patt Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 2 hours ago, A.B said: @A.B Thanks a lot. It is say 'Lima and Lemmers have recently been married'. Are they officially married? Quote
patt Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 29 minutes ago, nhlovesadri said: The interview: Iconic supermodel Adriana Lima discusses motherhood, social media trolls and creating a space for mature women within the fashion industry – and just like the heritage Cartier Collection pieces Adriana wears, she only gets better with age It’s fair to say that 2023 has been somewhat of a comeback year for the supermodels of the ’90s and noughties. They’ve enjoyed space in documentaries on streaming channels, group fashion magazine covers, jointly walking the runways again and grabbing designer brand campaigns from the new pretenders. And in the midst of the supers who are making a return is one of the nicest, most down-toearth people in fashion – who also happens to be one of the most beautiful women in the world: Adriana Lima… although she makes it clear that this is just the warm-up to her renaissance. “My true comeback will be in 2024,” she laughs. The model and actress, who is probably most famous for being the longest-running Victoria’s Secret Angel in the world, is now 42-years-old and a mother of five, but is still giving the newbies a run for their money after being named as the face of Victoria’s Secret’s Heavenly Eau de Parfum in April and also starring in the brand’s recent Icons lingerie campaign alongside Gisele Bündchen, Naomi Campbell and Candice Swanepoel. “I feel like there has been a return of the supers,” agrees Adriana as we chat about her recent campaigns. “I’ve been seeing not only supermodels from the 2000s but also from the ’80s and ’90s who have been working a lot lately and I think it’s wonderful to see.” She goes on to explain why that might be. “I think each of the supermodels has a different character and persona, and I think that’s what makes a difference because you can see those distinct personas when they are in photoshoots and on the runaway. They are easily remembered for that. I think that makes it easier for brands to sell because people connect to you, they connect to that distinct personality that you have.” And it seems that brands are finally catching on that consumers want to see women of all age brackets in the limelight. “These supermodels are in different stages of their lives and are being celebrated for being mature women, which is refreshing to see because, as we know, the traditional fashion models usually don’t last that long. But I think that scenario is finishing. I think that as women, we are being celebrated in every stage of our life.” Adriana has a vested interest in wanting that narrative to be true – and that extends beyond her own alleged ‘sell-by date’. “I’m happy to see that change because one of my daughters wants to be a model,” she explains of her eldest, Valentina, aged 14. “And I felt very sad that she, as a model, would be celebrated for only a certain time frame of her life. I think that every stage is a beautiful time and I’m loving that fashion is now embracing that.” So, does she think society is finally changing? Are we moving away from the conventional idea of what models and indeed women should look like? Are we leaving behind the ‘thin, pretty and young’ traditional beauty ideals that have dominated much of her lifetime and career? Adriana is not so sure. “I don’t think we’re [totally] moving away from ‘thin, young and beautiful’; I think that the world is creating space for everyone – and everyone with their uniqueness is being celebrated. I think there is beauty in every stage of a woman and man’s life and it’s wonderful to see that there can be space for everybody.” This does feel like an incredibly positive and gracious attitude from Adriana, considering the onslaught of scrutiny and judgement she faced just a few weeks ago when she stepped out to attend The Hunger Games: The Ballad Of Songbirds & Snakes premiere. Social media comments speculated that her face ‘looked altered’ and that she’d had a facelift or fillers. Others suggested she looked ‘all swollen’ and ‘much older’ than the last time she’d been seen in public. Mainstream media and web publications joined in the beauty-shaming circus. Adriana gently retaliated, posting a bare-faced picture on Instagram with the caption: ‘The face of a tired mom of one teenage girl, two pre-teens, one active boy, a one-year-old learning to walk, and three dogs… thanks for your concern’. “It did not bother me at all,” laughs Adriana. “I’m very strong that way, and honestly, I looked at myself before I stepped out and I was feeling great. I was with my children, and they looked at me and were like, ‘Mom! You look so beautiful!’ Adriana does admit that she was surprised to see how she looked in the pictures, though. “I was in shock when I saw them. I was like ‘that’s not me’. Everything was strange because I don’t see myself like that. I still don’t see myself like that… you can see yourself differently. I didn’t get offended or anything, though – I was laughing. The point is, I am not 16 years old. I started modelling at 16 but I will never be 16 again. I’m 42 and I’m the happiest I’ve been; the happiest with myself. I embrace my age and I will not change for anyone.” With that said, Adriana, who has worked on a number of female empowerment projects, is aware of how it could affect her kids. “My concern about this is not for me, it’s for my children because they were with me, they saw me and then this stuff comes out. I don’t want them to feel the pressure to look a certain way because of other people. If they do that to me, how will they be safe? And the truth is, I don’t think anyone is safe because people are always criticising,” she laments. Adriana Lima On Motherhood and Her Children The model and TV host’s concern for her blended family is at the heart of everything she does and feels. Mother to daughters Valentina, 14 and Sienna, 11 from her marriage to ex-husband Marko Jarić, son Cyan who turned one this August with partner Andre Lemmers and his two children Miah and Lupo from a previous relationship. This makes for a busy household, so how does she cope? “I take it day by day,” she confesses. “Every day is a different story. There is no manual for motherhood. As the kids grow up, they’re going towards different stages of their life. I still have a baby and I have a teenager so every day you deal with different things. I wish I could tell you something magical, some advice, but I just take it a step at a time.” And Adriana’s everyday life is not that out of the ordinary. “I do live quite a normal life and I do everything that a normal person would do. When you’re a model, people think that you’re always going to be dressed up with your hair and make-up done in designer clothes – and that’s not me. When I’m going round the supermarket or dropping my kids at school, people see me but they’re not sure it’s actually me. They get confused,” she laughs. “I like my everyday life, I do everything that someone ‘normal’ would do: drive the kids to school, pick them up, go to the supermarket, walk the dog… just simple things and I love it.” Time off during the pandemic and then being at home pre and post having her youngest child has meant spending most of her time at home in Miami, prioritising motherhood – even if it gets in the way of her own hobbies, exercise and self-care time. Adriana was known for her almost regimental fitness and diet regimes in the lead-up to Victoria’s Secret shows. She’s been boxing since the age of 19 and is an advocate for meditation – but all that has to take somewhat of a backseat these days. “Ok, I’m really struggling,” she laughs. “With children and a baby, it’s hard to be at the gym every day, even though I really do love the gym. Generally, I’ve been doing a lot of cardio like jumping rope and running and also started adding weights which I didn’t do before, and then I’ll do boxing say twice a week for 20 minutes. I try to go to the gym six times a week but I’m not very successful, I really try but with the children it’s crazy. The other day I had my session with my trainer set up and then the school called me to pick up my daughter because she didn’t feel well and then the other one another day, so it’s tough.” Could she not let someone else pick up the children? “On no, I really love it, I love doing everything with them, they’re growing up so quickly. I look at my 14-year-old and I look at pictures of when she was a baby – it’s happened in the blink of an eye. It’s funny because I didn’t want children, but then I changed and now I want more kids!” I ask her about her down time, if indeed there is any. “I used to meditate a lot but now there’s no time. I barely have time to go out for dinner with my husband. So my meditation is going to the bathroom for five minutes and locking myself in and praying that my kids are not going to be knocking at my door and asking me for something they need,” she smiles. “I do love watching old Hollywood movies and Italian classics like La Dolce Vita with Anita Ekberg, I’m also obsessed with Lauren Bacall and I use those films for inspiration when it comes to fashion but I only really get to watch films on the plane these days!” And is fashion still a big thing for her? “Fashion is in my blood,” says Adriana, who has worked with brands including Versace, Prada, Loewe and Louis Vuitton. “When it comes to designers, I love Tamara Ralph. I think she’s so elegant and I saw her comeback this year. I was so excited to see all her designs. I’m also waiting for a comeback from Riccardo Tisci. I love him, I think he’s so creative and so different, and I can’t wait to see his return.” Despite the business of motherhood, Adriana has managed to find time for work, be that modelling, documentary-making, humanitarian work or in her role as a FIFA fan ambassador, which the self-proclaimed lover of the sport is continuing with into next year. “I can’t share a lot of details of the work I’ve done with FIFA yet but I can say that there wasn’t one single trip that I did with them where I wasn’t involved in a charity. We went to visit a few hospitals, different