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I just watched it on NBC, I missed it originally. I loved the ending, Peter and nathan almost made me shed a tear. I wish me and my brothers had that kind of relationship, always there for each other. I think the roach symbolizes the fact that no matter how much you fucking squash/kill those things(Sylar) they still seem to live. But I never been good at symbolism. The eclipse was great to end with seeing that I always wondered why they had that in the title of the show. I think it is going to mean something like they must stop something before the eclipse happens or once again the world will be in trouble. I think the bad guy the little girl is afraid of is Peter's mother or she works for them, I don't know she just feels like the anti-hero to me.

Did anyone noticed the fact that the symbol that appears on the Heroes shoulders was the same symbol that was on the flag that Kensei was holding.

Well I watched the first episode again and they mentioned something about the cockroach being in God's image and being indestructible and at the top of the evolutionary ladder. There were a few other episodes where they start off by focusing on cockroaches as well. The eclipse also occurred at the start of volume one, probably to signify the start of a new chapter (sun being the start of a new day) but also that trouble is looming (darkness). And we never really knew about Peter's mum did we? All that we know is that she is quite evil. From the sad mum, desperate for attention and shoplifting to get that attention she has developed (not developed, but in terms of what we can see of her as a character it seems that she has "developed") into a somewhat cold and uncaring being that is hell bent on getting her way.

I think everyone knew about the symbol. Its on all the paintings that feature Kensei, Kensei's sword and it's in Isaac's paintings as well. Not to mention its on the back of Jessica whenever she dominates Nikki's body I'm not sure about the meaning behind the symbol though

Its on most of the Heroes shoulder, I know it s on the cop, ted (who is dead ) and that one girl they brought in that can mess with radio waves

Sylar wasn't the cockroach... it's just assumed that he's alive because the cockroach is always with him. It's almost like his symbol.(rewatch the beginning of the first episode... Mohinder lectures about the evolutionary cockroach.)

Also... I have a huge feeling that Kensei is Hiro's dad. Explains why he's so good with the sword, and how he's involved with Linderman's organization.

I just watched the opening episode again but I never made the connection between the cockroach and Sylar. Then again there was a scene on therooftop of the DeVeaux building when the invisible guy quoted Darwin and said to Peter "I think he meant you" Since Peter is pretty much like Sylar and the cockroach was also claimed to be at the "top" of the evolutionary ladder, I guess it makes sense that it links with Sylar, who is portrayed as the evil one

Why do you think that? Would it be more plausible that Kensei is related to Hiro like an ancestor or something? Although Hiro can travel through time, making a direct connection between the two (i.e. the father and son connection) doesn't sit well with me personally. Although the show does contain many possible avenues for exploration why the writers seemingly always pick the dodgy paths is beyond me <_<

Maybe Hiro is actually Kensei, have we seen his face yet, it was hidden, eh I had enough all of this talk is making me think to much, most of the time I end up being wrong

If present-Hiro can travel to the future and see future-Hiro, then why doesn't he just teleport to multiple places along the space-time continuum and amass an army of Hiros? :evil:

*imagines army of Hiros saying Mr. Isaac*

eeks the ending was unexpected!

damn it. and why does nathan and peter petrelli have to die? maybe not for peter, but for nathan it would seem highly likely that he lost his life.

and the ending was KINDA sweet, the way they made all the heroes (and non-heroes) come together and fight against sylar. quite cute actually

no idea who that scary person molly walker is referring to, but it could be an outlet by which the producers can introduce a new character. ah them sly buggers! the ending seemed a little lame too, like okay.. and everyone just goes on back to being normal. and don get together to like try to guard against sylar or smth. and it also seems like the producer's bent on making sylar the main baddies, at first i thought it would have been linderman and his bomb plan.. it ended so abruptly i couldn believe it, it wasnt bad, but it wasnt good either..

anyone knows when does season 2 start?

eeks the ending was unexpected!

damn it. and why does nathan and peter petrelli have to die? maybe not for peter, but for nathan it would seem highly likely that he lost his life.

