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^ I don't think anyone doubts your commitment to wanting to see Adriana win. I think basically everyone on this forum that posts in her thread wants the best for her. Even those that haven't been outspoken about Metin I'm sure fundamentally think she can do better and deserves better. I think the only difference is that some people may not see all of this as something that is happening to her as she's been a willing participant and willfully blind since what, early June of last year? +1 on every line about her deserving more and deserving someone genuine. But she should maybe align herself with the goal of relationships with quality people with quality characters. I don't say she should meet people that are better. Because you can't know up front that someone is that manipulative. And as far as I'm concerned she can date as many people as she wants/try things out / have fun (live your life girl). But when you've been in a relationship like the one she's in for TEN months... There's a clear disconnect there. We can think all we want that she deserves better. But I don't see her as the kind of person that cares about quality as much as not being alone. That's proven in her choice of partners for me. So yeah, ideally, I'd love if she woke up tomorrow and found a partner that met the bare minimum of not being a selfish leech. But is she even putting that demand out there? I think metin is all that you say he is. But if we've acknowledged she knows most of this and she accepts it. Hard to think she's going to stop caring about being alone when she's basically 40. Habits can change when you're older. But usually not with the mindset she has and has had for a super long time. And before anyone points out I'm assuming things about her or Metin or her tendencies. Yeah no shit. I don't claim to know either of them or be a mind reader. Just what I perceive based on patterns and things that have happened the last few years (while I've been a fan). I care for her well being. But she's not a child. She has the freedom of thought and choice. And well, she's made it. Metin is going to always do what we've been pointing out here. It's who he is. The guy or some close associate of his literally made an Instagram to harrass her ex sister in law and draw a wedge. There's no end to his pettiness. He'll probably go to Miami again in a few weeks and take "subtle" pictures of her carpet and dog to hint that he's there the moment people stop talking about them. We know it. But it's just been the case for how long now? Not a damn thing has changed. But by all means if there's something next level or something different that he does I would want anyone to post it here because although I doubt it- MAYBE it would register. But right now... Same shit different day. All I'm looking forward to: I've been saying since I think last October I really hope she goes to the VF party. Her look was to die for last year. I hope she gets into prime shape for it too. I also wonder think that it's a great opportunity to network despite the fact that I'm not as optimistic about her getting to have the acting career she has wanted. She's getting older and she's an model. It's easy to be typecast into roles and sometimes it takes years to really develop a portfolio with experience. By that time she may be much older. It's a shame because I think she has a real passion for cinema as a craft and I personally think she has really good taste in film. I also want to see her at the met gala. She had been knocking all of those major appearances out of the park.

I think what I mean to say is that all of the things you are pointing out about Metin have been so. It's not like he's doing anything that tops what he was doing at the end of last year / start of this year. So to point it out is one thing. But it doesn't change anything as it relates to adriana or her being "used". Same thing, different day. And from my stand point it just seems like the more time that goes by the less credible is the idea that she's an unwilling or unknowing participant of what we perceive to be the dynamic of their relationship. It's not like we can point to the fact that Metin's shadyness is indicative of him being abusive. None of us would have insight into that. He seems shady. But for me the approach or talk of exploitation is the approach of pretending that she just has to go along with this relationship despite not being passionate about him or interested in him. When it's clear that for whatever reason even if it's for a wrong reason like she just can't be single, she's choosing to be with this man knowing damn well the shady antics. So we can repeatedly point out the obvious. I obviously talk about him and don't hesitate to point out how shady he is. But the expectation that if she realizes how shady she is, she's going to become wise to it and let it go or make a better choice is a pipe dream at this point. I do agree with many that say from their perception they don't see that Adriana is as passionate about him as maybe past lovers. And I do think they'll eventually break up. But if a person continues to want to be in a relationship with someone after the someone's shadyness is brought to the forefront- she either 1. Is going to be with him regardless and turn a blind eye. 2. Doesn't agree with us despite how obvious and almost undeniable some of his behavior is. But him uploading a picture of her for attention in the same pattern as other things he's done isn't even his gravest offense in the context of what's been discussed in these very pages and in context of what she *knows*. So accompanying posts about how he acts with the idea that Adriana is being used ... Meh. She's clearly getting something out of this too. And I think that's too strong of a sentiment now. Not the idea that he's using her. Of course he's trying to get attention. But just assigning the word exploited or used to adriana. It just doesn't make sense for me anymore. Clearly I'm coming also from a place where I've had the same sentiment as you and attempted to help her see that in the past. But really it is what it is. She does look good in NY. I was super sure she was going to Europe. I would have loved to see her at Versace.

