February 9, 20169 yr 5 minutes ago, Clauds said: @Lyla I hope you know the sample size at runway show is 00? So pretty much anyone who is even a size 4 or 6 is considered plus-size those standards. Just because some assholes over at Paris decided to label girls who are not 00 "plus-size" doesn't mean you should follow them. Sorry girl, but your standars are bullshit and just because someone doesn't fit your standards means they are fat, obese or unhealthy. GO ASHLEY! I bet she has a healthier lifestyle than 99% of the people calling her names. She's getting shit but she's also getting a lot of support from people and that's a great thing. I don't think my standards are bullshit (maybe in Barb's case), but definetely not in Ashley's. Once again, she's a PLUS SIZED model in the USA too. And you just need to look at her. You can see why, don't need to mesure her waist. I understand what you mean, different bodytypes, etc. But fat is a bodytype too, deal with it. Fat will be your new N word or what? And why I see her fat?...there's SS's post, I guess that's why, this type is not so common here, or just being called as what it is, overweight. I'll use this from now then.
February 9, 20169 yr 2 hours ago, jj3 said: I'm not insulting her ... But it's modeling world. The fact is Ashley is looking pretty fat ... But maybe for some others, she's pretty skinny idk... So, let's prohibit the words, old, bald, skinny, ungracious, short, small, tall ... OR maybe should we just prohibit modeling world itself ... No models, no argues ... My comment was in general terms----not directed at you specifically The reasoning "it's the modeling world" doesn't cut it and it is just an excuse for one's poor actions and behaviors. Who are the ones that created these standards of beauty? And are you saying there's no negative connotation what-so-ever to calling someone "fat"? I am going to say it again, Embrace ALL Body Types. As long as you are not an asshole (and you are overall in good health) it is all good
February 10, 20169 yr PC Limer is outraged at some of the words/phrases that have been used to describe this woman that he could never even think to mutter. Now, before privileges start getting checked, PC Limer will ask that the discussion on this wonderful woman be positive and no negativity because we are now in a safe space here people, do not cross the safe space. Or end up like Leslie.
February 10, 20169 yr 2 hours ago, PinkCouture said: My comment was in general terms----not directed at you specifically The reasoning "it's the modeling world" doesn't cut it and it is just an excuse for one's poor actions and behaviors. Who are the ones that created these standards of beauty? And are you saying there's no negative connotation what-so-ever to calling someone "fat"? I am going to say it again, Embrace ALL Body Types. As long as you are not an asshole (and you are overall in good health) it is all good No indeed we're sharing our opinions. I get it was in general terms. Here the BODY MASS INDEX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index I'm pretty sure Ashley is in the red. You say her food habits are healthier than many of us. I'm not sure ... in France, they prohibited "too skinny" models because the anorexia issue, and more overal the eating disorder. I wonder why now, they don't do the same with overweighted models...That's exactly the same problems of health, in the end. Both are bad eating habits. I'm not saying that Ashley is "Ugly" once again. I'm saying she's a model, She's now a SI SWIMSUIT model...She's a public person. And i don't see why we are allowed to overcriticize SKINNY model and not the overweighted ones. That's matter of balance... This dynamic we see now in the US to promote the "EVERYBODYISBEAUTIFUL" is IMO a fake solution. It's an easy solution.
February 10, 20169 yr @Lyla I kinda appreciate that you argue relentlessly for your right. But overweight is in the eye of the beholder. Quote How do perceptions of beauty vary across the globe? From that simple question, the idea for this study was born. We asked female graphic designers from around the world to Photoshop a female form by making her, in their opinion, more attractive to other citizens of their country. Widely held perceptions of beauty and perfection can have a deep and lasting cultural impact on both women and men. The goal of this project is to better understand potentially unrealistic standards of beauty and to see how such pressures vary around the world. The resulting submissions are intriguing. https://onlinedoctor.superdrug.com/perceptions-of-perfection/
February 10, 20169 yr this will be the first SI swim issue in decades that i don't purchase. not because of any one thing--it's the whole package.
