure we will end your "good" records though

well you ended our 30 game undefeated run at Anfield (if you don't count cup comps...Arsenal :persuazn:) so boo to Manyoo

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aww poor you

anyway, john o'shea has been doing some crazy stuff lately! scoring in the last minute, play in goal, what's next?

Being in goals again and heading to the opposition box to score a winner in the last minute of stoppage time

[red_ed]

congratulation ed! and all the liverpool fans!

and so proud of celtic!!!!

Did you see Milan's match stats? 38 shots total, 9 on goal :|

[red_ed]

Barca might go after Valencia's Albelda this summer!

I'd love for them to sign him, he'll solve our problem in the middle of the park. No more need to use Motta in that role then.

[red_ed]

Real are the best I wonder who will win the CL this year? Chelsea? Man U?

Liverpool vs Valencia final please I'll be happy and depressed at the final whistle

[SympathysSilhouette]

Anyway, there are probably some points I've missed but those are probably the main points. Futbol is more than an interest or hobby...I don't even think religion would really be a good comparison If all that doesn't do it for you, then you can at least watch this clip of "The Backheel of Old Trafford" It's so classy

The match ended 3-2 to Madrid as they knocked Manyoo out of the Champions League. It is known because it was the match in which Roy Keane, at the pinnacle of his powers, was completely overshadowed, outplayed and outwitted by Redondo.

The great thing about that game was that most expert predicted that Madrid had no chance after the first game had ended 0-0 at Santiago Bernabeu. But Raul said he was confident they were going to beat Real, and then the Madrid midfield completely outplayed the Man united midfield. Redondo is one of the few Real players I really really like. One of the most classy players ever, both on and off the pitch.

[red_ed]

I should try to find the full game of that match...doubt anyone will be uploading it though but if I do I'll post it here if any wants it

[SympathysSilhouette]

Hey Ed, what are the best footie games you ever watched live on TV?

Mine would be:

Holland-Czech Republic @ Euro 2004

Portugal-England @ Euro 2000

Dortmund-Juventus 1997 CL final

Deportiva La Coruna- AC Milan 2004 CL quarter final second leg game

Ajax - Bayern Munich 1995 CL semi-final second leg game

There's more, but that's what I can think off right now.

[SympathysSilhouette]

Barca supporters did themselves proud in Liverpool

[red_ed]

OMG why the hell did we draw PSV? <_<

Milan v Bayern

PSV v Liverpool (defensive vs defensive, JOY! <_<)

Chelsea v Valencia

Manyoo v Roma

If we beat PSV, we can face Chelsea or, hopefully, Valencia. I think Valencia can win it if we don't let Chelsea play too directly through Drogba. It'll be great to have Liverpool vs Valencia, but also really sad to know that one of them will get knocked out if that match happens I'm banking on Roma and Milan...then Roma vs Liverpool in the final

[Ange]

OMG why the hell did we draw PSV? <_<

Milan v Bayern

PSV v Liverpool (defensive vs defensive, JOY! <_< )

Chelsea v Valencia

Manyoo v Roma

If we beat PSV, we can face Chelsea or, hopefully, Valencia. I think Valencia can win it if we don't let Chelsea play too directly through Drogba. It'll be great to have Liverpool vs Valencia, but also really sad to know that one of them will get knocked out if that match happens I'm banking on Roma and Milan...then Roma vs Liverpool in the final

I cannot wait! Sounds like great draws. I hope...

Milan, Liverpool, Valencia and Man U all advance. Valencia and Liverpool would actually be a good game, but I'd rather see in the final Man U versus Valencia. I hope Chelsea lose. ugh I don't like them at all.

[TeeKay]

i donno about that much history, and sometime i wonder why people learn so much about which player has played for the team and what match was considered as a classic. since at that time they weren't born! so how do they know that match was great!? <_<

i will know a few of the greatest players who have played for my clubs, but i would never mention the games that was before me, or even before i start watching football

anyway, just my opinion^^

i think they should put downing on the left and lennon on the right, as i love the speedy players.

haven't seen much of joe cole, but i am sure he will be back to his best in no time^^

and of cos, van der vaart.

*sigh* you sound just like my Arsenal friend and I hate doing this because now I have to type out an essay. So here goes...

I'm not just a Liverpool fan, I'm a fan of futbol and I appreciate it's history because it influences how the game is played today. Say you went out with an older partner and you noticed they had a scar on their body. Say the scar came from an experience when they were young (and when you weren't born) that shaped how they were as a person, psychologically so to speak. Would you want to know about that scar and how it influenced the development of your partner? It's not the best analogy but it should suffice. That is the same way I feel about futbol. You don't need to be old to appreciate some things (though most of the time it helps in understanding the context). Having knowledge of your club and futbol in general also makes for good conversation and bonding between fans. It is just something that has developed naturally for me at least. And there's no harm in listening to someone else tell you about how great a player was, so long as you think about what they've said and try to filter out any bias (Although it would be good to be able to see all the matches in the past and judge for yourself). I just look for games and clips on the internet when I feel like watching stuff from the past. Hard to find though

Also, futbol is not just a sport in my opinion, it is cultural thing as well. The best example is probably La Liga, where culture and sport are infused into one. Understanding cultural events such as the Spanish Civil War help you understand why the rivalries between clubs are so intense. To them, it is not just a sport, it is something more than that, e.g. Did you know that Barcelona was the last state to fall in the Civil War and was the symbol of freedom and democracy against Franco's faschist regime? Or (for an English example) that prior to last year's final matchday drama where Arsenal beat Tottenham to 4th spot (in the shadiest of circumstances I might add), that it actually happened a very long time ago. Back then I think both clubs were fighting for promotion into Division 1 or something and Spurs finished in the last promotion spot but Arsenal got promoted ahead of them (also under shady circumstances - corruption it has been speculated). Something more significant to you might be the 1958 (?) Munich air disaster.