^ but in response to that. I agree 100% in respect to Metin's behavior. Like this is all pretty out there and obvious. Even someone with Adriana's seeming level of aloofness would be able to see his patterns. Choosing to be blind is a different story. Saying you hope she doesn't fall for this is a little late though. She's been falling for it hasn't she? They've been together since last summer. If and when they break up, it's not going to be because she suddenly becomes wise to the fact that he's a master manipulator or using her. She may realize he's toxic to her and it's a generally unhealthy relationship (if it registers as such to her). But we've been pointing out much worse than just his self promotion for months. Does nothing. No one cares. Like you've said people close to her come on here. We've acknowledged she's aware of certain incidents. She doesn't care. I think it's fair to still point it out because it's so obvious. But I personally feel like the approach we sometimes take always moves towards verbiage that implies she's a victim and has no agency in the manner. Being exploited is different than being in a relationship with someone that is primarily interested in themselves. Adriana is willing to be in this relationship and had time and time again turned a blind eye to all the things we think are red flags. Again, I wouldn't suggest to anyone they can't still point these things out. But the framing of this starts to make less sense as time goes on. Maybe initially as fans started to uncover the kind of person Metin seemed to be. Yes. But in a few months they'll have been together for a year. He's trying to leverage what he can and make use of her celebrity. Classless and I'm obviously no fan. But maybe we ought to not view things as though she's being used and exploited. Unless we think she's so dim as to really have zero clue as to any of this.

Souled -Out posted this in candida. Didn't want to respond there and spam that thread with discussion.

Where is adriana headed? Hopefully not turkey! I'm guessing wherever she is going, on her way back she would stop by to pick up metin again, but here's to hoping that she's flying somewhere to do some work first. Oops. Actually she's probably just going to NY. For some reason I was thinking as though she was flying internationally and was already in NY. But she was in Miami and is hopefully flying to NY.

She still has multiple pictures and references to him up. Including the both times she posted this one. Most likely she was just purging some of her feed. I'd love if I were wrong and it were indicative of her leaving the toxic mess that is Metin behind but I don't think so just yet,

^ I know it's old but she looks so beautiful there. Very young too.

This made me laugh. But it's also kind of sad because it APPEARS true. Adriana is typically all over guys she's romantically interested in. I mean even with Harvey who she dated for like two days. She was making romantic posts about Metin up until late last year but it has sort of stopped. Even the candids of them together look weird, but I'm going to try not to make any assumptions based on any of that. The reality of the situation is that if they don't have chemistry and Adriana is still with him, it's almost worse. I kind of feel that there's a possibility she's more interested in his spiritual guru preachings than him. Maybe. But again, at this point, given all of his behavior that she's ignored and all that she puts up with/endures when it comes to his shadiness, I can't say anything with confidence. I said this to another member here: Adriana is making choices. She has agency. She's an adult. So all of these negative patterns of behavior when metin is around, yup... it's there. But it's on her. And less on him. No matter how much he annoys me. He's going to be who he is. The problem is that she starts resembling something different based on who she dates. Like many have said.