countries, different schools and we went to visit a particular place that really caught my attention.” Adriana, who worked on the FIFA: A Love Letter to Rwanda short earlier this year, can’t share the details of the latest project but tells us the story of meeting a humanitarian worker who has rescued 100 young children from politically unstable countries and is providing them with education and a place to stay. She’s passionate about being able to tell this woman’s story in detail soon. So what else can we expect from the woman who was named Victoria’s Secret’s most-valuable model? “A lot of things happened this year for me, but I wouldn’t call it my comeback yet. I think my official comeback will actually be next year,” she reveals. “You guys will see that. That’s all I can say for now!” We can’t wait. As many of Adriana’s fans have exclaimed: The queen is back. @nhlovesadri The interview of Harper's Bazaar Arabia??? I assume the source is HB Arabia but something doesn't add up. Didn't this HB Arabia work done long before Hunger Games Premiere. Did they reinterviewed her?? Maybe interview was planned to happen later but i doubt they planned this headline before. Quote
laeteita Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 @Souled-Out She was directly asked about her Hunger Games premiere look. Maybe because of the delay, they had chance to add that part. IDK @patt Quote
nhlovesadri Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 26 minutes ago, patt said: @nhlovesadri The interview of Harper's Bazaar Arabia??? I assume the source is HB Arabia but something doesn't add up. Didn't this HB Arabia work done long before Hunger Games Premiere. Did they reinterviewed her?? Maybe interview was planned to happen later but i doubt they planned this headline before. Yes it was featured in their website Quote
nhlovesadri Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, laeteita said: @Souled-Out She was directly asked about her Hunger Games premiere look. Maybe because of the delay, they had chance to add that part. IDK I think so too, maybe who now manages her pr (professionally or amateur-like idk for sue, but lately it seems the latter) asked for that part to be included on purpose as a way to deal with the situation. Quote
laeteita Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 11 hours ago, A.B said: Genuinely thanks for posting. Narrative style got me thinking the interviewer did some research beforehand and was under influence of some untrue information on the web. Also, Adriana keeps calling him husband on insta and introduce him like that to the press at the events. @patt Quote
Souled-Out Posted December 8, 2023 Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 8:19 AM, nhlovesadri said: The interview: Iconic supermodel Adriana Lima discusses motherhood, social media trolls and creating a space for mature women within the fashion industry – and just like the heritage Cartier Collection pieces Adriana wears, she only gets better with age It’s fair to say that 2023 has been somewhat of a comeback year for the supermodels of the ’90s and noughties. They’ve enjoyed space in documentaries on streaming channels, group fashion magazine covers, jointly walking the runways again and grabbing designer brand campaigns from the new pretenders. And in the midst of the supers who are making a return is one of the nicest, most down-toearth people in fashion – who also happens to be one of the most beautiful women in the world: Adriana Lima… although she makes it clear that this is just the warm-up to her renaissance. “My true comeback will be in 2024,” she laughs. The model and actress, who is probably most famous for being the longest-running Victoria’s Secret Angel in the world, is now 42-years-old and a mother of five, but is still giving the newbies a run for their money after being named as the face of Victoria’s Secret’s Heavenly Eau de Parfum in April and also starring in the brand’s recent Icons lingerie campaign alongside Gisele Bündchen, Naomi Campbell and Candice Swanepoel. “I feel like there has been a return of the supers,” agrees Adriana as we chat about her recent campaigns. “I’ve been seeing not only supermodels from the 2000s but also from the ’80s and ’90s who have been working a lot lately and I think it’s wonderful to see.” She goes on to explain why that might be. “I think each of the supermodels has a different character and persona, and I think that’s what makes a difference because you can see those distinct personas when they are in photoshoots and on the runaway. They are easily remembered for that. I think that makes it easier for brands to sell because people connect to you, they connect to that distinct personality that you have.” And it seems that brands are finally catching on that consumers want to see women of all age brackets in the limelight. “These supermodels are in different stages of their lives and are being celebrated for being mature women, which is refreshing to see because, as we know, the traditional fashion models usually don’t last that long. But I think that scenario is finishing. I think that as