February 10, 20169 yr 2 minutes ago, 17 Moments of Spring said: @Lyla I kinda appreciate that you argue relentlessly for your right. But overweight is in the eye of the beholder. https://onlinedoctor.superdrug.com/perceptions-of-perfection/ No, it's all about the BMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index
February 10, 20169 yr 43 minutes ago, jj3 said: No indeed we're sharing our opinions. I get it was in general terms. Here the BODY MASS INDEX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index I'm pretty sure Ashley is in the red. You say her food habits are healthier than many of us. I'm not sure ... in France, they prohibited "too skinny" models because the anorexia issue, and more overal the eating disorder. I wonder why now, they don't do the same with overweighted models...That's exactly the same problems of health, in the end. Both are bad eating habits. I'm not saying that Ashley is "Ugly" once again. I'm saying she's a model, She's now a SI SWIMSUIT model...She's a public person. And i don't see why we are allowed to overcriticize SKINNY model and not the overweighted ones. That's matter of balance... This dynamic we see now in the US to promote the "EVERYBODYISBEAUTIFUL" is IMO a fake solution. It's an easy solution. These are all the things I have said: 1. It seems one of the default to insulting any woman is by calling her fat Often times it is easier to insult someone else by deflecting and projecting our own insecurities than to come to terms with our own flaws. The internet has made this so much easier. An actual conversation: Male: You have a beautiful smile but you are a bit on the chubby side so i don't think it would work between us. Female: Ok. But you aren't exactly fit either. You are much more overweight than me. Male: Well...I prefer slender woman As for Ashley, she is much better-looking than a lot of thinner models. If anyone cannot see past her body shape then that is their problem 2. Embrace all body types! It is lame to assume Fat = Ugly There are skinny women (and men) who are unattractive. In fact there are bigger people that are more gorgeous and handsome than their slender counterparts 3. Just so I understand correctly, you think Curvy = Fat? That's why I said "Embrace ALL Body Types." Last I checked I am person so that debunks your point. Fat, Skinny, Athletic, Fluffy, Pear-Shape, Apple-Shaped, Hourglass, Plegic, whatever. As long as you are not an asshole it's all good 4. Go back & read everything I have posted. Did I ever give my opinion on whether Ashley is fat or not? Exactly. The saying "sorry, not sorry" is a contradiction. You are sorry for not being sorry which means you ARE sorry. Alright then. 5. Not saying there's no such thing as being fat but the word is definitely being used loosely even when it is not accurate. It has also become a low-blow "go-to" word to use to insult a woman--- which is what a lot of people have been doing. What her or anyone else's BMI was never the point. In none of my posts did I mention my thoughts or judgements about anyone's eating habits. Nor did I ever approve or deny anyone's diets or whether there is such a thing as obesity. Also, if you read my posts you would notice I agree with you on balance. It is not okay to pass negative judgements on thin women nor is it ok to fat-shame. However, women who are not slender definitely get more flak and negative judgements from society. The "Everyone Is Beautiful" thing is not to condone poor judgements such as bad eating habits. It is about loving who you are as a person regardless of what others thinks. This includes thin women. I know some people use it as an excuse for their bad actions and behaviors---they too are totally missing the point. Of course if someone truly feels shitty b/c they are overweight and it is affecting their health and mood then they should take action to resolve it. But they should do it for themselves not b/c they are fat-shamed or to please others.