I don't really agree with the concept of shielding one's self off from an opinion because it's offensive/ignorant. I use 'troll' because I think there is a difference between stating a disagreement or a differing opinion and then intentionally commenting under someone's photo to be angry/spew hate *BECAUSE* the person that posted the picture disagrees with a view that you hold. I do think a lot of people troll in the sense that they look for any opportunity to attack people who are vocal about their opposing stance. You can be genuine in what you believe and still be a troll. If you believe that people should be able to have easy access to automatic weapons and you comment on a photo posted by someone that is promoting more gun control, you can be representing your beliefs/who you are, and still be trolling because it's ultimately just unnecessary to comment on that post. They do it because they're over zealous in their beliefs and yes, ignorant. I agree that it's not the end of the world or a huge deal if someone wants to turn off their comments. But I don't think that the reasoning behind it should be that they feel so strongly about an issue/their belief, that comments with people that hold opposite or ignorant views trigger them. Just not a fan of that sort of thinking. Regardless of how emotional or sensitive the topic at hand is. But ultimately, yes I'm glad she did not remove it or delete it because people disagree with her stance. I much prefer her turning off comments to getting rid of it all together.

She didn't have to turn the comments off, she chose to because she was probably getting a lot of nasty comments. She could have left them. Anyone that posts that is going to get extremely divisive comments on the picture. It's not personal. She shouldn't care to the extent of even turning the comments off. IMO if you're going to make a statement (and I'm glad she did, because 1. Without getting political-- it's the correct stance 2. She lives in FL. I'm sure it hits home even more) But I think that when you take a reasoned stance and you're convicted in what you believe, you shouldn't be sensitive to trolls that comment on your pictures. I mean I'm sure they said nonsensical and derogatory things like "go back to Brazil" (because that's what immature people do when they disagree) but I think she should just let it be. No big deal on the large scale. Just my thoughts. I mean it's different than her deleting comments of people talking about HER which she was doing not so long ago. I'm not as convinced that her feeling sick is related to detoxing. But who knows. It could be pretty much anything. Including her maybe just having ate something bad (like someone mentioned). I really want to see A LOOK from her at the VF Oscar party. But I'm thinking it's likely less and less these days. Especially if Metin is back in town. She doesn't even follow him on social media, it's not like she would take him with her and it's not like she'd leave him alone in a hotel in Beverly hills or in Miami while she attends.

I hope Adriana is ok. She posted a few stories saying she wasn't feeling well. I hope it's not the flu. It's been a particularly bad/dangerous flu season this year...

I'm not telling you what to discuss. I'm asking you to stop coming on here to time and time again to instigate fights via always speaking about how you're tired of what other people choose to speak about. I don't see the contradiction in my words and the fact that I pointed this out to you. The suggestion that you ignore a user was made on the basis that you seem to not be able to read anything without voicing your disagreement about the act of someone having stated their opinion/thoughts on a topic you're over. Thereby engaging in the same thing that you've had a problem with (repetition). I don't know who you're referring to with your last few sentences and so I can't speak to that. But speaking for myself, the issue isn't that you hold the opinion you do. I understand that you are tired of hearing about Metin and that you feel others are too. And it's quite obvious to me who those people that feel that way might be and I've noticed that they chime in on topics that they care to discuss and ignore anything related to Metin. You for some reason constantly and repeatedly make the same point which is that you have an opinion about the fact that others have an opinion on Metin/Adriana. You're not offering an opinion on anything other than other people/users and what they do. It's not even that you have an opinion on their opinion. Just the fact that they have opinions/comments. I'm not trying to be disrespectful and hopefully you don't see it as such. At the end of the day you are free to do as you wish and I'm sure that you will. I think it's a waste of time and unnecessary to come on here and target your opinions towards people rather than ideas or points that are brought up. That doesn't mean that I think other people should be able to do that and it's a problem when you do it. If you go back and look at my posts. You'll see that I've called out the fact that people tend to do this based on their subjective opinions about a topic and how long they prefer to talk about things vs. when they're over it. It's not personal. I directed this at you because you've provided a blatant example and to be frank it seems like you're always getting into an argument over the same thing with the same user constantly. I don't take issues with personal opinions/disagreements about topics. I just feel it's inappropriate to constantly target people for the fact that they are engaging in a topic they want to engage in. I won't be going back and forth with you on this because I'm not interested in arguing or being redundant. So I'll leave it at this. But maybe you'll consider my words or thoughts on this for a better understanding of where I'm coming from.

