some days it’s hard to really care for FiL. 

 

#dementiaIsFun #

10 hours ago, Michael* said:

it's equally unanimous in admitting to only having a rudimentary understanding of how genetics, hormones and environment factor into brain development. They know biology is a big part of it though, and biology doesn't always cleanly divide people into two sexes.

 

Nothing in what you say suggests that a 3 year old can make life changing decisions, which is the main point.

 

Biology clearly defines the 2 sexes, with very rare exceptions, like intersex (e.g. XXY or other kind, that are 0.0x% of the population). If you talk about brain development, fair enough, but that still doesn't mean that a 3 year old is fit for big decisions and when people have few knowledge of stuff (like in sociology) the best approach is to be careful with these things.

 

They plead rudimentary knowledge (not all of the PC pundits do it BTW) and yet they use this little knowledge to make big changes in real life. One shouldn't make "social engineering" without extreme prudence.

1 hour ago, Enrico_sw said:

Nothing in what you say suggests that a 3 year old can make life changing decisions, which is the main point.

 

Biology clearly defines the 2 sexes, with very rare exceptions, like intersex (e.g. XXY or other kind, that are 0.0x% of the population). If you talk about brain development, fair enough, but that still doesn't mean that a 3 year old is fit for big decisions and when people have few knowledge of stuff (like in sociology) the best approach is to be careful with these things.

 

They plead rudimentary knowledge (not all of the PC pundits do it BTW) and yet they use this little knowledge to make big changes in real life. One shouldn't make "social engineering" without extreme prudence.

 

I didn't say anything pertaining to the Theron case at all, as that wasn't really the question I was asked.

 

But regarding the main point, there seems to be a widespread belief on here, and I'm not sure why, that the decision is an irreversible one, when nothing could be further from the truth. If the whole thing turns out to be a phase, the kid can just go back to being a boy. I don't see what the problem is.

 

Much of this discussion has already devolved into assumptions of "they're giving hormones to kids" and statements like "leave his penis unchopped", which completely ignore the reality of the situation. Nobody gives hormones to kids, and even puberty blockers aren't typically prescribed until much later. By which time, I think it's safe to say whether the adolescent knows if they are transgender or not.

16 minutes ago, Michael* said:

Much of this discussion has already devolved into assumptions of "they're giving hormones to kids"

 

Nobody talked about hormones. How does it have anything to do with our initial discussion? Why caricaturing?

 

17 minutes ago, Michael* said:

statements like "leave his penis unchopped"

 

SuperG. Girl said that. It was one statement and... I think it was satirical and not to be taken literally.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

SuperG. Girl said that. It was one statement and... I think it was satirical and not to be taken literally.

 

It's to be taken literally ......... I'm a strong advocate of the penis integrity movement. You should never crop the penis under any occasion  

3 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

Nobody talked about hormones. How does it have anything to do with our initial discussion? Why caricaturing?

 

You're right, I'm aware that nobody used the word "hormones". That was what I believed was being implied from the tone of the discussion and the referencing of irreversible life changing decisions, but I should have asked for clarification. However if my initial reaction was indeed wide of the mark, and the discussion we're having is literally only about a little boy who professes to feel more like a girl, then I still don't see a problem with letting them do what makes them happy. As I said, if the whole thing turns out to be a phase, the kid can just go back to being a boy.

After a little more than a month without doing weights... this is going to hurt tomorrow  

20 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

Look, I usually enjoy reading your posts, you're funny and all, but I don't understand you here. You questioned us and we replied, with arguments. I haven't seen any response aside from drawing a line to separate the good ones and the others.

 

We can agree to disagree, but I remember a time where civil disagreement was valued.

 

Anyway...

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Because i disagree with everything you answered to me and I really do not see the point of quoting what you said to tell you why you are wrong and then you will quote me to tell me why I am wrong. Dead end discussion.  I told you what I think in my first message. And, you quoted me to basically say what you already said  in your original message about Charlize & her child.

I personally think she is doing nothing wrong. 

 

And I like you too

@Sunshiine each time I quickly scroll pass your avatar I see the cover of Revolver (Beatles)     

@Stormbringer ooh, not a bad thing at all then what is your favorite album? 

I went to see a «fake» beatles performance last month. they were pretty good! I wasn't expecting them to be that good. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_NZBkXVV6M

 

21 hours ago, Michael* said:

I think I'm right in thinking that the scientific community verges on unanimousness in its assessment of climate change, and that it's equally unanimous in admitting to only having a rudimentary understanding of how genetics, hormones and environment factor into brain development. They know biology is a big part of it though, and biology doesn't always cleanly divide people into two sexes.

 

Academia is biased and can't report their case studies truthfully because of fears of certain groups that harass, call for their funding to be cut, them to be fired, etc just because it doesn't fit their narrative. I've read that certain academics are afraid to publish their case studies for the reasons I listed above.

 

I'm all about truth not being shut down because they'll hurt feelings.

