The "What Are You Thinking About Right Now?" PIP

[PrettyDeadThings]

I never cared:

-I never cared if you were gay until you started shoving it in my face, and the faces of our children.

-I never cared what color you were, until you started blaming my race for your problems.

-I never cared about your political affiliation until you started to condemn me for mine.

-I never cared where you were born until you wanted to erase my history and blame my ancestors for your current problems.

-I never cared if you were well-off or poor, until you said you were discriminated against, when I was promoted because I worked harder.

-I never cared if your beliefs were different from mine, until you said my beliefs were wrong.

Now I care!

My patience and tolerance are gone.

I’m not alone in feeling this way, there are tens of millions of us who do......and we have had enough!!

[PrettyDeadThings]

 

[Stromboli1]

The BB has become realer as the days go by which is true and sad for the people who are suffering.

 

 

 

[CandleVixen]

On 8/30/2020 at 9:14 AM, Stromboli1 said:

America is burning leading up to the election and will continue to burn no matter who wins.

 

Certain politicians are basically praising the violence.

The situation is very sad, and frustrating, because it would seem that the rational humans are not being “represented” or speaking up. 
 

 

[CandleVixen]

On 8/30/2020 at 4:47 PM, Enrico_sw said:

 

Politicization of every topic + bipolarization of politics + considering that folks on the other side are all psychos + politicians drunk with power + politicians with no beliefs/values/empathy + biased media = the recipe for civil war.

Does anyone else think that “The Purge” movies are about to happen, starting in November?

 

Except that it won’t be for one night a year. It will be 24/7/365

[Stromboli1]

7 minutes ago, CandleVixen said:

The situation is very sad, and frustrating, because it would seem that the rational humans are not being “represented” or speaking up.

 

Cause they're afraid of being cancelled. If more and more people spoke up it would turn the tide.

 

The MSM are gas lighting the division in the country, with SJW/PC culture, ANTIFA, BLM, Far Left lunacy, Trump is the cause of all the problems, rioting,, looting, and the Democrats are listening to them.

[CandleVixen]

9 hours ago, Prettyphile said:

I never cared:

...

Now I care!

My patience and tolerance are gone.

I’m not alone in feeling this way, there are tens of millions of us who do......and we have had enough!!

Very well said. I agree with this too. 

[CandleVixen]

2 hours ago, Stromboli1 said:

The BB has become realer as the days go by which is true and sad for the people who are suffering.

 

 

 

That is so stupid. 

[Cult Icon]

On 8/30/2020 at 5:38 PM, Enrico_sw said:

@Cult Icon I started to play Ghost of Tsushima this weekend. So far, I love it. They really managed to capture the Japanese spirit IMHO.

 

I don't know if I'll have much time to play it, but I'll try.

 

did you use the japanese voices ?  The japanese voice actor for Jin is "hardcore" and more authentic.  

 

this game has been a huge success, a big budget sequel is likely.  GOT has a lot of promise.

[CandleVixen]

5 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

 

Cause they're afraid of being cancelled. If more and more people spoke up it would turn the tide.

 

The MSM are gas lighting the division in the country, with SJW/PC culture, Trump is the cause of all the problems, rioting,, looting, and the Democrats are listening to them.

I did forget about the cancel cult-ure (culture). 
 

[Stromboli1]

7 minutes ago, CandleVixen said:

I did forget about the cancel cult-ure (culture).

 

All the craziness of the far left with their overt racism is going to embolden the real far right.

[CandleVixen]

3 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

 

All the craziness of the far left with their overt racism is going to embolden the real far right.

I’m old enough to remember when this country was a “true”  two party voting system; Republican and Democrat. 
 

Then came the Individual and Libertarian, and the terms started popping up with the liberal/progressive  and staunch/hardcore sides. 
 

They were all placed in a blender and almost overnight there was such division between each party. 
 

One other thing that I dislike about our country’s voting system is the Electoral College. 

[Cult Icon]

On 8/29/2020 at 5:57 PM, Enrico_sw said:

 

Aristotle's ethics are virtue ethics. Nietzsche's ethics are mostly about questionning the values of values. He's a moral relativist. I know some people say his ethics are an instance of virtue ethics, but I disagree. As much as he praises (directly or not) Aristotle, he's also very critical of him.

 

If you look at the concept of Amor Fati (a key concept in Nietzsche's philosophy), you'll see that he's much closer to buddhism than you think (he said that he could be the Buddha of Europe - though he criticizes Buddhims right after... but that's how he is, skeptical). Also, Nietzsche doesn't prescribe much, because he thinks that a philosophy is mostly a confession of its author.

 

Nietzsche hated anti-semitism. He described himself as an anti-anti-semite. He despised the antisemtes, he saw them as mediocre people full of resentment. His sister and brother in law were antisemites (that's why he had arguments with them). Also, he liked Wagner when he was young (music is at the center of his philosophy - that's partly why I like him), but he ended up hating him later because Wagner became an antisemite. So, he's really far away from nazi values.

 

As for the Übermensch (the superman), the Nazis (and his sister) really didn't understand what it's about.