Can you please stop? Even if one were to concede your point that Metin is being discussed too often, you have to realize that your argument is that someone keeps repeating the same thing 100x, yet I've been on this forum for a considerably shorter amount of time than you and I've seen you complain about this same thing 100x. If your problem is people being repetitive, then perhaps try not to engage in the same behavior yourself (which is what you are doing-- you're just repeating your preferences) You also have the option of not reading an individual's comments if you are certain that they are going to discuss something that you have no concern over. We are more than a month into the new year and Adriana has not been doing much. It seems like there are individuals that have a genuine concern over her relationship and they are concerned that an individual she is dating is bad for her. There is literally nothing else for them to focus on and given that most members have been on here for years and have kept up with her daily, they aren't going to take to not keeping up with her or having commentary on what's going on because you don't want to hear it. I understand you hold yourself to be a contrarian and feel that you'd like to go against the strain. Perfectly valid. Just stop trying to police what other people discuss on a discussion board. You are contributing nothing when you do that. If you disagree with someone's opinion or theory, then that's great and you should voice it, it's very much the point of a discussion board. But what you're doing is coming on here and making comments about the act of other people discussing what they want to discuss. Stop focusing on other users. Discuss the things you care to discuss and ignore things that you don't want to discuss. But don't try to instigate arguments by pointing out that you disagree with the act of someone discussing what they want to discuss purely because it's a topic you're tired of.

He's not bringing her down. Like you mentioned in the next line, she's bringing herself down. It's her choices that are doing this. She's not a woman without agency and she's nearly 40. She's making her own (poor) choices. I agree that she doesn't seem at her best, from what can be perceived in photos, and I obviously 100% think that Metin is a toxic opportunist (and to anyone that maybe doesn't keep up with this thread as consistently-- this is based on a lot more than how they appear in photos or her social media behavior). But this year alone so far points to no signs of her caring about any of this and you can't invest too much concern/energy in a person that is blind by choice. I don't think this means Metin shouldn't be discussed. I mean she's putting out no work at all and he's in Miami. Hard to ignore. I just think that it's time to realize that he's probably not going home any time soon. I don't mean that in a LITERAL sense, I'm sure he'll go back to turkey so he can sit around with his family while they all search for pictures of him and Adriana together on instagram, but I mean that it seems like he isn't going anywhere. And being as he doesn't have a career in the traditional sense of the word, my guess is that as long as they are together he's not going to go too many weeks straight without seeing her. He would have everything to lose. Also, I generally agree that we most likely won't see her at NYFW. I hope we're wrong. It's possible that she'll maybe be front row at some of the shows but won't walk any of them. I'd take that. I just want some fresh pictures and for her to do something (industry wise).

Also, on a side note, I know that the bellazon consensus is that Adriana's initial post about how she won't be taking off her clothes anymore was referring to the love advent (love magazine). If it's true that others in the industry are turned off enough to a point where it'll impact the work she gets (and as of right now I don't think that's the case) then it's kind of amusing that Katie Grand (the editor for the love magazine) seems to not care one lick or be put off by Adriana having made that comment. Not only did she post a random photo of Adriana from the early 2000s, but she randomly likes 7-8 photos of Adriana in a row on instagram at least once every two weeks or so. I've seen it happen multiple times now (and for her to like that many random pics of adriana, she's either going to one of adriana's fan pages or browsing her hash tag or something). Just pointing it out because if Adriana was referencing the love magazine, Katie clearly cares not. Or maybe Adriana or her PR team were savvy enough to reach out to her to do a bit of damage control (but I doubt even the bare minimum from her or her team most of the time) OR it wasn't about the love advent specifically.

