October 19, 20231 yr @BarbieErin Even if I'm still not convinced about the PTA project (plainly because I don't like his movies at all LOL) I guess the more working Leo the better? Haha Leo. Love him and his little perfectionist ass when it comes to work Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese “rolled eyes” at Leonardo DiCaprio on set Martin Scorsese’s new movie Killers of the Flower Moon is clearly a picture that’s taken some time to get right – and thanks to Robert De Niro, Leonardo DiCaprio found this out the hard way. Scorsese has dropped yet another historical epic that’s set to make cinematic history – including its colossal 3 hour and 26 minute runtime. The story follows the atrocities committed against the Osage Nation in the 1920s, when it was first discovered that their supposedly “bad” land harbored a wealth of oil underneath it. Both Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro play the main antagonists in Killers of the Flower Moon, but the journey to perfection wasn’t always straightforward for De Niro and Martin Scorsese. Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese “rolled eyes” at Leonardo DiCaprio’s improvisation According to a new interview with the Wall Street Journal, Leonardo DiCaprio’s initial improvisation in scenes caused more than a few eye rolls from Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro. Scorsese reflected on how Killers of the Flower Moon is the first film to bring his two muses, De Niro and DiCaprio, together. In the Wall Street profile, Scorsese explains how the two actors are the complete opposites of each other, citing that DiCaprio’s improvisations and discussions on set were “endless, endless, endless.” “Then Bob didn’t want to talk,” Scorsese explained. “Every now and then, Bob and I would look at each other and roll our eyes a little bit. And we’d tell [Leo], ‘You don’t need that dialogue.’” For Scorsese and De Niro fans, the instance has painted a vivid picture in their heads.
October 19, 20231 yr Marty telling the cute story of the handsome devil improv and Leo and Lily becoming a unit in that moment.
October 19, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Jade Bahr said: @BarbieErin Even if I'm still not convinced about the PTA project (plainly because I don't like his movies at all LOL) I guess the more working Leo the better? Yeah certainly, the more Leo works better for us, but I'm not a fan of PTA movies as well, at least the ones I saw.
October 20, 20231 yr ^A bit more detailed. No spoiler (expect the ones hidden). Coming just out of the movie. My brain is still working because damn that was a lot to take in. So here just some quick thoughts. It's very different to all pre Marty/Leo projects. Leo is just... wow. I have no words. He blew me away I now understand why he choosed the role of Ernest over Tom White (who was minimized into less than 30 minutes and hadn't much to do). Is it Leos career best? It's definitely less showy than for example Jordan Belfort or Howard Hughes. He's much more subtle here. More quiet. Even if he talks (or mumbles) a lot. Maybe it's just my imagination after the article but I could see how Marty said to him "take a step back, you don't need all the extra drama." He also looks dead ass weird in this movie. Ears, nose, hair, teeths, mouth constantly pulled down. I almost bursted into laughter when Mollie called him "good looking". Uhm no girl that's not good looking Leo this is Leo giving his best Marlon Brando imitation lol The only dreamy thing Marty left us are his eyes. I had a hard time to understand why she felt in love with him actually. She even admitted right in the beginning he's "not the brightest" and was "after her money". Spoiler Yet she never really suspected him what I also found weird. Maybe because the movie made him guilty so obvious for the audience or maybe because it's too grotesque to think your own husband could do something utterly horrible like that. I think he's the ugliest character Leo ever played. Not just by the outside but inside because he's hiding his malignancy pretending to be the loving caring husband otherwise than for example Candie and Louis who were just evil and showed their evilness. Lily is intense and heartbreaking (and in my humble opinion very much a leading role). She and Leo have some "cute" moments. Also many not so much cute moments like expected. I really was about to pray for that poor soul. If she's winning the oscar I'm here for it. Robert DeNiro is subtle but amazing and the evil in person His character is so dark it's comical sometimes. He isn't a supporting character at all. Overall I think the movie is more "lighter" than I thought. Not exactly funny but with moments where I had to laugh. Sometimes because of pure disbelieve. Sometimes I wanted to scream. Sometimes