 

A few things:

 

 

1. Schopenhauer's core concepts in Will and Representations look rather plagiarized from Hinduism and Buddhism particularly those that regard suffering, desire, cessation of suffering, emptiness, and aestheticism as the path towards the cessation of suffering.   However he is more pessimistic than the Buddhists/Hindus as they focus their education and training  on obtaining complete enlightenment, which results in an altered mental state which is extremely resilient to suffering and and has the baseline mood of happy.  Schopenhauer did not believe in enlightenment and thought aestheticism was the path.   The Buddha rejected aestheticism prior to establishing his Sangha and the Pali Canon ( a few centuries before Christ) has the "Middle way" as the doctrine.  

 

2. To my understanding  Nietzche was largely in agreement with these things of Schopenhauer but he turn a sharp turn towards heroism and egotism.  His concepts are hard-ass and heroic concepts.   The superman is an extremely ambitious goal, I can see it possible in real life but it is really for very strong people who will suffer tremendously, and it sounds like something that could take decades to achieve. 

 

This is why I say that Nietzsche's philosophical/psychological theories have this heroic aura to them that resemble that of the Aristotelian "great man" who is also a tough guy with an ego/sense of honor.  In contrast, Ego is considered by the stoics and the Buddhists to be a severe mental weakness as it is fragile and causes all sorts of wrong actions/desires and suffering.

 

 IMHO this is a wrong view, the way of the Buddhists/Hindus to achieve happiness is far more achievable by normal people.  Enlightenment is a project that takes X,XXX hours for an ordinary person with training and meditation practice, people under the guidance of a master can do in the time it takes to earn a college degree.

 

3. Amor Fati, love your fate, is not what Buddhism would prescribe.  They favor being indifferent to fate and the complete destruction of the ego, living life with great compassion to other "sentient beings" and ready to die at any second.   This is something I also notice in Nietzche's core concepts is the lack of compassion and importance placed on it.  Both the Buddhists and Schopenhauer see compassion/egolessness as naturally arising from understanding the true nature of desire, suffering, and emptiness.

 

4.  The Nazis and Adolf Hitler have something in common with Nietzsche- a great admiration for the Greeks and an affinity for heroism and ambition.  The Nazi party , SS-State, Stormtroopers, and Nazi art was culturally a mixture of  German nationalism, Greek/Roman cultural exploitation (eg. Neoclassical architecture, monuments, Roman imperial regalia, rituals, sculpture, etc.), Germanic paganism/Vikings, and modernism.    

 

IIRC Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler has a strange perspective of presenting himself as a embattled superman who founded the NAZI movement.  Hitler had read Nietzche as a young man but according to biographers IIRC he didn't quite understand it. 

 

Yes, Nietzsche was not a racist, however he comes across as an elitist.  The "Last Man" is a rather pessimistic and cruel (frankly rather stupid) concept.

[Stromboli1]

12 minutes ago, CandleVixen said:

I’m old enough to remember when this country was a “true”  two party voting system; Republican and Democrat. 
 

Then came the Individual and Libertarian, and the terms started popping up with the liberal/progressive  and staunch/hardcore sides. 
 

They were all placed in a blender and almost overnight there was such division between each party.

 

I don't really like the Democratic and Republican parties, we need a multi party system here which I don't know if it'll work. Both parties are stale and are devoid of new ideas for a world that is constantly evolving. Need term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court. I kind like the idea I read that you only get 20 years total as a federal politician which be mixed and matched if need be.

 

16 minutes ago, CandleVixen said:

One other thing that I dislike about our country’s voting system is the Electoral College. 

 

I like the Electoral College, but it definitely has it's faults though.

[Cult Icon]

reorganized my audiobook schedule:

 

1.  existential phenomenology (Huesserl/Heidegger/Sarte/Ponty) Being and Time, Tons of lecture content on youtube.

2. a little traditional philosophy (Menzi, Confucious Analects, Cicero On duties, Hagakure, Five Rings)

3.  Nietzsche's works

 

[Cult Icon]

found a scholarly analysis of this on youtube.  I'll listen to it later:

 

http://www.stephenhicks.org/nietzsche-and-the-nazis/

 

 

[PrettyDeadThings]

 

About sums it up...

 

[SympathysSilhouette]

22 hours ago, Stromboli1 said:

The BB has become realer as the days go by which is true and sad for the people who are suffering.

 

 

 

 

I thought American burning was Joseph Biden's fault!

 

[SympathysSilhouette]

19 hours ago, Stromboli1 said:

 

I like the Electoral College, but it definitely has it's faults though.

 

Weirder (to me at least) than the electoral college is the fact that Wyoming (population 570K) has the same amount of senators as California (population just under 40 million).

 

So the two California senators represent 70x as many people as their counterparts from Wyoming. And this is supposed to make sense because...

 

I'm aware of the so-called Connecticut compromise, but we are now well over 200 years later, the population realities in the U.S. are vastly different than they were back then.

[Enrico_sw]

9 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

found a scholarly analysis of this on youtube.  I'll listen to it later:

 

http://www.stephenhicks.org/nietzsche-and-the-nazis/

 

 

 

The best book on Nietzsche and the nazis is "Le songe d'Eichmann", by Michel Onfray. I'm sure there is a translation in English (Onfray has been translated in many languages).

http://www.editions-galilee.fr/f/index.php?sp=liv&livre_id=3018