women, we are being celebrated in every stage of our life.” Adriana has a vested interest in wanting that narrative to be true – and that extends beyond her own alleged ‘sell-by date’. “I’m happy to see that change because one of my daughters wants to be a model,” she explains of her eldest, Valentina, aged 14. “And I felt very sad that she, as a model, would be celebrated for only a certain time frame of her life. I think that every stage is a beautiful time and I’m loving that fashion is now embracing that.” So, does she think society is finally changing? Are we moving away from the conventional idea of what models and indeed women should look like? Are we leaving behind the ‘thin, pretty and young’ traditional beauty ideals that have dominated much of her lifetime and career? Adriana is not so sure. “I don’t think we’re [totally] moving away from ‘thin, young and beautiful’; I think that the world is creating space for everyone – and everyone with their uniqueness is being celebrated. I think there is beauty in every stage of a woman and man’s life and it’s wonderful to see that there can be space for everybody.” This does feel like an incredibly positive and gracious attitude from Adriana, considering the onslaught of scrutiny and judgement she faced just a few weeks ago when she stepped out to attend The Hunger Games: The Ballad Of Songbirds & Snakes premiere. Social media comments speculated that her face ‘looked altered’ and that she’d had a facelift or fillers. Others suggested she looked ‘all swollen’ and ‘much older’ than the last time she’d been seen in public. Mainstream media and web publications joined in the beauty-shaming circus. Adriana gently retaliated, posting a bare-faced picture on Instagram with the caption: ‘The face of a tired mom of one teenage girl, two pre-teens, one active boy, a one-year-old learning to walk, and three dogs… thanks for your concern’. “It did not bother me at all,” laughs Adriana. “I’m very strong that way, and honestly, I looked at myself before I stepped out and I was feeling great. I was with my children, and they looked at me and were like, ‘Mom! You look so beautiful!’ Adriana does admit that she was surprised to see how she looked in the pictures, though. “I was in shock when I saw them. I was like ‘that’s not me’. Everything was strange because I don’t see myself like that. I still don’t see myself like that… you can see yourself differently. I didn’t get offended or anything, though – I was laughing. The point is, I am not 16 years old. I started modelling at 16 but I will never be 16 again. I’m 42 and I’m the happiest I’ve been; the happiest with myself. I embrace my age and I will not change for anyone.” With that said, Adriana, who has worked on a number of female empowerment projects, is aware of how it could affect her kids. “My concern about this is not for me, it’s for my children because they were with me, they saw me and then this stuff comes out. I don’t want them to feel the pressure to look a certain way because of other people. If they do that to me, how will they be safe? And the truth is, I don’t think anyone is safe because people are always criticising,” she laments. Adriana Lima On Motherhood and Her Children The model and TV host’s concern for her blended family is at the heart of everything she does and feels. Mother to daughters Valentina, 14 and Sienna, 11 from her marriage to ex-husband Marko Jarić, son Cyan who turned one this August with partner Andre Lemmers and his two children Miah and Lupo from a previous relationship. This makes for a busy household, so how does she cope? “I take it day by day,” she confesses. “Every day is a different story. There is no manual for motherhood. As the kids grow up, they’re going towards different stages of their life. I still have a baby and I have a teenager so every day you deal with different things. I wish I could tell you something magical, some advice, but I just take it a step at a time.” And Adriana’s everyday life is not that out of the ordinary. “I do live quite a normal life and I do everything that a normal person would do. When you’re a model, people think that you’re always going to be dressed up with your hair and make-up done in designer clothes – and that’s not me. When I’m going round the supermarket or dropping my kids at school, people see me but they’re not sure it’s actually me. They get confused,” she laughs. “I like my everyday life, I do everything that someone ‘normal’ would do: drive the kids to school, pick them up, go to the supermarket, walk the dog… just simple things and I love it.” Time off during the pandemic and then being at home pre and post having her youngest child has meant spending most of her time at home in Miami, prioritising motherhood – even if it gets in the way of her own hobbies, exercise and self-care time. Adriana was known for her almost regimental fitness and diet regimes in the lead-up to Victoria’s Secret shows. She’s been boxing since the age of 19 and is an advocate for meditation – but all that has to take somewhat of a backseat these days. “Ok, I’m really struggling,” she laughs. “With