I really wanted to shake dumb Ernest (and all the other white old douchebags good lord). Great dialogs. Many many dialogs. Slow pace. Sometimes I was thinking too slow honestly. This movie isn't a crime triller or something like that. It's a character study where we know from the beginning who are the perpetrators and who are the victims. Because of that the movie isn't really... thrilling. I mean you're not sitting there waiting in pure excitement what happens next because you already know what happens next. Gripping and accumulating are maybe the better words to describe the whole thing, yes. But did I LIKE the movie? Woah hard to tell. I admired many parts of it. It's a movie that made you think for sure but nothing you just watch for entertainment (what isn't the intention of the movie anyway). So watching and enjoying it on a big screen is probably just the right way. It's a beautiful craftful movie to look at. Quite the opposite to the ugly rotten shameful story it tells. It's a strenuous movie and so it's def not a movie for the crowd. My cinema was half packed at best. When the credits started the group behind me was gasping over the lengths of the movie and the lack of events. Indeed two people left the cinema WHILE the movie. I don't think I ever witnessed that during a Leo movie. The soundtrack is quite... memorable. The steady hammering (or drumming) drove me nuts, almost gave me a headache. LOVED the creative ending. Special indeed.
October 20, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, akatosh said: Thanks for the review. My screening will start in 5 hours. I'm really curious what you will say It's a quite complex experience. At least it was for me.
October 20, 20231 yr Also want to add Tatanka Means is the one to drool about in this movie. He's really gorgeous His role is rather small but he drawd my attention because of his beauty and charisma. He's one of the investigator of the FBI. Would have loved to know more about this character. Not from KOTFM but who cares Love his hair and stuff
October 20, 20231 yr I just got back from watching KOTFM. Oscars please for Leo and Lily!!! Just wow. 🥰🥹 Marty, too. What a great film. 3.5 hours never went by this fast. All the actors were great. Leo was very different from his other roles. Very interesting. Loved the chemistry between him and Lily. I'm going to watch it again on sunday in english (today I saw the dubbed german version).
October 21, 20231 yr Beautiful article about the Spoiler heartbreaking love between Ernest and Mollie. Beware Spoilers! Spoiler Leonardo DiCaprio's Most Devlishly Charming Moment In Killers Of The Flower Moon Was Improvised This article contains spoilers for "Killers of the Flower Moon." Martin Scorsese's new movie "Killers of the Flower Moon" delivers another stirring teardown of the myth of American greatness. Behind many of the greatest success stories in America lie tragedy and cruelty, whether it's being inflicted by those rising to the top or eventually upon them after reality settles in. "Mean Streets," "GoodFellas," "Gangs of New York," "The Wolf of Wall Street," and many more have featured this theme in a variety of ways. However, what makes "Killers of the Flower Moon" different than the rest is that there's a genuine love story spoiled by all the manipulation, betrayal, extortion, and murder. In the film, Leonardo DiCaprio plays Ernest Burkhart, a soldier who has recently returned from World War I and seeks out employment in the oil fields of Osage County in Oklahoma. Here, the land given to the Osage people runs rich with black gold, making them some of the wealthiest people on the planet, and providing an opportunity for scheming white men to cheat them out of what is rightfully their land and fortune, as is the American way. Rather than working in the oil fields, Burkhart is recruited by his uncle, a wealthy rancher named William King Hale (Robert De Niro), who has gained the trust and friendship of the Osage people, to help him keep the lucrative land of Osage County within the Native American family by marrying into one of them. But what Hale is really trying to do is take the land out from under the Osage people, as Burkhart isn't the only young white man he's encouraging to marry into the Osage line. However, there's an extra layer of tragedy in the case of Ernest Burkhart's deception and betrayal, because before he was ever recruited by Hale, Burkhart had already taken a genuine liking to an Osage woman named Mollie (Lily Gladstone), the same woman that his uncle would eventually encourage him to betroth and betray. When Ernest meets Mollie, he's trying to make some cash by being a taxi drive around Osage County. He catches her walking through town and offers her a ride. Mollie is quiet and calm, she let's her face express more than