February 10, 20169 yr 13 minutes ago, PinkCouture said: I know some people use it as an excuse for their bad actions and behaviors---they too are totally missing the point. Of course if someone truly feels shitty b/c they are overweight and it is affecting their health and mood then they should take action to resolve it. But they should do it for themselves not b/c they are fat-shamed or to please others. I will talk about my own experience. I has been in the two sides of the question. Before i was fat, like in the orange part of the BMI, and yes now, i'm more skinny. I can say i feel way better now. Phisically, and mentally as well. I'm sure, people are aware that self-confidence born of the look that society is sending to you, and your body. I'm not saying that shapes are ugly at all ! I'm saying, Ashley is looks, visually overweighted. It's SI Swimsuit issue. MJ and Ashley herself know that the random peeps will judge her. What we're doing when we say "oh she's gorgeous" about this or that model. WE ARE JUDGING HER. We are constantely judging models. Ted Crusz looks ridiculous, and Bernie Sanders looks old. That's facts as much as Ashley looks overweighted. Once again, Iskra looks tonned and curvy, Ashley no, IMO.
February 10, 20169 yr 32 minutes ago, jj3 said: No, it's all about the BMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index As for perceived attractiveness, waist-hip ratio counts more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist%E2%80%93hip_ratio#Measure_of_attractiveness
February 10, 20169 yr I have a BMI of 19.5, wear a size zero jean and I know for a fact that Ashley is eons healthier than me-I haven't been to a gym in over two years, and eat terribly. It's been proven multiple times that BMI is NOT an indication of health at all. The assumption that all overweight people are unhealthy and all thin people are the epitome of good health is ridiculous.
February 10, 20169 yr I have close friend who is super thin and tall (she is a size 0) but she eats a lot of crap and never exercises. She loves butter and actually eats them by the stick. She also loves chicken skin. Guess what happened? She ended up with high cholesterol and heart disease. With that said, just b/c someone looks thin & healthy does not mean they are actually healthy.
February 10, 20169 yr 5 minutes ago, toodarnhot said: The assumption that all overweight people are unhealthy and all thin people are the epitome of good health is ridiculous. Who say that ? Not me. But some people are only interested at throwing political correctness, and are not actually reading what people are saying. IMO, Ashley would've looked better for SI, if she tonned and lost some weight. It's my opinion. Everybody know why Ashley is in the casting. But once again, SI is late. We just have to see the casting ...I don't eat that soup
February 10, 20169 yr Yes i brought BMI ...Like Medicine is doing But i never said "...and all thin people are the epitome of good health is ridiculous...". But what @17 Moments of Spring brought is useful to the dabate also. I said, that when someone is in the green part of the BMI, it feel better phisically and MENTALLY than when you are in the red part. Of course some people feel good how they are, and it's GREAT. But when they try to convince me that they wonderful, BECAUSE they overweighted, well, i don't eat the soup...
February 10, 20169 yr Quote Research shows that women who fall within the 0.67 to 0.8 range are healthier. The chances of developing diabetes or having a heart attack have been found to depend more on the distribution of fat than on its volume, in addition to other factors. A low waist-hip ratio is also linked to fertility. Not only is a wasp-waisted female likely to be healthy, she is also likely to be more fertile than her thicker-waisted sisters. ... 'Just in America over the past 50 years, ideas of beauty have varied a lot. A few years ago a popular idea was that the ideal shape was going to be androgynous,' she says. 'But between 1955 and 1987 the waist- hip ratio of Ms America contestants and Playboy playmates varied only between 0.68 and 0.71.' The young women may have been tall and slender, but they maintained female curves. In a series of experiments, Professor Singh found that males had a clear reaction to different waist-hip ratios. In a survey of 106 men aged 18 to 22, the favourite was a female of average weight with the classic hour-glass figure. Not only were such women rated as young, sexy and healthy, they were also seen as ideal for childbearing. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-what-a-man-cant-resist-the-perfect-waist-hip-ratio-forget-about-breasts-says-jerome-burne-its-1440859.html
February 10, 20169 yr We all have our opinions and are unlikely to convince each other otherwise. That's ok Just to clarify, whether we agree or not has nothing to do with political correctness. And whether someone feels good about their weight or not is subjective and it depends on the individual. We could only speak for ourselves---no one else
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