April 9, 20241 yr On 3/22/2024 at 6:41 AM, Jade Bahr said: It's very very good, very thrilling and of course very sad and sometimes tough/hard to watch. A plus: Overwhelmingly handsome cast. The previous two in the trilogy are among the best WW2 creations of all time (Band of Brothers and the Pacific) as they closely follow actual history books & memoirs. I don't like the cast for this new film compared to the previous ones at first glance but I can see that there is a commitment to the book that it is based off of. I also don't like how they made the pilots too good looking and glamorous compared to real life. American airmen suffered horrifying losses in WW2, hundreds of thousands of men were casualties.
April 9, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Cult Icon said: The New show has Frida G (high fashion model, was a top model for a while on BZ). She's actually really good. 5 hours ago, Cult Icon said: I am a big fan of the original Vikings series and Travis Fimmel. It never pretended to be historically accurate (it is inaccurate) but is such an entertaining show with so many good scenes. In a way I like it better than the second half of Game of Thrones. The principal OG crew had great chemistry with each other. I never managed to finish VIKINGS after Travis left. Believe me or not I tried it - 2 times. 5 hours ago, Cult Icon said: His role as Ragner was epic and it seems to have been the highlight of his career. Like a perfect fit. One of my most favorite roles in film/tv. He was in a bunch of other things afterwards but seemed out of place . He was really good in (also GREAT show) and (another very good thrilling show) I still have to watch but since HBO Max canceled this one in the middle of the story I'm not really motivated (even though the ratings are superb). But I agree he has some very strong mannerism as an actor which he seems to can't shake off. For some roles that makes him outstanding for others limited.
April 9, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, Cult Icon said: The previous two in the trilogy are among the best WW2 creations of all time (Band of Brothers and the Pacific) as they closely follow actual history books & memoirs. Already on my watchlist both of them 12 hours ago, Cult Icon said: American airmen suffered horrifying losses in WW2, hundreds of thousands of men were casualties. I found the show and characters so interesting I watched the documentary about the real pilots and their fates right after. I also think the show made it very clear there's no fun in war and those guys were mostly -sadly- just used as cannon fodder. So I guess apple made something right. I also think it's kinda shocking how the americans managed to be outraged about how the nazis treated "not aryan" mostly jewish people -don't get me wrong what the nazis did, their orchestrally planned mass murders in those concentration camps defined the title 'unhuman monsters' new- but for example black US pilots weren't allowed to fly with white US pilots heck they weren't even allowed to stay in the same pilot camps - among other racist behaviour also years before and after this terrible war. Looks to me like those proud americans learned very little about humanity/to not seperate and treaten others like they're worth less just like the nazis did but claiming at the same time how they "free" people and the world. Yeah, certain people maybe. At least "this issue" is addressed here I guess that's a start.
April 11, 20241 yr Exciting, sad and somehow outrageous. I hope that the Catholic Church is forever embarrassed and everyone who was actively involved in these terrible “Magdalene Laundries.”
April 12, 20241 yr On 4/9/2024 at 7:34 AM, Jade Bahr said: She's actually really good. I never managed to finish VIKINGS after Travis left. Believe me or not I tried it - 2 times. He was really good in (also GREAT show) and (another very good thrilling show) I still have to watch but since HBO Max canceled this one in the middle of the story I'm not really motivated (even though the ratings are superb). But I agree he has some very strong mannerism as an actor which he seems to can't shake off. For some roles that makes him outstanding for others limited. I saw part of Raised by the Wolves S1 and I thought him to be really out of place, he behaved somewhat like Ragner.. there was also two feature films that he was in where he didn't stand out (Warcraft and some Aussie movie). I then started thinking that he was playing himself as Ragner...? Yeah he has unusual mannerisms and voice that make me think that it was Ragner in everything. I didn't see the other two shows, I suppose he was more different there? The Vikings show degraded in quality after Season 4 to me but I still watched it. (Still better than the final 2 seasons of GOT). Ragner really held the show together. I recall that the director originally only wanted Travis to play the role for 1 or 2 seasons but he was so good that his storyline was dragged out and the stories of his children were pushed further back. I saw an interview in his home after he left the show and he appeared to be quite depressed, he even considered on leaving show biz for farming. The next set of characters weren't as good as the OG crew and some of the degrading of the crew in later seasons weren't to everybody's liking. I haven't seen Valhalla. Frida G. is very much a viking super-beauty as it is.. You may like the new show Shogun. I have started watching it and am surprised at its high quality, it's set up like a Japanese version of Game of Thrones/Vikings. The Japanese cast they use are seasoned actors from Japan.