Understanding the history of futbol let's a fan appreciate a lot more of what they see. As a modern example, you can see that the tactics employed partially by Rafa Benitez and Frank Rijkaard have been heavily influenced by the tactics employed by Arrigo Sacchi when he built the Milan side of the early 90s (Rijkaard was a part of the Sacchi's Milan side, while Benitez was an admirer of that team early in his managerial development). There are also hints of total futbol, although with the specialisation that occurs in football positions/roles today, it is not as evident.

Anyway, there are probably some points I've missed but those are probably the main points. Futbol is more than an interest or hobby...I don't even think religion would really be a good comparison If all that doesn't do it for you, then you can at least watch this clip of "The Backheel of Old Trafford" It's so classy

The match ended 3-2 to Madrid as they knocked Manyoo out of the Champions League. It is known because it was the match in which Roy Keane, at the pinnacle of his powers, was completely overshadowed, outplayed and outwitted by Redondo.

and I like Cole more than Downing Cole is a great carrier of the ball and when he goes infield he can make a lot of really good passes since his game has matured under Mourinho (Y) That also allow Cashley to come up and deliver crosses if need be. Downing... I've never seen him play for England but I don't think he can carry the ball as well as Cole and he's too small to run infield...Ashley's stamina wouldn't be used as effectively if he were to play. Also, without a ball carrier you might have a team that ends up like... like... Liverpool :| Let's all avoid that

van der Vaart

ok...essay over

hey ed, after reading your essay, i couldn't have agreed more, and whilst trying to think about what history of football i actually know myself, i am surprised that in fact i know quite a lot!

that is a good comparison^^

without embarrassing myself, from what i've learnt about the Madrid rivalry is all about the "royal" staus that Real Madrid has got, for some reason i couldn't quite recall^^

you are right ed, knowing the history not only enables you to be able to communicate with fellow football fans in the world but also help to understand certain culture in coutries^^

that backheel was awesome, but did manutd beat madrid in the second leg? since that was the season when they won the treble?

[Angel717]

Barca supporters did themselves proud in Liverpool

That is amazing! the respect of the two sides not only by the players, as well as the fans!

wow, at first i thought Liverpool dreams and chances of regaining the title were long lost after knowing that they will face Barca....

but damn, my team just made me so proud when we beat them!!!!!!!!!

Love Barcelona! but i guess we turned out the better team that day..

anywayz, congratz to the both of them Great game!

Liverpool,yep..we're on a roll!

[SympathysSilhouette]

you are right ed, knowing the history not only enables you to be able to communicate with fellow football fans in the world but also help to understand certain culture in coutries^^

that backheel was awesome, but did manutd beat madrid in the second leg? since that was the season when they won the treble?

No, this was the second leg. The first leg had ended 0-0. They won the trebble in 1999, this was in 2000.

[TeeKay]

you are right ed, knowing the history not only enables you to be able to communicate with fellow football fans in the world but also help to understand certain culture in coutries^^

that backheel was awesome, but did manutd beat madrid in the second leg? since that was the season when they won the treble?

No, this was the second leg. The first leg had ended 0-0. They won the trebble in 1999, this was in 2000.

ah yes, i got it mixed up with 98/99 and 99/00 :yuckky:

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Hey Ed, what are the best footie games you ever watched live on TV?

Mine would be:

Holland-Czech Republic @ Euro 2004

Portugal-England @ Euro 2000

Dortmund-Juventus 1997 CL final

Deportiva La Coruna- AC Milan 2004 CL quarter final second leg game

Ajax - Bayern Munich 1995 CL semi-final second leg game

There's more, but that's what I can think off right now.

My memory is so poor that I don't I can even remember EURO2004 bar Cech and the Czechs oh and the France-England game

But the Brasil vs France FIFA Centenary match springs to mind...that's it though :|

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hey ed, after reading your essay, i couldn't have agreed more, and whilst trying to think about what history of football i actually know myself, i am surprised that in fact i know quite a lot!

that is a good comparison^^

without embarrassing myself, from what i've learnt about the Madrid rivalry is all about the "royal" staus that Real Madrid has got, for some reason i couldn't quite recall^^

you are right ed, knowing the history not only enables you to be able to communicate with fellow football fans in the world but also help to understand certain culture in coutries^^

that backheel was awesome, but did manutd beat madrid in the second leg? since that was the season when they won the treble?

There's a lot of history there. I was watching a documentary about Madrid-Barca rivalry but I don't remember half the things I heard in the programme However, I do know that in Madrid's trophy museum they even have a 1932 Chess Champions trophy in there somewhere

I thought you won the treble the season before