The "What Are You Thinking About Right Now?" PIP

[Sanni]

It’ll be very interesting to find out who voted for Trump. Their age, education level, sex, income, race, religion. My prediction is that the voters were less educated.

 

Did the black community stay home instead of voting this time around? Did Hispanics vote against Trump but there wasn’t enough of them especially if Clinton wasn’t able to mobilize enough male voters?

[frenchkiki]

Quoting myself

 

4 minutes ago, frenchkiki said:

What other woman could? ^^

 

 

[Cult Icon]

5 minutes ago, Sanni said:

It’ll be very interesting to find out who voted for Trump. Their age, education level, sex, income, race, religion. My prediction is that the voters were less educated.

 

 

Pre-election it was generally middle age/old, less educated, less money, white, male, christian.  That was his core base plus non-financial business people (entrepreneurs) or those employed by blue collar industries.  Also the military.

 

"Less educated" doesn't mean that their votes count less and they are subhuman- this is a critical and rather snobby way that Trump voters were depicted by the media and may have lead to some level of alienation.  The media and american education tend to glorify white collar professional work and demean blue collar. I am curious as to why independents swung more toward Trump (people who voted for Obama now voted for Trump).  I believe it has to do with the general lower quality of life and employment in the US.

[PrettyDeadThings]

13 minutes ago, Sanni said:

It’ll be very interesting to find out who voted for Trump. Their age, education level, sex, income, race, religion. My prediction is that the voters were less educated.

 

Did the black community stay home instead of voting this time around? Did Hispanics vote against Trump but there wasn’t enough of them especially if Clinton wasn’t able to mobilize enough male voters?

 

White

30+

Female

Household Income: 68k (not the end of the year yet, so might climb into the 70ish k)

Education Level: Merchandising & Marketing with an Associate of Arts degree from FIDM

Religion: Not important, but I'm not a bible thumper in the least

Born in California, was Democrat for 21-23 years of my life but as I got older and I got married I slowly started to swing towards more conservative mind set.... however I still have some very liberal views on Gay Marriage, Marijuana, Woman's Right to Choose ect.

 

So do I get my white privilege badge? o.o

 

 

 

[CandleVixen]

7 hours ago, Myfashexp said:

Republicans won the House, the Senate and the Presidency

 

It's been a while since this happened.  I'm interested in seeing how it's going to work out for us/US again. 

For the record, I did vote, but it didn't count for much of anything.

[CandleVixen]

4 hours ago, SympathysSilhouette said:

Reposted from the Hillary Clinton topic:

 

The long-standing effects of this cannot be overstated. This is almost certainly the end of NATO as we know it. Russian influence in Europe will become much greater.

 

Obviously the DNC underestimated just how many people truly loathed Clinton. I think the lesson here is not to nominate a candidate who has a large section of the electorate already against him/her, even if the reasons for that dislike might not all be entirely fair.

 

A purely tactical error that was made by the Clinton campaign was the manner in which they totally alienated the so-called Bernie Bros. I believe a lot of them stayed home yesterday and a decent amount of them went even further and voted for Trump instead. I think they will soon find out that the scorched earth tactic is a lot more fun in the movies/comic books they so like than it is in real life.

Well said. 

[Sanni]

11 minutes ago, Cult Icon said:

I am curious as to why independents swung more toward Trump (people who voted for Obama now voted for Trump).

 

I think part of that is the two-party system. The pendulum always shifts in the other direction eventually. After eight years of the Democrats being in power and people not being happy with the way things are run, they vote for Republicans hoping for a change. My prediction is that at the very least eight years from now, the Democrats will win.

 

I’d be also curious to find out what beliefs Trump voters generally have. They are probably more likely to believe in “strong” authoritative leaders and hierarchies.

@Prettyphile Well, we’ll see if you are more of an outlier or whether Trump’s voters don’t fit the mould that @Cult Icon described.

[Cult Icon]

23 minutes ago, Sanni said:

 

 

I’d be also curious to find out what beliefs Trump voters generally have. They are probably more likely to believe in “strong” authoritative leaders and hierarchies.

@Prettyphile Well, we’ll see if you are more of an outlier or whether Trump’s voters don’t fit the mould that @Cult Icon described.

 

IMHO the Trump voter wants more 'creative destruction' so to speak.  More violence, more risk, more economic growth/wealth, more dynamism in society.   Infrastructure investments, more warfare (bigger military and war economy), less regulations (more growth but more risk of speculative collapse), more wealth for employees (protectionism).  A general displeasure for the Obama economy.

 

More masculine than traditionally feminine

 

My dad actually gave an interesting explanation as to why he switched from Obama to Trump.

 

[SympathysSilhouette]

46 minutes ago, frenchkiki said:

What other woman could? ^^

 

 

Well prior to this election cycle, I would have suggested Elizabeth Warren, but she might not have hurt her chances with her associating with Clinton in this election.

[SympathysSilhouette]

45 minutes ago, Sanni said:

It’ll be very interesting to find out who voted for Trump. Their age, education level, sex, income, race, religion. My prediction is that the voters were less educated.

 

Did the black community stay home instead of voting this time around? Did Hispanics vote against Trump but there wasn’t enough of them especially if Clinton wasn’t able to mobilize enough male voters?