her words ever might. Ernest shows some of his more rascally tendencies, as he takes an interest in a sudden drag race through downtown, which distracts him from driving Mollie home for a moment. But as soon as they're on the road, he puts on the charm, but only slowly at first. However, that natural attraction Ernest has for Mollie is thrown into overdrive when Hale reveals that he thinks it would be a good idea to "help the Osage people" by marrying into their family and ensuring that the recent rash of mysterious deaths of Osage people doesn't result in their land being taken away from them. At least that's what Hale tells Burkhart, who is more than a bit gullible and easily manipulated. That's when Burkhart pulls out all the stops and makes it clear that he's interested in Mollie romantically. Acting as her regular driver around town, he's much more direct about pursuing her. When he questions her about another potential romantic interest in her life, he mentions just wanting to know who else is in this horse race. Mollie responds with words in the Osage language, which Ernest doesn't understand. Mollie repeats it, and Ernest responds, with a flirtatious grin on his face, "Well, I don't know what that was, but it must've been Indian for handsome devil," which prompts Mollie to laugh in amusement. During a recent press conference in support of "Killers of the Flower Moon," director Martin Scorsese revealed that this was an improvised moment. In fact, Lily Gladstone's laugh in response to the line is genuine. As Scorsese said, "So that moment you have the actual relationship, it's actually between the two actors." And that was a key moment that resonates throughout the entire film, because even as Ernest continually lies and betrays Mollie, he still genuinely loves her and believes what he's doing is for their own good. The press conference with Scorsese also revealed what the filmmaker learned when he visited Osage County. All these years later, descendants of both the Osage people and the Burkharts still live there. Scorsese explained: "What I didn't really understand in the first couple of meetings [with the Osage people and descendants of the story] was that this is an ongoing situation, an ongoing story out in Oklahoma. In other words, these are things that really weren't talked about in the generation I was talking to and the generation above them. Before them, I should say. It was the generation before them that this happened to. So they didn't talk about it much. The people involved are still there, meaning the families are still there, the descendants are still there. So what I learned from meeting with them, having dinners with them — Margie Burkhart, she was the relative of Ernest Burkhart. She pointed out, and a number of other people pointed out, that you have to understand, a lot of the white guys there, a lot of the European Americans, particularly Bill Hale, they were good friends." It's that relationship that allowed the Osage people to be so easily manipulated without their knowledge, and the romance between Ernest and Mollie is just another casualty of that. However, Scorsese said that Margie Burkhart emphasized the real romance that was there between Ernest and Mollie: "She said, 'One has to remember that Ernest,' her ancestor, 'loved Mollie. And Mollie loved Ernest. It's a love story." Ultimately, what happened is that the script shifted that way, and that's when Leo decided to play Ernest instead of Tom White." 'Why don't we just show that's how it could happen?' Initially, Leonardo DiCaprio was going to play Tom White, the agent from the Bureau of Investigation (which would become the FBI) who is sent to solve the murders in Osage County. But that was when the script was more focused on the birth of the FBI rather than the story as it unfolds from within the Osage community. As Scorsese uncovered the heart of the story within the Osage people, he found a new approach, one that allowed him to cut to the core of their plight and show people how these Native American people were destroyed from within by greedy coyotes. So DiCaprio became Ernest, and Jesse Plemons stepped into the role of Tom White, a character who now doesn't roll into the story until about halfway through the movie. What makes the story all the more heartbreaking is that many of the Osage people were aware that plenty of white men in their community were looking for money, but they didn't let that keep them from pursuing what still felt like true love. Scorsese discussed how scenes depicting the evolution of this terrible deception came about. During one scene where Lily and Ernest have dinner by themselves for the first time, Mollie laughs to herself and comments, "Coyote wants money," and Ernest surprisingly confirms, "That's right, I love money." Scorsese