April 12, 20241 yr On 4/9/2024 at 7:47 AM, Jade Bahr said: Already on my watchlist both of them I found the show and characters so interesting I watched the documentary about the real pilots and their fates right after. I also think the show made it very clear there's no fun in war and those guys were mostly -sadly- just used as cannon fodder. So I guess apple made something right. I also think it's kinda shocking how the americans managed to be outraged about how the nazis treated "not aryan" mostly jewish people -don't get me wrong what the nazis did, their orchestrally planned mass murders in those concentration camps defined the title 'unhuman monsters' new- but for example black US pilots weren't allowed to fly with white US pilots heck they weren't even allowed to stay in the same pilot camps - among other racist behaviour also years before and after this terrible war. Looks to me like those proud americans learned very little about humanity/to not seperate and treaten others like they're worth less just like the nazis did but claiming at the same time how they "free" people and the world. Yeah, certain people maybe. At least "this issue" is addressed here I guess that's a start. Saving Private Ryan, Band and Brothers & the Pacific have a huge cultural impact- The computer game series "Call of Duty" (biggest shooter franchise in the world) started off by simply adapting the scenarios in the miniseries/film. In particular the cast for Band of Brothers was very good and iconic. When the show came out, the WW2 generation was dying off and seeing its swansong. Yeah, Allied Bomber pilots and Infantrymen suffered the worst losses in WW2 compared to everything else. Basically getting assigned to these functions was a very high chance of injury or death. Yes there was a great deal of racism in the 1940s and for decades afterwards before the Civil Rights Act. And there is still racism now. Besides Blacks being considered a sub-human underclass (and by law in parts of the country) Asians were imprisoned in detainment camps just because the nation was at war with Japan. Well, as the United States is steadily declining in the world on all fronts, its days of empire are fading away- ultimately as a short-lived and not very good one. If it was a better country we would not be in the bad position we are today. I don't know where you are from, are you European?
April 12, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Cult Icon said: I saw part of Raised by the Wolves S1 and I thought him to be really out of place, he behaved somewhat like Ragner.. there was also two feature films that he was in where he didn't stand out (Warcraft and some Aussie movie). I then started thinking that he was playing himself as Ragner...? Yeah he has unusual mannerisms and voice that make me think that it was Ragner in everything. I watched Warcraft back then even in cinema (mostly for Travis lol) and was suprised how much I liked it actually. I think most movies based on video games are mostly something between poor and medicore at best. On the other hand I never played a video game once in my life so I'm not really knowing what I'm talking about 😄 But I can't remember thinking he was too much Ragnar here. But it's been years I have seen it don't know how I would think about it today. 7 hours ago, Cult Icon said: I didn't see the other two shows, I suppose he was more different there? Boys swallos universe is a crazy, bloody, weird, brutal and yet heart warming journey with outstanding interesting absurd aussie characters so that Travis natural awkwarkness can practically disappearing because everything is highly awkward and bizarre if that makes any sense. If you haven't watched the show I can highly recommend. Everything about it is just amazing from story, to characters, to cast etc. He's playing a troubled detective in Black Snow so he can still work with his very own quirks without falling off the characters grid but at the same time it's probably his most decent/likeable role ever. The show also not just manage to play in 2 time levels but being a captivating criminal case with a moving coming-of-drama + australian history lesson. The series focuses on the history of slavery in Australia. In the mid-19th century, tens of thousands of Pacific Islanders were brought to Australia to work, sometimes to the death, in the sugar cane fields. It's the kind of historical lesson you never know you needed lol I would love to see him doing another season/case. 7 hours ago, Cult Icon said: I saw an interview in his home after he left the show and he appeared to be quite depressed, he even considered on leaving show biz for farming. I could be wrong but I think he never really liked the idea of fame aka being in the spotlight of any kind of attention. 7 hours ago, Cult Icon said: You may like the new show Shogun. I have started watching it and am surprised at its high quality, it's set up like a Japanese version of Game of Thrones/Vikings. The Japanese cast they use are seasoned actors from Japan. I put it on my watchlist asap.
