Enrico_sw

Feminist leaders represent feminism and most of them (those vocal in the media) are misandrists. Men is not a club, it's not even a movement (unlike feminism). Masculinism might be a movement (very fringe though) but not "men" (like "women" is not a movement).

This French feminist said "we must, in turn, eliminate them" (men). She's not fringe, she's mainstream. And she's a politician, elected in Paris' "city council". https://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/alice-coffin-pauline-harmange-quand-des-feministes-haissent-ouvertement-les-hommes-20201007

Not you, but that's what we hear from neo-feminism every day. One French feminist wrote a book that said "we need to erase men" and she got covered by the press.

But the biggest point was that this voting issue is just a very transient one (19th / 1st half of 20th century). And this cannot justify all the misandry that neo-feminism is spewing all day long.

1) Easy. All of Catherine 2's wars. 2) Men is not a club (like women). It's not because a dude starts a war that all dudes are bad. This rule applies for many many things.

Rich liberal girls dancing while Ukrainian/Russian men die. Matriarchy?

Tim made a good analysis. The woke barons in the media are furious that his song works so well.

Shadowheart is BG3's Triss!

I haven't met her yet, but she doesn't look like my kinda girl

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"Male privilege"... Riiiight

I think a huge part of the disrespect that feminists have for men is due to the fact that we have to face less hardships than before. But western women don't realize that they live in a lot of confort (way more than western men). The thing is that this "confort" is just an heritage of the hard work put by our grandfathers and grandmothers. I'm afraid that this all boils down to this again:

Or Private Caparzo who died because he saved a little girl. How many Caparzos were there in real life? They didn't care about feminism or patriarchy, they just cared about saving lives.

I will tell you this, my friend. It's hard for me to hear that Private Ryan or Captain Miller were privileged guys, while they put their lives on the line to defend their families. This woke feminism thing doesn't make sense any more.

Exactly, it's a social contract. When these contracts are fair, they can last for long periods of time. The 2023 woke vision of the social contract is unfair and unbalanced, so it won't last long... either it's crushed by a better movement or the West will be swallowed by outside forces with more vitality.

Even in the 1st mid of 20th century, life wasn't easy for men: a huge portion of them died protecting their families against nazis for example. Your grandpa was probably a part of this... That's not a patriarchy to be sent to die in order to defend your family.

Before the 1800s, most men were not allowed to vote, go to school or study, they couldn't choose their jobs, they did not choose their wives (the village would organise that). Most of men were field workers. The average guy couldn't even read... You are talking about a short period of time throughout history mid 19th to mid 20th century more or less), but history started 5 000 years ago (and homo sapiens 300 000+ years ago). Look at history books, I know you're a conscientious person.

This song is great! It kinda reminds me of this one:

Femme Actuelle, 1 August 2023

Marijke Versluijs, 21 August 2023

@Jade Bahr If you want a broad summary of my last post, this meme is closer to reality than the "patriarchy myth" (though it's not perfect either) In reality, for thousands of years, society was divided in: - a tiny ruling class (where men tended to have the upper hand - though not always) - the rest of the population who were way below (I don't think men were below women like it's shown in this graph, because both men/women had their struggles, but men had lives full of hardships, because of: working in the fields, fighting against nature, wars, etc. => you can't call that a patriarchy). Caution: It's a very broad scheme and reality is way more complex, but this is way more accurate than: "we've been in a patriarchy for zillions of years and now women are liberated". This patriarchy myth is completely disproved by history.

Follow-up This corresponds to the 1st half of the 20th century. This was never the case in any other centuries. First, because for thousands of years, the main job for the workforce was farming (a very hard job at the time - men/women were in the fields and women were lucky when they could take a break and do house chores). The patriarchy is a fantasy about the past that wokism has invented out of thin air. History books don't show such caricature except for a tiny period (1st half of 20th century give or take - maybe you could say 1850 to 1980 if you wanted to be broader, but not before or after).

Follow-up The 00s (and the 90s to some extent). Could you be more specific? Are we talking about movies or history? If it's history, there are many things to say about how homosexuality was treated in history. In Ancient Greece/Rome, gay people were recognized and it was fully accepted. Then in the rest of history, it's an oscillation between uphill and downhill moments. But it's not: past is bad, modern days are great. If it's the movies, gay people were better treated in the 90s and 00s than now, where they are treated like tokens. When did we trivialize violence against women in the West?? Never. You could say India or Saudi Arabia trivialize these violences... but it's not even in their movies either! People can't trivialize violence in movies that are supposed to (most of the time) show some ideal.