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The Political Correctness Haters' Club

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  • 2 weeks later...

  

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The revolt of French farmers is a clear example of why socialism always fails.

 

The EU (and French) regulations are smothering our farmers with rules while they sign free trade agreements with countries that have 0 regulations.

 

In other words, a socialist smothers his fellow countrymen and favours anyone else. Socialism is a failure :ninja:

2 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

This guy has balls. There's no denying it.

 

The absurd coverage of the Ukraine war has been positively Orwellian 1984 in the US-UK media since the start, closer to a dictatorship than a democracy. 

The Tucker Carlson Interview with Putin goes live today.  I'm sure the media will be all over this:

 

 

First half of it is overall disappointing and he has said nothing I've not heard before.  Putin just says the pro-Russian propaganda/state version of the conflict, without getting into why 2/3rds of the population desperately want to shift to the West.

 

It starts getting more interesting at 1:06.  Putin is not interested in talking to Biden and says that it is useless.  All he wants is the NATO weapons shipments to stop and do a political deal.  He promises that Russia will never stop fighting.

 

2. He also says that European governments are braining their 'philistine' population with an imaginary Russian threat. 

 

3. He says that Russia has no interest in invading other countries.

 

4.  Mocks the idea of sending US ground forces into Ukraine as being stupid

 

5.  And lol says that American propaganda is the biggest and most powerful in the world (true)

 

6. American empire is declining rapidly on the world stage.

6 hours ago, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

They denied they were going to invade Ukraine until the day they actually did it. :rofl:

 

 

The last 10 minutes are actually the most interesting of the otherwise (not very revealing) interview. 

 

The biggest problem is that Tucker did not ask Putin any serious geostrategic questions like why Russia is so afraid of the NATO penetration into the East.  

 

- Putin says that NATO- Ukrainian victory is impossible on the battlefield, and they deluded themselves that they can win until relatively recently.

 

-is waiting for NATO - US to figure out how to maneuver itself out of the conflict that it knows it can't win.

 

-Ukraine is continuously deteriorating from within and will eventually come to the negotiation table by itself

 

-Believes that Ukraine-Russian tensions will fade away with time due to cultural similarities.  So basically he is waiting for the conflict to resolve itself.  

 

17 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

First half of it is overall disappointing and he has said nothing I've not heard before.  Putin just says the pro-Russian propaganda/state version of the conflict, without getting into why 2/3rds of the population desperately want to shift to the West.

 

It starts getting more interesting at 1:06.  Putin is not interested in talking to Biden and says that it is useless.  All he wants is the NATO weapons shipments to stop and do a political deal.  He promises that Russia will never stop fighting.

 

2. He also says that European governments are braining their 'philistine' population with an imaginary Russian threat. 

 

3. He says that Russia has no interest in invading other countries.

 

4.  Mocks the idea of sending US ground forces into Ukraine as being stupid

 

5.  And lol says that American propaganda is the biggest and most powerful in the world (true)

 

6. American empire is declining rapidly on the world stage.

 

As you say, the second part is the most interesting... regarding the war.

 

But I found the first part extremely interesting. Putin is basically using an historical development to defend a centralised government as the best type (for Slavic people). He's basically arguing for Communism (or centralism - call it whatever you want, it's the same idea).

 

This is also what the American Left argues for. In that sense, he's very close to the likes of AOC or Bernie Sanders (which is ironic, given how they despise Russia).

 

I strongly disagree with this idea: an omnipotent centralized government is a mistake. It only creates poverty. Even though I like some form of regulation (mostly in regalian functions), I think total control is a sub-optimal form of political power.

 

Western Europe had found (long ago) a great balance between regalian control and freedom for private actors.

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

 

As you say, the second part is the most interesting... regarding the war.

 

But I found the first part extremely interesting. Putin is basically using an historical development to defend a centralised government as the best type (for Slavic people). He's basically arguing for Communism (or centralism - call it whatever you want, it's the same idea).

 

This is also what the American Left argues for. In that sense, he's very close to the likes of AOC or Bernie Sanders (which is ironic, given how they despise Russia).

 

I strongly disagree with this idea: an omnipotent centralized government is a mistake. It only creates poverty. Even though I like some form of regulation (mostly in regalian functions), I think total control is a sub-optimal form of political power.

 

Western Europe had found (long ago) a great balance between regalian control and freedom for private actors.

 

To summarize my post (for "tldr people"): communism sucks whenever and wherever it's used. :laugh:

On 2/9/2024 at 4:19 PM, Enrico_sw said:

 

As you say, the second part is the most interesting... regarding the war.

 

But I found the first part extremely interesting. Putin is basically using an historical development to defend a centralised government as the best type (for Slavic people). He's basically arguing for Communism (or centralism - call it whatever you want, it's the same idea).

 

 

TBH I don't think he was talking about communism and economics.  He was arguing that culturally similar people should be under one government, as it was during the Soviet Union and before it.   Even Tucker pointed out this is the "Ukraine is not a real country" speech and tried to stop Putin but he kept on going.

 

Putin was just repeating the points he laid out in his essay "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians".  

 

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

 

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“ • President of Russia (kremlin.ru)

 

  I think very few people who aren't Russian would sympathize with this historical approach.  Times have changed and it appears that at least middle aged Ukrainian men in the West-Central parts of the country are prepared to die for their independence, while former Ukrainian peoples of the South and East are prepared to kill them to prevent them from joining the Western fold.  Meaning while young men and women have escaped the country in the millions to either the West or Russia for a better life and to escape conscription.

 

 It's a Civil war that Russia is as guilty as fueling as the United States & NATO.   

 

In that first hour I found it strange as it undiplomatic and unsympathetic to western audiences- or maybe Putin was focusing more on what the domestic Russian audience would prefer to hear?

 

Besides invoking the historical argument he also threw shade at Biden as being unimportant in the grand scheme of things and blamed the entire war on the US-NATO aggression.

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