children and a baby, it’s hard to be at the gym every day, even though I really do love the gym. Generally, I’ve been doing a lot of cardio like jumping rope and running and also started adding weights which I didn’t do before, and then I’ll do boxing say twice a week for 20 minutes. I try to go to the gym six times a week but I’m not very successful, I really try but with the children it’s crazy. The other day I had my session with my trainer set up and then the school called me to pick up my daughter because she didn’t feel well and then the other one another day, so it’s tough.” Could she not let someone else pick up the children? “On no, I really love it, I love doing everything with them, they’re growing up so quickly. I look at my 14-year-old and I look at pictures of when she was a baby – it’s happened in the blink of an eye. It’s funny because I didn’t want children, but then I changed and now I want more kids!” I ask her about her down time, if indeed there is any. “I used to meditate a lot but now there’s no time. I barely have time to go out for dinner with my husband. So my meditation is going to the bathroom for five minutes and locking myself in and praying that my kids are not going to be knocking at my door and asking me for something they need,” she smiles. “I do love watching old Hollywood movies and Italian classics like La Dolce Vita with Anita Ekberg, I’m also obsessed with Lauren Bacall and I use those films for inspiration when it comes to fashion but I only really get to watch films on the plane these days!” And is fashion still a big thing for her? “Fashion is in my blood,” says Adriana, who has worked with brands including Versace, Prada, Loewe and Louis Vuitton. “When it comes to designers, I love Tamara Ralph. I think she’s so elegant and I saw her comeback this year. I was so excited to see all her designs. I’m also waiting for a comeback from Riccardo Tisci. I love him, I think he’s so creative and so different, and I can’t wait to see his return.” Despite the business of motherhood, Adriana has managed to find time for work, be that modelling, documentary-making, humanitarian work or in her role as a FIFA fan ambassador, which the self-proclaimed lover of the sport is continuing with into next year. “I can’t share a lot of details of the work I’ve done with FIFA yet but I can say that there wasn’t one single trip that I did with them where I wasn’t involved in a charity. We went to visit a few hospitals, different countries, different schools and we went to visit a particular place that really caught my attention.” Adriana, who worked on the FIFA: A Love Letter to Rwanda short earlier this year, can’t share the details of the latest project but tells us the story of meeting a humanitarian worker who has rescued 100 young children from politically unstable countries and is providing them with education and a place to stay. She’s passionate about being able to tell this woman’s story in detail soon. So what else can we expect from the woman who was named Victoria’s Secret’s most-valuable model? “A lot of things happened this year for me, but I wouldn’t call it my comeback yet. I think my official comeback will actually be next year,” she reveals. “You guys will see that. That’s all I can say for now!” We can’t wait. As many of Adriana’s fans have exclaimed: The queen is back. Read the interview, not excited to see she is still working with fifa, her time with them this year just wasn’t enjoyable for us fans. But its money in her pocket I suppose Pretty much figures that the reason she is struggling to keep weight down/maintain fitness is because of her life style and all the kids. Consistency is the problem. But I agree with Harper’s Bazaar that she could just get more help than she is apparently not getting. Obviously she says she wants to be doing everything with her kids. But we all know if you keep doing the same thing and don’t make improvements, you’re not gonna see any different results or make progress. This is why she hasn’t made it to the point where she lost all the baby weight and bloat. If she doesn’t want to retire, she has to find a way to work on that more, because clearly slacking off in that department didn’t work well for her I am glad she knew that this year wasn’t a come back year. I like that she has the goal of making 2024 the year she really comes back. I really hope she is serious about that and really do make a real come back in 2024 Quote
Marsnoop Posted May 9, 2024 Posted May 9, 2024 Seems like she left CAA: https://fashion.caa.com/fashion Quote
XSS Posted May 10, 2024 Posted May 10, 2024 4 hours ago, Marsnoop said: Seems like she left CAA: https://fashion.caa.com/fashion So where she goes? I remember last year she visited the CAA but we don't know what she was doing here. Quote
Souled-Out Posted May 10, 2024 Posted May 10, 2024 14 hours ago, Marsnoop said: Seems like she left CAA: https://fashion.caa.com/fashion i’m okay with that, gisele left them too. Probably not the best agency to have. Hopefully she signed to a better one! Quote