That definitely sums up my feelings. What was the point of saving the cheerleader anyways? She didn't do anything of consequence did she. Note: If you are going to excessively over promote something like "Save the cheerleader. Save the world" then let it pay off. They said something like 'we saved you so that we could save the world which felt like a cop-out to me. I mean she could have shot him - right? Wouldn't he have come back to life?

For some reason I would reserve hope for Nathan Petrelli coming back to life. If there's one thing about comic books, it's that if something occurs off panel then anything could happen. He could have easily have done the whole Superman routine and be blasted out of harms way. Or maybe their powers can't affect each other because they are brothers. Or maybe he has a power we don't know about. I really think that Nathan's character is one of the most well rounded on the show. He has an inner conflict of rather he is good or evil which is more gray that the black and white Nikki dilemma.

Sylar got away!!? I guess he can't really die so easily because they wasted time with the whole power absorbing scenario. I liked the fact of the 'us' versus 'him' direction for season one, but I hope we have to wait a long time until we see his face again. Create some new bad guy please. I think they will. And then both villains will team up (rolls eyes -- hey, it did happen in Spider-man 3).

One other thought: I wonder what the deal with Linderman was. I'm suprised they killed him without replicating his powers. He probably had the strongest powers on the show next to Claire. Perhaps they were good not to siphon off his powers. Another thing that comics do way too much is kill characters and resurrect them. If someone was curing people all over the place, it would just give the writers another deux ex machina in their arsenal.

My direction for the show with what I wanted to happen:

Sylar should have destroyed NYC. Check. Hiro would have transported the Heroes away. Check. Then the Heroes would be blamed for all the death and destruction. The government would hunt them a la Prison Break. Corny as it sounds they would solve a mystery here or there an elude the authorities with their powers. They could split up but they would have a reason to stay together as a group. Introduce something from Claire's father's past -- the whole DNA manipulation of the Heroes or something along those lines. In season two they get to discover what happened to them.

I'm very curious as to where the whole hiro in the past leads to...

I hope Hiro doesn't stay in the past too long. Time travel and changing the future can get convoluted and confusing. I mean remember that Futurama episode where Fry went back to the past and had sex with his own mom?

LOL. I dont think i saw that one, but damn having sex with his own mum! Lets hope shit like that doesnt happen in Heroes

But the timetravelling gets irritating sometimes, things progress sooooo slowly with Hiro keep going back to the past :|

TV show writers generally love to make things go as slow as possible. I don't know how many LOST episodes during season two where nothing seemed to happen. That way the "minds" behind the show can let all the other writers work on the outline they set up. Also the more things stay the same, the easier it is for the audience to jump into an episode if they have missed a couple.

As much as I enjoy time traveling, it's going to be annoying if that's all that Hiro ever does. That's why they had to make him lose his powers for a while so his character could do something else. Also, I hope he never transforms into 'future Hiro' on the show. That guy has no personality. And Hiro's personality is his best trait.

OMFGWTFBBQ! Adam!

This is getting really good. Makes up for the lame excuse for a finale last season.

And how good is Matt's power? and how sexy is Peter? :brows:

OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!

HRG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!

HRG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JK!!!

totally posted too early!

hahahaaha!

I hate Heroes...

I think that it's stupid

But the story is original....I don't know why, but I don't like it, I 've never hung, it is not my style.

But Milo Ventimglia is too handsome

OMFGWTFBBQ! Adam!

This is getting really good. Makes up for the lame excuse for a finale last season.

And how good is Matt's power? and how sexy is Peter? :brows:

oh, how i love you Ed! you nailed it! :brows:

I hate Heroes...

I think that it's stupid

But the story is original....I don't know why, but I don't like it, I 've never hung, it is not my style.

But Milo Ventimglia is too handsome

WoW! You have got to be the first person I've heard of who doesn't like Heroes. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but that's such a big shock to me.

I, for one, love Heroes and I can't get enough of it. I wish I had a cool power too!

Does anyone know if this is the actual season finale or if they're just taking a bit of a break like they did last season?

are you referring to episode 10 'Truth and Consequences' as the season finale?

no idea anyway.. but damn the ending to eps 10 is a stupid cliffhanger! and yea peter is hot

i hope niki will be fine...