elfstone Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Cult Icon said: you get paid to do entertainment? I read documents like that to educate myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfstone Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, RIP_Cabrini_Green said: Because I get paid to read that shit. It's my job. lol Are you familiar with the work of one C. Christine Fair? She knows Al-Qaeda's shit inside out Formerly with Rand CORP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP_Cabrini_Green Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: you get paid to do entertainment? I read documents like that to educate myself Thats cute. Nope, entertainment is on the opposite spectrum of what I do. normal citizens should be more educated on these matters. Unfortunately, Keeping up with the Kardashians seem to be more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, elfstone said: Are you familiar with the work of one C. Christine Fair? She knows Al-Qaeda's shit inside out Formerly with Rand CORP. Professor at UChicago or UVirginia these days To clarify, I like reading primary source documents (but not on the war on terror) and books on subjects that interest me. While sometimes biased with an agenda, they are more pure than, say, an analysis that strings together a collection of sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, RIP_Cabrini_Green said: Thats cute. Nope, entertainment is on the opposite spectrum of what I do. normal citizens should be more educated on these matters. Unfortunately, Keeping up with the Kardashians seem to be more important. vague answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP_Cabrini_Green Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Cult Icon said: Awfully vague answer Exactly how it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, RIP_Cabrini_Green said: Exactly how it should be. Not impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfstone Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Cult Icon said: To clarify, I like reading primary source documents (but not on the war on terror) and books on subjects that interest me. While sometimes biased with an agenda, they are more pure than, say, an analysis that strings together a collection of sources. Jihadi propaganda( al qaeda+daesh) can hardly be considered of any literary significance. Most of them plagiarize from other vigilante/extreme ideologues (loosely non-militant type ie with a dubious stance on militancy ). Take for instance that Baghdadi fellow, the ringleader of ISIL , his first address was mostly paraphrased version of a Pakistani Ideologue named Mawdudi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP_Cabrini_Green Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: Not impressed lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, elfstone said: Jihadi propaganda( al qaeda+daesh) can hardly be considered of any literary significance. Most of them plagiarize from other vigilante/extreme ideologues (loosely non-militant type ie with a dubious stance on militancy ). Take for instance that Baghdadi fellow, the ringleader of ISIL , his first address was mostly paraphrased version of a Pakistani Ideologue named Mawdudi. Reading propaganda (eg. when a politician's lips move) has value if your purpose is to understand the influencing intent of the message. You don't have the read in the details necessarily but skim through the gist of things. This requires certain expertise in understanding the perspective and objectives of the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, RIP_Cabrini_Green said: lol If you are a writer of sorts, most political writing is in the area of entertainment and has little practical use or even insight. Nothing wrong with entertainment; most of the US economy produces services and goods of little intrinsic value. Otherwise you are being too vague to get the fleeting recognition of what you are saying so I guess it ends here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfstone Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: Reading propaganda (eg. when a politician's lips move) has value if your purpose is to understand the influencing intent of the message. You don't have the read in the details necessarily but skim through the gist of things. This requires certain expertise in understanding the perspective and objectives of the source. In all honesty I (wrongly) used word 'propaganda' for lack of a better word. Jihadi texts lack the subtlety and mystification associated with anything with sufficient propaganda value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limerlight Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 45 minutes into the '81 version of Evil Dead. Now she's getting good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, elfstone said: In all honesty I (wrongly) used word 'propaganda' for lack of a better word. Jihadi texts lack the subtlety and mystification associated with anything with sufficient propaganda value. what has led you to believe this and do you have any related expertise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfstone Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Real expertise? no. But I did study a handful of courses in history of Islamic thought in my junior year, which inevitably included reading and critiquing some nasty stuff, mostly concerning 20th century Islamic thought. Anyway, my bone of contention was the status of jihadi texts as primary sources. In my opinion If anybody wants to examine the rotten core of Jihadi thought, they need to read a bit of that Mawdudi guy. He looms large, so much so that large segment of Mainstream Muslims pay homage to him, including Jihadis. His organization received a little funding from US too, during the cold war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Vie Est Belle Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 My vacation time is coming pretty soon. Don't know where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limerlight Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Watching "The Crow" now. It's alright Not overly great but it keeps you watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 hours ago, elfstone said: Real expertise? no. But I did study a handful of courses in history of Islamic thought in my junior year, which inevitably included reading and critiquing some nasty stuff, mostly concerning 20th century Islamic thought. Anyway, my bone of contention was the status of jihadi texts as primary sources. In my opinion If anybody wants to examine the rotten core of Jihadi thought, they need to read a bit of that Mawdudi guy. He looms large, so much so that large segment of Mainstream Muslims pay homage to him, including Jihadis. His organization received a little funding from US too, during the cold war This sounds a bit aggressive but it's not: Basically a non expert and probably a non-muslim then. The fact that you put down a moral judgement shows a red flag. A historian is beyond such things and seeks to clarify perspective. Perspective is not easy to develop. Crusading appeal to some more than the boredom of 'bourgeois' life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchkiki Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 10 hours ago, RIP_Cabrini_Green said: Exactly how it should be. CIA? No, I can't imagine someone on BZ working for CIA Unless... ... you are spying on us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP_Cabrini_Green Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, frenchkiki said: CIA? No, I can't imagine someone on BZ working for CIA Unless... ... you are spying on us? lol, nahh Government agencies are lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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