patt Posted May 13, 2024 Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/10/2024 at 12:49 AM, Marsnoop said: Seems like she left CAA: https://fashion.caa.com/fashion I knew all those rumors are true. We all saw this is coming… Quote
XSS Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 21 hours ago, Marsnoop said: What rumors? The rumors that she will not attend the Cannes and then retire LOL Quote
Souled-Out Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 8 hours ago, XSS said: The rumors that she will not attend the Cannes and then retire LOL cannes have nothing to do with CAA being an agent. and I think there is a high chance she will be at cannes. adriana obviously been working on losing weight. Its not for nothing. If she planned on retiring she likely wouldn’t have lost more weight or returned to the gym (love her but I don’t think she really enjoys doing what she has to do to maintain a very fit body). She obviously put herself back in a better mode to lose weight for a reason Quote
patt Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 5:05 PM, Marsnoop said: What rumors? @Marsnoop CAA is not happy with Adriana so they won’t renew contract. Because, the break was not planned, also she turned down some works CAA offered. Thats what i read. Quote
Souled-Out Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 39 minutes ago, patt said: @Marsnoop CAA is not happy with Adriana so they won’t renew contract. Because, the break was not planned, also she turned down some works CAA offered. Thats what i read. The models/celebs chooses the agencies not the other way around These agents DO NOT pay the models/celebs, the models pay THEM. Its the agency that does the work for pay, adriana doesn’t work for the agency. The agency works for her. They don’t pay adriana nothing. Adriana pays THEM. Adriana’s departure was her own decision and its probably for the same reasons gisele also left them. Gisele is the super smart and more successful model of the two. So she left them quickly (within a year). Probably because she saw early on that they don’t do enough. Adriana is clearly trying to get back into modeling so it makes sense she leaves them if she isn’t satisfied with them as well. Thats likely what happened. IDK who made up that rumor but they obviously don’t know how this stuff works. When models leave an agency its because they decided to, because it is the model themselves who pay the agency for giving them work. IDK who made that fabrication up, but they not a fan of Adriana. And they don’t know what they are talking about. Having a modeling agency is not the same thing as having a VS contract or something lmao. They don’t choose you and then give you away based on how they feel. Its the model themselves who does that. Here is how it really works Quote
borg Posted May 15, 2024 Posted May 15, 2024 Victoria's Secret is bringing back the fashion show, they announced on Instagram with a video starring Candice, for this fall. Maybe all the workout Adriana is doing is for her to come back? I'm sure the show will be more inclusive with women of different bodies and ages, not like before. So I genuinely believe that there is a chance for models over 40 or even 50 years old to see them again in VS, like in that campaign they did 2 years ago with Adriana, Gisele or Naomi. In the video there are references to the wings of angels, so the concept of angel returns (good news) and it is to be hoped that models who have been angels will return, in addition to Candice, who is officially going to be in the show. Adriana would make sense because of what she represents for the brand as VS's most iconic angel, so we'll see. Another one who I would bet is going to be there is Taylor Hill, who has not stopped working with the brand even though the brand stopped doing the show, unlike other models of her generation like Romee or Josephine. Quote
XSS Posted May 15, 2024 Posted May 15, 2024 20 minutes ago, borg said: Victoria's Secret is bringing back the fashion show, they announced on Instagram with a video starring Candice, for this fall. Maybe all the workout Adriana is doing is for her to come back? I'm sure the show will be more inclusive with women of different bodies and ages, not like before. So I genuinely believe that there is a chance for models over 40 or even 50 years old to see them again in VS, like in that campaign they did 2 years ago with Adriana, Gisele or Naomi. In the video there are references to the wings of angels, so the concept of angel returns (good news) and it is to be hoped that models who have been angels will return, in addition to Candice, who is officially going to be in the show. Adriana would make sense because of what she represents for the brand as VS's most iconic angel, so we'll see. Another one who I would bet is going to be there is Taylor Hill, who has not stopped working with the brand even though the brand stopped doing the show, unlike other models of her generation like Romee or Josephine. Personally I don't hope she keeps working for VS. Last year it's a good end for both, her and VS. She got enough from VS and it's time to move on. Quote
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