April 12, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Cult Icon said: Saving Private Ryan, Band and Brothers & the Pacific have a huge cultural impact- The computer game series "Call of Duty" (biggest shooter franchise in the world) started off by simply adapting the scenarios in the miniseries/film. In particular the cast for Band of Brothers was very good and iconic. When the show came out, the WW2 generation was dying off and seeing its swansong. I was way too young when those movies/shows came out. I watched Saving Private Ryan at one point of course and thought it was horribly realistic in showing how the war might haven been for the men who had to fight - even though I'm pretty sure nor a movie or show come ever close to the real horror of those events, but ya know what I mean. 6 hours ago, Cult Icon said: I don't know where you are from, are you European? Yes, I come from Europe (germany to be exactly). Not everything is great here either, but sometimes I feel like we are all so spoiled and complaining while on a very high level of comfort. Can't speak for everyone of course. So maybe it's just me.
April 16, 20241 yr On 4/12/2024 at 8:21 AM, Jade Bahr said: I was way too young when those movies/shows came out. I watched Saving Private Ryan at one point of course and thought it was horribly realistic in showing how the war might haven been for the men who had to fight - even though I'm pretty sure nor a movie or show come ever close to the real horror of those events, but ya know what I mean. Yes, I come from Europe (germany to be exactly). Not everything is great here either, but sometimes I feel like we are all so spoiled and complaining while on a very high level of comfort. Can't speak for everyone of course. So maybe it's just me. I wish that it was politically correct to do films from the German perspective. The problem with German POV war films is that they always have a huge political bias rather than trying to present things as they historically were. What filmmakers do in film/TV is 'condense' battles for the camera. So most of it does not look like what historical records say. The achievement of the crew that did BOB/Pacific/MOA/SPR is that they make compromises with what happened vs what is filmable, leading to a pretty good result. Real WW2 combat has the troops spread widely apart (not very filmable) outside of assembly areas, also the fighting takes place over the course of days typically rather than within minutes. There is a lot of positional fighting that creeps forward rather than very rapid movement. The vast majority of men are casualties due to artillery & mortar fire rather than bullets. On SPR film, the Omaha beach had around 2,000 American casualties in a pretty small area so it was a killing field so to speak.
April 16, 20241 yr On 4/12/2024 at 8:01 AM, Jade Bahr said: I watched Warcraft back then even in cinema (mostly for Travis lol) and was suprised how much I liked it actually. I think most movies based on video games are mostly something between poor and medicore at best. On the other hand I never played a video game once in my life so I'm not really knowing what I'm talking about 😄 But I can't remember thinking he was too much Ragnar here. But it's been years I have seen it don't know how I would think about it today. Boys swallos universe is a crazy, bloody, weird, brutal and yet heart warming journey with outstanding interesting absurd aussie characters so that Travis natural awkwarkness can practically disappearing because everything is highly awkward and bizarre if that makes any sense. If you haven't watched the show I can highly recommend. Everything about it is just amazing from story, to characters, to cast etc. He's playing a troubled detective in Black Snow so he can still work with his very own quirks without falling off the characters grid but at the same time it's probably his most decent/likeable role ever. The show also not just manage to play in 2 time levels but being a captivating criminal case with a moving coming-of-drama + australian history lesson. The series focuses on the history of slavery in Australia. In the mid-19th century, tens of thousands of Pacific Islanders were brought to Australia to work, sometimes to the death, in the sugar cane fields. It's the kind of historical lesson you never know you needed lol I would love to see him doing another season/case. Oh thanks for this. I don't know that much about Travis' later work. So it appears that he has found success after Vikings as well.
April 17, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, Cult Icon said: The problem with German POV war films is that they always have a huge political bias rather than trying to present things as they historically were. Can you name a few movies?
April 18, 20241 yr On 4/17/2024 at 4:57 AM, Jade Bahr said: Can you name a few movies? Pretty much every major German WW2 movie The Bridge, Stalingrad 1993, Generation War (very hamfisted), etc. plus the films about extremely minor characters in the grand scheme of things like Sophie Scroll etc. The choice of topics is quite obvious that they would never do a serious historically movie/show work from an authentic German army's point of view due to contemporary politics. Outside of Der Untergang (Downfall) which I like the rest are marred with artificial writing. The way the 'German band of brothers' (Generation War) was written compared to "Band of Brothers" is like night & day. American movies from the German POV also have a huge ahistorical distortion and a hamfisted artificial message about 'the Good German vs. the Nazi' due to Cold War era politics and afterwards - All Quite on the Western Front, Valkyrie, Bridge from Remagen, The Desert Fox, Iron Cross etc. In western films they will often put in a 'Good German' vs the Nazi character- eg. Schindler's List & the Pianist to balance things out.