I definitely think Adriana should keep her social media. And I stand by my comment that she is one of the worst offenders when it comes to being annoying on instagram, but TBH most models are annoying on instagram. I think Gisele does a good job maintaining her page/brand on instagram but I don't follow her because I don't want to see pictures of trees and horses 24/7. But that's subjective. It's not so much about content these days as it is some semblance of aesthetic or at least consistency. Adriana doesn't give us either. I actually kind of *LIKE* that she doesn't have an aesthetic on there and doesn't take herself super seriously but at the same time it's hard not to cringe when she posts quotes about how women are queens and should be treated well (but in fairness, while I would find anyone posting that annoying, it's more annoying to me because as a fan of hers I know that she basically only dates guys that don't treat her well, at least in recent times) Does she need social media? I don't keep up with the numbers and all but I think I agree with Souled Out. And a lot of what you said Corner can also kind of point to a conclusion different than what you're thinking (not that you ought change your mind-- just throwing it out there). Like you said she's not in her prime anymore. It's over. She is well sought after when it comes to models her age but it's not like she's just so in demand that she doesn't have to make some effort. And in 2018, if you're a working model without an instagram? I don't know about that. Kate Moss is Kate Moss. Her birthday just passed and literally every single big name in the industry made it a point to wish her a happy birthday on instagram because it's Kate. Knowing she'll probably never see it. Kate's name alone still has a lot of weight in the industry and sells itself. Gisele is also Gisele. Different level, different status, different career. But I would say that it helps her more as it comes to her brand, she's kind of retired so she's not needing to promote herself for publicity. Sigh. I would not attempt to compare Gisele to Adriana as it comes to expectations or career but Gisele did get a vogue italia cover and all I can think is can we get something Adriana?! A less meaningful vogue maybe. ANYTHING?! Vogue arabia. EVEN VOGUE TURKEY. Surely with this metin bs they would love a cover with her.

I'm not sure how what I said in respect to her making decisions via her emotions is different than you referring to her behaving like an emotional 15 year old at times. It seems from your comments that I've read on here you often times view things in a very binary way. Black or white and nothing in between. Surely there is a grey area between someone seemingly using their emotions as a basis for important life decisions/making impulsive decisions vs. someone being a robot. The in between is what is rationally considered ideal.

You don't have to change your entire personality and everything about yourself to not be petty enough to unfollow a model that unfollows you. I personally have always thought Adriana was petty as hell for caring so much about who she follows or doesn't follow and caring so much about what she sees on her feed that it prompts her to unfollow certain people. She's clearly someone that is often times ruled by her emotions or moods. I think the reason that most people didn't speak about Candice's unfollowing people as Adriana does is because maybe they didn't expect much differently from Candice or maybe they don't follow her in that way (outside of her fans and all other 15 year olds). I think that it doesn't necessarily have to be so much about Candice changing everything about her personality but you have children and you start caring about insignificant things a little bit less (unless you're Adriana, then apparently you for some reason always will care about these kinds of things). It does seem like Candice just grew up. Does it mean she let go of all of her pettiness or insecurities? Probably not. We don't know her and I guess I'll speak for myself but I've never kept up with her enough to be able to speak to how much she has changed. It just simply seems like, if she's aware adriana unfollowed, she just doesn't care about that kind of crap anymore because she has better perspective on life. She has a child and another on the way and she has a brand she will now be focusing on. I love that we get more photos of models in the instagram age but I honestly have found that social media has made me like most models that I had a liking to a little bit less. Adriana included. I think most models are really annoying on instagram/social media. Adriana is one of the worst offenders of this (for me, just with her habits and her posts) but I think generally speaking-- a lot of people feel similarly about models/social media overall.

