On 12/7/2022 at 3:46 PM, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

Phoebe Waller-Bridge? I think she is kind of cute but I get why she would not be everyone's cup of tea.

To be fair I never was that into Kate Capshaw either.

 

This girl??

 

Well  beauty is in the eye of the beholder... IMHO she's way below average (and we're on BZ, we have standards)

 

(maybe some people like her because she's a member of the woke cult)

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

 

This girl??

 

Well  beauty is in the eye of the beholder... IMHO she's way below average (and we're on BZ, we have standards)

 

(maybe some people like her because she's a member of the woke cult)

 

I'm not saying she is model-level attractive. You did choose two incredibly unflattering pictures of her as well.

7 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

a) Being thin and being muscular are two very different things. Being thin is way easier. The level of effort and consistency to attain Zac Efron's body shape are enormous (even with steroids).

 

b) I can argue for a long time with very good arguments (that I'm not sure you'll read), so here's an answer with images:

 

 

How many magazines have promoted fat men compared to women?

 

We were talking about Hollywood. Not sure what Cosmo and Men's Fitness covers have to do with that discussion?

Point is that apart from a small number of exceptions (Melissca McCarthy, Amy Schumer, Rebel Wilson before she lost weight) almost all of the women who achieve success in Hollywood are thin and conventionally attractive).

On 12/6/2022 at 11:57 PM, Enrico_sw said:

 

Men in Hollywood and male influencers have to suffer way more than their female counterparts.

 

Most female celebs now have the shield of "body positivity" as soon as the get famous. However, "body positivity" is not for men, no single "dad bods" or our of shape men were promoted by journalists. This ideology is done for women.

 

If you're an average men, the "system" doesn't respect you. For men, it's survival of the fittest... But women don't have these constraints, life is way sweeter in that respect.

 

Note that it wasn't like that 30 years ago. Indiana Jones was fit, but not super fit or muscular, though he was still a male ideal, while female sex symbols like Sharon Stone had to be in perfect shape.

 

@SympathysSilhouette As usual you didn't read my posts or change the subject...

 

I said Hollywood, influencers  and celebs.

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

 

@SympathysSilhouette As usual you didn't read my posts or change the subject...

 

I said Hollywood, influencers  and celebs.

 

Well I won't speak for influencers, don't know enough about them but if we are talking Hollywood celebs, women are still mostly expected to be physically attractive.

2 minutes ago, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

We were talking about Hollywood. Not sure what Cosmo and Men's Fitness covers have to do with that discussion?

Point is that apart from a small number of exceptions (Melissca McCarthy, Amy Schumer, Rebel Wilson before she lost weight) almost all of the women who achieve success in Hollywood are thin and conventionally attractive).

 

I said Hollywood, influencers and celebs, friend.

 

And again, it's way easier to be thin than to be muscular (that's the point a) of my answer which I'm sure you read )

Just now, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

Well I won't speak for influencers, don't know enough about them but if we are talking Hollywood celebs, women are still mostly expected to be physically attractive.

 

Again, it's not about being attractive.

 

It's about the suffering induced in the ways to get attractive for men (diet, resistance training, cardio and often steroids). 

 

Being thin is easier than being muscular.

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

 

I said Hollywood, influencers and celebs, friend.

 

And again, it's way easier to be thin than to be muscular (that's the point a) of my answer which I'm sure you read )

 

Whether or not it's harder or easier to be muscular, point is that looks is a factor for both men and women who appear in Hollywood movies, so it's not like female actresses can show up to set overweight and hide behind body positivity.

It is crazy that Patty Jenkins so disappointed with Wonder Woman 1984 that she might have ended the WW franchise for DC. Especially after the first movie was very beloved.

And yeah, I didn't like the sequel either, I was honestly shocked at how bad some of that was.

 

2 minutes ago, SympathysSilhouette said:

Whether or not it's harder or easier to be muscular, point is that looks is a factor for both men and women who appear in Hollywood movies, so it's not like female actresses can show up to set overweight and hide behind body positivity.

 

The first point of my first post about this was about the suffering to be muscular... So it is precisely the point.

On 12/6/2022 at 11:57 PM, Enrico_sw said:

Men in Hollywood and male influencers have to suffer way more than their female counterparts.

 

So, it is the main point I brought. You changed the subject.

 

Zac Efron had to take steroids. Hugh Jackman, Dwayne Johnson, Thomas Hardy, Chris Hemsworth, etc.

 

All of this dudes have to do hours of gym per week, eat very precise quantities of everything, pay the roids, work their asses off, damage their health.

 

That's suffering.

I don't know what point you are trying to prove. If there was a demand for women to look as muscular in movies as Zac Efron does, they would be made to look that way.

They look thin and feminine because the overwhelmingly straight male audience prefers that to female body builders.

 

Being thin is way easier. So, male celebs/influencers have to suffer more (I'm talking about today, not 40 years ago).

 

I know the rule that the woke world imposes is that all women are victims and all men are oppressors who have it way easier in life, but this is wrong. A pure factual lie.

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

Being thin is way easier. So, male celebs/influencers have to suffer more (I'm talking about today, not 40 years ago).

 

I know the rule that the woke world imposes is that all women are victims and all men are oppressors who have it way easier in life, but this is wrong. A pure factual lie.

 

So you think female actresses should try to beef up like the Rock or Zac Efron?

Just now, SympathysSilhouette said:

I don't know what point you are trying to prove. If there was a demand for women to look as muscular in movies as Zac Efron does, they would be made to look that way.

They look thin and feminine because the overwhelmingly straight male audience prefers that to female body builders.

 

 

Yes, that doesn't change what I said.  The demands on male actors make them suffer more. That's all I said and it's a fact.

 

I know it's hard to admit that female actresses have it easier (I'm talking about present day), because of decades of feminist brainwashing that say women's lives is always harder (which is not true).

Just now, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

So you think female actresses should try to beef up like the Rock or Zac Efron?

 

No.

It's hard to discuss with you, sometimes.

2 minutes ago, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

So you think female actresses should try to beef up like the Rock or Zac Efron?

 

No, I'm just taking note of a fact. Is that so hard to understand without trying to put words in my mouth?

4 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

It's hard to discuss with you, sometimes.

 

Well I don't get your POV either TBF. You mention that some male actors have to work hard to get in super-shape, which is true. But then you also would not want the women to do the same. So what is the problem? The women aren't working out as much as the men because it would make them look too muscular for the audience liking. Not because of any "wokeness" on the part of Hollywood.

4 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

No, I'm just taking note of a fact. Is that so hard to understand without trying to put words in my mouth?

 

It's just that I don't see the huge problem then? The women aren't muscular because it wouldn't sell to have them look that way. Not because Hollywood wants to spare them the extra exercise.