April 19, 20241 yr @Cult Icon ^Believe me when I tell you there are tons of movies of the german POV - coming to my mind are Der Vorleser (The Reader - the book maybe more than the movie), Napola - Elite für den Führer (Before The Fall), Die Fälscher (The Counterfeiters), Geheime Reichssache (The Men behind Hitler), The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, Leni Riefenstahl: Olympia (from 1939), Kolberg (from 1945), Quax der Bruchpilot (Quax the Crash Pilot - even though it's more a comedy from 1941), Verräter vor dem Volksgericht (Traitors before the People's Court), Die Mörder sind unter uns (The Murderers Are Among Us), Der Hauptmann (The Captain), Vor der Morgenröte (Farewell to Europe), Ein verborgenes Leben (A Hidden Life), Steiner – Das Eiserne Kreuz (Cross of Iron part I + II), Lore (POV of the daughter of a high ranked nazi), Des Teufels General (The Devil's General), Aimée & Jaguar (love story between the wife of a nazi and a jewish woman), Anonyma - Eine Frau in Berlin (A Woman In Berlin), Unser letzter Sommer (Summer Solstice), Dresden, München – Im Angesicht des Krieges (Munich – The Edge of War), Hitlerjunge Salomon (Europa, Europa), Der Unhold (The Ogre), Stella. Ein Leben (Last Song for Stella). Then of course super famous Das Boot (from Wolfgang Petersen), Die Blechtrommel (The Tin Drum), Das Wunder von Bern (The Miracle of Bern), So weit die Füße tragen (As Far as My Feet Will Carry Me), Stauffenberg from 2004 (not the Tom Cruise one - there are lots more of german movies about this dude), Unter dem Sand – Das Versprechen der Freiheit (Under sandet), Im Labyrinth des Schweigens (Labyrinth of Lies), Der Staat gegen Fritz Bauer (The People vs. Fritz Bauer). I could go on and on because yeah the germans love to process their dark history you just have to look beside the commercial stuff. As a kid in germany you grow up with the permament memory of this part of our inglorious past. And that's only WWII 😆 I think you also have to distinguish between a motion picture and a documentary. I think motion pictures are mostly either overdrawn or historical changed for the sake of the story/characters, pace and access for the audience. If you want 100% history accuracy you have to watch the movies made during the reign of the German Empire if you have access to them. There are literally tons of it. Of course not every title is available in every country. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_während_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus_im_Deutschen_Reich_uraufgeführten_deutschen_Spielfilme
April 21, 20241 yr On 4/19/2024 at 6:15 AM, Jade Bahr said: @Cult Icon ^Believe me when I tell you there are tons of movies of the german POV - coming to my mind are Der Vorleser (The Reader - the book maybe more than the movie), Napola - Elite für den Führer (Before The Fall), Die Fälscher (The Counterfeiters), Geheime Reichssache (The Men behind Hitler), The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, Leni Riefenstahl: Olympia (from 1939), Kolberg (from 1945), Quax der Bruchpilot (Quax the Crash Pilot - even though it's more a comedy from 1941), Verräter vor dem Volksgericht (Traitors before the People's Court), Die Mörder sind unter uns (The Murderers Are Among Us), Der Hauptmann (The Captain), Vor der Morgenröte (Farewell to Europe), Ein verborgenes Leben (A Hidden Life), Steiner – Das Eiserne Kreuz (Cross of Iron part I + II), Lore (POV of the daughter of a high ranked nazi), Des Teufels General (The Devil's General), Aimée & Jaguar (love story between the wife of a nazi and a jewish woman), Anonyma - Eine Frau in Berlin (A Woman In Berlin), Unser letzter Sommer (Summer Solstice), Dresden, München – Im Angesicht des Krieges (Munich – The Edge of War), Hitlerjunge Salomon (Europa, Europa), Der Unhold (The Ogre), Stella. Ein Leben (Last Song for Stella). Then of course super famous Das Boot (from Wolfgang Petersen), Die Blechtrommel (The Tin Drum), Das Wunder von Bern (The Miracle of Bern), So weit die Füße tragen (As Far as My Feet Will Carry Me), Stauffenberg from 2004 (not the Tom Cruise one - there are lots more of german movies about this dude), Unter dem Sand – Das Versprechen der Freiheit (Under sandet), Im Labyrinth des Schweigens (Labyrinth of Lies), Der Staat gegen Fritz Bauer (The People vs. Fritz Bauer). I could go on and on because yeah the germans love to process their dark history you just have to look beside the commercial stuff. As a kid in germany you grow up with the permament memory of this part of our inglorious past. And that's only WWII 😆 I think you also have to distinguish between a motion picture and a documentary. I think motion pictures are mostly either overdrawn or historical changed for the sake of the story/characters, pace and access for the audience. If you want 100% history accuracy you have to watch the movies made during the reign of the German Empire if you have access to them. There are literally tons of it. Of course not every title is available in every country. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_während_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus_im_Deutschen_Reich_uraufgeführten_deutschen_Spielfilme I agree with your points that there are differences between a documentary and a film. There are a lot of films from the German POV especially from Germany but there is a lot of postwar Editorizing with the scripts with politically correct agendas with the 'commercial stuff'. Even Das Boot has that but it's a lot more nuanced. It's like there is formula that they use. Of the list you post (I recognize most but not all) the ones I recognize I consider all deliberately influenced by post-war culture. Stalingrad 1993 -excellent production but it follows the 'formula' to a T, which detracts greatly from the film. The German soldier in WW2 1939-1943 on average had above average professionalism and fought with incredible bravery- while outnumbered and died in the millions. With rare exceptions they largely conformed to the expectations of the society & state that they served. And they did so thinking that they were the good guys. I think the irony is that the real German soldier was closer to Nazi propaganda newsreels than the actors in their war films. In a way they are in a confused position, and to me they have a lot of kinship with the American soldier, who also falsely believed that they were the 'good guys' and also served incompetent and criminal regimes & committed vast war crimes while maintaining professionalism and bravery, and self sacrifice. I think with the war over for a very long time and with the American empire declining (and perhaps one day Americans will abandon their bases in Germany, which is occupied state) the German people will be free again to pursue their path with their own history, economy, and culture, rather than being ruthlessly influenced by US multinational corporations and the government. I don't think that the memory of the German men in WW2 (or other nationalities) should be considered 'dark' and ruthlessly censored out from German culture- they should be recognized as flawed and human, with contradictions, like a kaleidoscope. In the US we have a few films that honor the courage and experience of American soldier in Vietnam even though it was a corrupt and failed war. In films like We were soldiers they are seen as they were, products of the nation of which they came. Will there be a 'normal' German WW2 film that honors manly courage and martial skill ever made? It may take a few more decades IMHO. Is there any film in your wikipedia link that is like this?
April 22, 20241 yr On 4/21/2024 at 4:58 AM, Cult Icon said: I agree with your points that there are differences between a documentary and a film. There are a lot of films from the German POV especially from Germany but there is a lot of postwar Editorizing with the scripts with politically correct agendas with the 'commercial stuff'. It's like there is formula that they use. Of the list you post (I recognize most but not all) the ones I recognize I consider all deliberately influenced by post-war culture. First movie coming to my mind TROY (2004) lol Every action/intentions of the characters are hilariously modern from Helen to Hektor and Achilles. Also some kind of war movie if you want so or at least a movie about a famous war (I don't think the movie follows any historian agenda nor mythology at all). Now it's just a fun aesthetic movie to watch. Quote With rare exceptions they largely conformed to the expectations of the society & state that they served. And they did so thinking that they were the good guys. I think the irony is that the real German soldier was closer to Nazi propaganda newsreels than the actors in their war films. In a way they are in a confused position, and to me they have a lot of kinship with the American soldier, who also falsely believed that they were the 'good guys' and also served incompetent and criminal regimes & committed vast war crimes while maintaining professionalism and bravery, and self sacrifice. That's the crux of the matter, isn't it? For generations to come, we wonder how the hell did these terrible events even happen and how managed those "leaders" people not only to follow them but to carry out such terrible deeds? There was this experiment -I think of a US teacher called THE WAVE from 1981- showing his students how easily our species can be fooled even with all the knowledge of WWII. You probably heard of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(1981_film) I mean we still live in a time of wars. Less have changed for the better, some would claim we are moving backwards right now. Quote Is there any film in your wikipedia link that is like this? I really can't say. I haven't seen most of them, and if I have, it was in school a long time ago, as some kind of learning experience that I barely remember because I had no interest in it at all.
May 10, 20241 yr @AnatasiaSteele82 Guess what I started yesterday. I'm already halfway through (it's only 6 episodes) 😄 The boy is fine
May 10, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, AnatasiaSteele82 said: Is it good? It's a story we watched a million times before (cute girl meets fuckboy who's actually not that bad at all just troubled lol) but yeah I like it even though it's nothing groundbreaking. They fight, they fall for each other, they probably fuck. Cant believe it's a german show with that amount of good looking people 😄 I already ordered the book.
May 10, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, AnatasiaSteele82 said: The picture reminds me the "After" saga. Same type of story. It could be fun. Yeah it goes in that direction but I think the book is MUCH BETTER written. Those After books were just terrible imo.
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