I agree with this. I have mixed views in terms of my opinion on the content of her last post. I mean I think it's important to support your children regardless of their academic progress, and it's important to help their confidence by making sure that they are aware that their talent or marks in a particular subject don't define their self-worth. In my personal life however I'm somewhat wary of this attitude taken on without room for what's practical. We live in a society where standardized exams do determine a lot, as does your GPA and your ability to do well in school in latter years. I feel that it's important to have a balance. I don't think the answer to doing poorly on cognitive tests is the awareness of there being professions other than doctors and lawyers in the world. I think the correct route is to make sure your child knows they are not stupid for being poor at certain subjects, but to enlist the proper help to help them overcome this. Maybe Adriana does think this too. I'm not ascribing any views to her, but even if she does not believe as I do, I like her last post because at least it takes some kind of a stance and it's an opinion on something. Even if it is somewhat negative in that she *is* complaining or bringing attention to a problem, at least it's not a problem that she profits off of. And her heart is in the right place, like almost always.

^ do you think they'll have Adriana at a vday press event? I don't think they will as they'll use it as an opportunity to push the new girls but it would be nice to get some HQ pictures from a VS event. She's always looked so cute during them.

I think it's probably more that she just hasn't been around much like Souled Out said. He has a relationship with her and I feel that even if he were taken back by her comments it wouldn't be something that would cause him to consciously make decisions to not feature her or comment on her. He didn't post anything too exclusive of adriana but he posted a few pictures from a campaign and commercial in October and November. What I'm curious about is no link or event or item to observe between adriana and vs since her comment? She hasn't been on their instagram since the show. I know they barely featured her on there even before her comments but it's just strange. No events at all or shooting anything? I'm ignorant about when they normally shoot campaigns for the clothing or lingerie or sports line. But I just would have figured there would be SOMETHING. It's been about 60 days? Hopefully she'll do something for VS near valentine's day. Like a store event. Although I'm sure they might just stick with using Taylor Hill and Josephine and Jasmine

Everyone knows how I feel about leech Metin but to be honest I don't know that he posted the story because he noticed a decline in followers. He could have easily posted it on instagram instead of as a story and he could have upped his following in more numbers. I think he's just doing what he always does. Which is try to "subtly" remind everyone and the press that theyre still together. Letting it come off as casual and not try hard as possible, though anyone that pays attention can see past that. And as for Adriana's followers, I've never really kept track of the rate or following or unfollowing for her but I think that any increase in people unfollowing stems mostly from the fact that she doesn't post. I don't think most people will unfollow her because of Metin. The whole reflection of who she dates thing? Maybe. But she has always posted really unnecessary quotes and "inspiration" posts, so maybe that kind of thing is just always a clutter/unpopular and that coupled with her barely posting is enough to unfollow her.

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I doubt that she will. It's in Minnesota this year and it's a far way out. I can see her going if there is anything press related with VS or she is hosting something. Any reason for her to make the trip beyond football. I know she is a sports fan but I'm not sure how often she goes to the superbowl for anything that's not related to vs/press/hosting something. Outside of the year it was in Miami or when she was dating Edelman.