explained: "So she knows. This is the other thing, she knows what she's getting into. Even her sisters later, which is also a scene that we put in with the Osage, with the Native American actors. They said, 'What if we're talking about the guys while they're playing that game, and we're talking about my husband and talking about that guy with the blue eyes likes you. And, well, I don't think he just wants money. Well, it doesn't matter, he's nice. He wants to settle down.' Why don't we just show that's how it could happen? That's the way the script was ultimately created by these moments." This is America Killers of the Flower Moon Leonardo DiCaprio Lily Gladstone Apple This is why the romance between Ernest and Mollie became the backbone of the story rather than focusing on the formation of the FBI. If Scorsese had put the focus on the crimes themselves and the investigation, it might not have felt much different from your average crime thriller. But with a doomed romance at its core, one brought to life by the beautiful chemistry between Lily Gladstone and Leonardo DiCaprio, there's even more suffering than what's on the surface. Using a charming actor like DiCaprio in this kind of role is the ultimate deception for the audience. But it's Gladstone who delivers the most crushing blow, as the end of the film finds Mollie walking out on Ernest when he refuses to admit to her face that he kept her incapacitated for a time by poisoning her insulin doses. Even knowing what happened with her murdered sisters and other Osage deaths, that personal betrayal may sting even more for Mollie, because the love between her and Ernest was real. So on top of the murders of many Osage people by a group of scheming white men just trying to make a buck, you have this love story that might have been something to cherish if it wasn't tainted by greed and death. Similarly, like many of Scorsese's other movies, "Killers of the Flower Moon" gives us a microcosm of America, a country that has been given a grand portrait that paints it as a shining example of freedom, greatness, and success, but in reality, it will always be stained by the blood of those who have been killed in the wake of our own hubris. "Killers of the Flower Moon" is playing in select theaters now. https://www.slashfilm.com/587717/the-best-westerns-of-all-time/
October 21, 20231 yr Ladies I'm watching the movie tomorrow. Where you able to make it through the movie with no bathroom breaks? I downloaded an app that's let's you know when you can take bathroom breaks during a movie. 😅
October 21, 20231 yr I did have a break but I didn't need it. Just don't drink anything an hour before and at the start of the film then you'll be fine.
October 21, 20231 yr WOW is all I'm gonna say! I saw it and it didn't feel long to me at all. I won't go into details until everyone's seen it. That movie is definitely a reflection of America and the love story is heartbreaking. The sick thing is that idiot Ernest really loved Mollie, and she did too, in spite of, well just see the film I will say that Leo and Lily Gladstone's chemistry was off the chain. You could feel their mutual passion. I didn't drink a thing during the film, lol, so I didn't need a bathroom break
October 21, 20231 yr I watched it last night. It really is a masterpiece! Incredibly moving and…That ending! 🤯😶😭 Oscars for all! I much preferred it to Oppenheimer and I thought that was great. Ps. I went for a bathroom break around the 2 hour 10 min mark Spoiler (shortly after the house explosion) and I’m pretty sure I didn’t miss anything major haha 😂
October 21, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, kellybsblover said: Ladies I'm watching the movie tomorrow. Where you able to make it through the movie with no bathroom breaks? I downloaded an app that's let's you know when you can take bathroom breaks during a movie. 😅 I ate and drank right before the movie and I drank during the movie. Same for the group with me. We all got to pee right before the movie started and all of us made it through the movie without a break. It's also not necessarily true when you drink less you have to pee less (maybe your head is telling you this lol) It's actually the other way around if you drink lesser you have to pee more often believe it or not. When there is a lack of fluid, the kidneys produce highly concentrated urine, which irritates the bladder and increases the urge to urinate. Overall it more depends on how trained your bladder is and how much you drink on a daily basis. If your bladder is well trained you have to go to the bathroom every 4 hours. Another factor is what you drink of course (alcohol let you pee a lot more for example). Sry I work in a medical area I tell dehydrated people this shit every day
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