Just now, Sunshiine said:

@Stormbringer ooh, not a bad thing at all then what is your favorite album? 

I went to see a «fake» beatles performance last month. they were pretty good! I wasn't expecting them to be that good. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_NZBkXVV6M

 

 

The White Album, by far!  

What's yours?

 

They actually sound quite good!

Nice to see they also use the gear The Beatles actually used.

9 hours ago, Michael* said:

I didn't say anything pertaining to the Theron case at all, as that wasn't really the question I was asked.

 

But regarding the main point, there seems to be a widespread belief on here, and I'm not sure why, that the decision is an irreversible one, when nothing could be further from the truth. If the whole thing turns out to be a phase, the kid can just go back to being a boy. I don't see what the problem is.

 

Much of this discussion has already devolved into assumptions of "they're giving hormones to kids" and statements like "leave his penis unchopped", which completely ignore the reality of the situation. Nobody gives hormones to kids, and even puberty blockers aren't typically prescribed until much later. By which time, I think it's safe to say whether the adolescent knows if they are transgender or not.

 

They definitely give hormone blockers to kids to delay puberty. Once the penis and boobs get chopped off it isn't the same getting fake replacements. What about the thoughts about mutilating their bodies. 

8 hours ago, SuperG.Girl said:

It's to be taken literally ......... I'm a strong advocate of the penis integrity movement. You should never crop the penis under any occasion  

 

That's because fake penii aren't the same as real ones like asses and boobs.

1 hour ago, frenchkiki said:

Because i disagree with everything you answered to me and I really do not see the point of quoting what you said to tell you why you are wrong and then you will quote me to tell me why I am wrong. Dead end discussion.  I told you what I think in my first message. And, you quoted me to basically say what you already said  in your original message about Charlize & her child. 

I personally think she is doing nothing wrong. 

 

And I like you too

 

Charlize can do the whatever the fuck she wants with her kids. Just don't think the kid has the maturity to make that kind of decision at that age without being able to comprehend all the factors that go into that decision.

5 hours ago, Stormbringer said:

After a little more than a month without doing weights... this is going to hurt tomorrow  

 

STRETCH!

17 hours ago, CandleVixen said:

 some days it’s hard to really care for FiL. 

 

#dementiaIsFun #

 

That sucks!

 

If this is true this could be a game changer for CTE, dementia, Alzheimer's, muscular dystrophy, etc.

 

 

16 hours ago, Stromboli1 said:

 

STRETCH!

 

I did.

 

22 hours ago, Stormbringer said:

After a little more than a month without doing weights... this is going to hurt tomorrow  

 

It actually hurts less than I thought it would  

On 4/23/2019 at 10:45 PM, frenchkiki said:

Because i disagree with everything you answered to me and I really do not see the point of quoting what you said to tell you why you are wrong and then you will quote me to tell me why I am wrong. Dead end discussion.  I told you what I think in my first message. And, you quoted me to basically say what you already said  in your original message about Charlize & her child.

I personally think she is doing nothing wrong. 

 

And I like you too

 

Alright then, so we agree to disagree

 

Since la musique adoucit les mœurs (and j'en ai marre d'écrire en anglais...), I'll share this piece with you (the expression "dead end" made me think of it...) I love the album cover and his music is really interesting (it's somehow trip hop / electro, but mixed with different inspirations: sometimes jazzy stuff, sometimes Indian stuff or sometimes crazy stuff)

Spoiler

 

 

On 4/23/2019 at 4:43 PM, Michael* said:

the discussion we're having is literally only about a little boy who professes to feel more like a girl, then I still don't see a problem with letting them do what makes them happy. As I said, if the whole thing turns out to be a phase, the kid can just go back to being a boy.

 

Alright, let's focus on this then. I can see two problems with that (I'm afraid I'm gonna ramble on again , but anyway, I'll add a song to this conversation and then everything will sound less entropic ).

Spoiler

 

 

Here goes:

 

- first, it's not the kid who decides at home, it's the parents (and it should be even clearer since she's a single mom). Child psychologist usually explain that a kid is looking for a framework from his parents. If the parents condone all of the kid's behaviours, then the child is lost in the end (not to mention that he may become a small tyrant). It doesn't make the kid happy to be the king. He doesn't know the world, he needs someone to explain him how stuff work.

 

- secondly, the world is not a safe haven. It can be harsh sometimes. Life won't be easy for the son of a famous actress and it will be harder if he becomes transgender. So, it will be an unnecessary tough experience for him, not to mention that he may have not wanted it in the first place (it might've been a kid's game). I say: let him grow an armour, understand the world, know what things are (in a sense become a grownup) and then he can do whatever he wants.

Whatever social utopias say (they usually end up in social nightmares), the world will always be a jungle in which you have to grow strong (mentally at least) to live well. Providing safe spaces is rarely a rendered service. 

 

Let people grow strong (=adult) and know the jungle, then they become who they are.