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Cult Icon Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 https://liveuamap.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine Ukraine admitted to 137 Ukrainians dead, 316 wounded on day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 This actually looks pretty awesome: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Matt! said: Yeah, this idea that Russian nationalists have that the Ukraine is filled with evil nazis is a strange one and has been going on for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt! Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: Yeah, this idea that Russian nationalists have that the Ukraine is filled with evil nazis is a strange one and has been going on for years! Classic Russian propaganda to justify this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cult Icon Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 insane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrico_sw Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 22 hours ago, Cult Icon said: Yeah, this idea that Russian nationalists have that the Ukraine is filled with evil nazis is a strange one and has been going on for years! Calling Ukrainians Nazis is extremely ridiculous and the Russian propaganda has been very mediocre on this front. Dressing up their motives have never been their forte. Also, Zelinsky is jewish, which makes this take even more ridiculous. However, you gotta admit that North Americans have been using this insult more and more often (it's Godwin's law). A CNN anchor said that Trump was a Nazi and compared his tenure to the Kristallnacht (many "celebs" and journalists called Trump a Nazi too). The famous intellectual Whoopi Goldberg had very strange takes on Nazism, which proves that people have very poor historical understanding. Justin Trudeau called the truckers "white supremacists" (which is a sugar-coated version of "nazis"). Many people have lost common sense in the past years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrico_sw Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Cult Icon said: insane! Have you seen this one? I like the courage of these Ukrainian soldiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Zelenskyy & his family are refusing to evacuate Kyiv while the Russians are closing in... and making a show of himself ala Willam Wallace, some high drama here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Enrico_sw said: Have you seen this one? I like the courage of these Ukrainian soldiers. Yes, this was reported in the news today. There was also another one where a Ukrainian combat engineer blew himself up along with a bridge, in order to stop the Russians from getting through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SympathysSilhouette Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 The European response has frankly been pathetic. Now the Russians have openly threatened Sweden and Finland and the reaction is still *crickets*. This is incredibly pathetic. We aren't even talking about a real super-power like the U.S. or China here. Russia has a GDP of less than half of Germany. If not for their nuclear arsenal, we should be treating them roughly like Spain or South Korea in terms of their global importance. Yet people here are terrified to even respond in kind when they are openly threatened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SympathysSilhouette Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 There is a certain irony in Zelensky's courage. Here is a head of state who begged for more U.S. help for years and only got a fraction of it. Yet he is staying and fighting for his country. Meanwhile, the propped up regime in Afghanistan fell almost immediately and Ghani fled immediately, taking a fortune in stolen money with him. In spite of the fact that Afghanistan received far more support in terms of equipment and training from the U.S. Seems all of that money could have been much better spent in Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cult Icon Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 17 hours ago, Enrico_sw said: Calling Ukrainians Nazis is extremely ridiculous and the Russian propaganda has been very mediocre on this front. Dressing up their motives have never been their forte. Also, Zelinsky is jewish, which makes this take even more ridiculous. The Russians have never forgiven Ukrainian collaborators who fought for the Germans in WW2 and how a few Ukrianians honor them as freedom fighters who fought for an independent Ukraine. Their arrangement with the Germans was that they wanted to fight to prevent Soviet domination, so they donned the SS uniform. This unlucky unit was literally annihilated by the Soviet Operation Bagration summer 1944 (it was in the front lines at Brody) in a few weeks. Literally this fairly minor act 80 years ago - relatively few Ukrainians volunteered/or were drafted- is continuously used, up to today by the Russians as one of the main "reasons" of Ukrainians having nazi sympathies. Quite poor.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician) Also white supremacist gangs, which every country has.. The problem with the Ukrainians is that they don't exactly embody the Nazi racial ideal, if the Russians tried to pull this off against the Finns they would at least look the part.. RT- Russian nationalist biased news : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SympathysSilhouette Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 What is the long-term prospect even if Putin wins? I don't think he can support an occupation. He doesn't have the means to do so, even if you don't even factor in Ukrainian nationalists who will be desperate to drag the occupying force into a bloody insurgency. So what does he gain? Annexation of a part of the country (to the East)? What else? If the entire idea was no longer to have a pro-EU/NATO presence on his border, that doesn't change if he has to leave some of the country outside of his control. But he definitely lacks the resources to occupy a country the size of France, with a population of 44 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfstone Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 WTF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt! Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, elfstone said: WTF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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