 

Trump got his votes predominantly from white men and white women (in that order). He was most popular with affluent white men.

Turn-out was generally down across all demographics.

[Sanni]

@Cult Icon I agree with you that the job issue is probably one of the most important things why people voted for Trump. Both candidates were seen as unpopular but if one promises to bring the industry back… Ultimately, what people care about is being able to provide for their families. Going from factory work, which pays fairly well, to low-paid service work has not been easy for the middle and the working class.

[PrettyDeadThings]

5 minutes ago, Sanni said:

@Cult Icon I agree with you that the job issue is probably one of the most important things why people voted for Trump. Both candidates were seen as unpopular but if one promises to bring the industry back… Ultimately, what people care about is being able to provide for their families. Going from factory work, which pays fairly well, to low-paid service work has not been easy for the middle and the working class.

+ 1 I agree. I currently live in the South and job security was one of the biggest things I heard being talked about.

[Sanni]

@SympathysSilhouette I hope that the US is not so conservative that there couldn’t be a female president, just that these two candidates were both seen as poor choices. Perhaps Clinton didn’t appeal to enough male voters and she did not get as strong support from female voters as she would have needed in order to win.

 

It could be that Clinton wasn’t perceived as being genuine enough. Despite Trump’s blatant lies, he might’ve given the impression that he says things as he sees them.

[17 Moments of Spring]

10 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

 

[SympathysSilhouette]

The thing is, Trump can't really do much about the job thing unless he truly goes all protectionist on the US economy.

The irony is that would make a lot more sense if unemployment was higher than its current 4.9%.

International market capitalism really only works well for any individual country if its unemployment rate approaches 0%.

In any other scenario, it's better to make your own shit. And the US is one of the few countries in the world which has the scale, power and wealth to actually put the theory into practice.

But again, this would make more sense if the unemployment numbers were at their 2008 levels.

Also, blue-collar manufacturing jobs will mostly disappear in the West in the next couple of decades, courtesy of the technological realities. That isn't something Trump can do anything about, unless he forces US businesses and manufacturers to hold back progress. I doubt that will happen.

[SympathysSilhouette]

6 minutes ago, Sanni said:

@SympathysSilhouette I hope that the US is not so conservative that there couldn’t be a female president, just that these two candidates were both seen as poor choices. Perhaps Clinton didn’t appeal to enough male voters and she did not get as strong support from female voters as she would have needed in order to win.

 

It could be that Clinton wasn’t perceived as being genuine enough. Despite Trump’s blatant lies, he might’ve given the impression that he says things as he sees them.

 

Clinton came to this thing with 23+ years of baggage. I personally believe some of it was unfair, but the DNC should have taken into consideration how she was starting out with a very negative image compared to a more unblemished candidate. But I personally think her biggest problem is that she isn't a great campaigner. Which has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her not being able to personally engage the electorate the way her husband and Obama can. But there are certainly female politicians who have this skill. e.g. Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland.

[Sanni]

It could be that people felt that they’ve seen what the Democrats can do and what the Clintons can do. Maybe they felt that nothing would change much if Clinton became the president because it’s perceived that some of the changes for the worse were engineered by that group of people. So they voted for Trump to thumb their noses at the establishment.

[17 Moments of Spring]

1 hour ago, Cult Icon said:

 

Hilary handily won in my region which is expected (Democrats always win here).

 

Well, the thing is I thought he would be crushed from 1. Losing the black, hispanic, and asian vote (25%) of the population 2. Losing white women.  3. Losing independents/swing voters- the hidden factor  4.  Financial markets futures.

 

I was wrong on #3. 95% of my social network hates Trump.  Also the media was bullish on Hilary which inevitably influenced my opinion.

 

He also had 53% of white women.

 

 

[Cult Icon]

50 minutes ago, SympathysSilhouette said:

The thing is, Trump can't really do much about the job thing unless he truly goes all protectionist on the US economy.

The irony is that would make a lot more sense if unemployment was higher than its current 4.9%.

International market capitalism really only works well for any individual country if its unemployment rate approaches 0%.

In any other scenario, it's better to make your own shit. And the US is one of the few countries in the world which has the scale, power and wealth to actually put the theory into practice.

But again, this would make more sense if the unemployment numbers were at their 2008 levels.

Also, blue-collar manufacturing jobs will mostly disappear in the West in the next couple of decades, courtesy of the technological realities. That isn't something Trump can do anything about, unless he forces US businesses and manufacturers to hold back progress. I doubt that will happen.

 

Not if they are part of the American war economy or say, a rejuvenated space race.  They would be protected.  Also Trump promised trillions of infrastructure investment.

 

The nuance you are missing is the quality of employment.  American unions collapsed in the 1970s and 1980s.  The quality of employment in the 'gig' economy (a trend that has been going on since the 1970s) spread rapidly during the great recession, making it difficult to raise a family on a middle class wage like prior generations could.  The employee in general- outside of elite skill levels- has been greatly devalued and turned into a commodity.  So a 5% unemployment rate is very different from a 5% unemployment rate in the 1970s or 1980s.  This number includes a lot of short term and low paid employment.  This is coupled by extreme income inequality that came with service-based economy.