I've mostly only been checking her 'candids' thread lately to see if there are any new photos but reading the conversation over the last two pages I just wanted to contribute a few of my thoughts. This isn't directed at any one person. I think there is a tendency in general on here for people to accuse others of being overly analytical or rehashing the same thing over and over. I think we have to consider that we are all only fans of hers and anything we discuss pertaining to her life is going to have some element of us ascribing our own interpretation of what's happening with Adriana. I think in most cases as long as the people that have been on here for years are saying what they are out of concern and good intentions, we should be able to all respect each others opinions regardless of disagreement. I would like if anyone had a perspective on this and can answer this, what does Adriana mean when she says "we have to change the industry" or whatever she wrote on jourdan's post? I agree with whoever posted that if she made that comment and hadn't made that stupid post that she did last month, it would be no big deal. But coming on the back of it, it does make me roll my eyes a bit. She put out a statement saying she will stay with VS and is going to continue to work for them. So what exactly did she mean by her comment in terms of changing the industry? How do you change an industry that is literally defined by marketing aesthetic appeal, to focus on something other than looks? And also, why should models that get paid extremely well complain about the emphasis the industry puts on looks while continuing to do the work? I think models are allowed to change their minds. If you're a model your entire adult life and you choose one day that it's no longer for you, that's perfectly ok it's a personal choice and the model does not have to explain themselves to anybody. But if you're going to do that and stay in the industry, what are you bringing awareness to exactly? I'm just confused. If we were talking about Adriana or another model going through some kind of abuse or being pressured to do something entirely inappropriate, I understand. But it's a bit comical to see someone like Adriana who makes millions of dollars as a beauty brand ambassador and through VS, talk about wanting to change the industry and making comments about her insecurity in respect to high beauty standards. I think it's great to be open about the fact that even as a supermodel, she feels not good enough sometimes. It can inspire girls that look up to her. But the way that she is going about it seems so petty and kind of disingenuous. The latter is not a word I ever thought I would use to describe her. I've also seen a lot of Adriana fans become a bit disenchanted with her. People on this forum and not on this forum. It makes you realize how many people are fans of Adriana's not merely for her beauty but for the kind of person that they saw her to be. I noticed that Adriana posted that unnecessary quote post and then went silent again. It has only been three days but for a couple of days there she was posting daily. But of course Metin is back in town... I'm not sure why most people on here have decided they won't say anything about him. To each their own. But I'm going to say that it's entirely disheartening that she is still going down this path when it's clear that the Hara family antics were brought to the attention of people close to her and even without that insight, she herself clearly has known that something is off with him. I personally don't put much stock in things like unfollowing or blocking someone on instagram. I think Adriana is petty and childish for her unfollowing games. But at the same time I never took her blocking Metin to mean anything crazy. That kind of crap happens in a relationship and it's not necessarily a sign that the relationship is volatile or abusive. But literally E V E R Y T H I N G else about this man and what has happened since last fall still spells trouble. It's pretty tough to see that she's allowing him to be around her girls for extended periods of time given that he's a master manipulator. It's also true what many of you have said that it's worthless/pointless to try to be so invested in trying to expose who her boyfriend is or trying to show her the light. She can see the light she just doesn't want to be in it. The woman is nearly 40. If by now she wants to continue to be immature then I agree we're wasting our time trying to believe or make happen otherwise. I have always held and still hold that Adriana's biggest problem is her insecurity and her boy troubles. Some say she wasn't that way when she was young. I don't know much about her when she was starting as a model, but I don't think it's so relevant. These days, her insecurity speaks so loudly. She is suddenly the model that will respond to meaningless criticisms on instagram with utterly silly and cliche quotes. She is hyper defensive and seems to distance herself from people on the basis of disagreement, she seems to even view concern from her fans in a negative way. Any kind of disagreement and she can't handle it. It's hard to not view her as weak these days. When I used to view her as being unaffected and not taking herself too seriously. Now she's pretty much mirroring a lot of other insecure and sometimes petty models. I also think that this downturn of insecurity stems largely from her divorce with marko. Obviously I'm speculating but if you think about the string of men she has dated since and how all of her relationships have gone... Adriana is so afraid of being alone and it's getting to a point where it's just toxic to herself. I know she's getting older. And man is divorce tough. People get lonely and they need companionship. But not at ANY cost. She dated Joe and she was with him for too long considering the kind of person he was. Julian is a story that in my opinion made her look like such a mess. On top of that she dated Matt harvey within a week of her and Julian splitting up. All of this... it's a pattern. And now it is something that is leaking into her career and personal life.