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Not to pop off on you or anything love, but that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life if that's what VS is actually doing. A English girl (who is the most Nottingham person I've ever seen, she looks like everyone I've ever met from Nottingham, hair and all) to represent Scots? Who are likely the segment of the world population least interested in Victoria's Secret? They'd have more luck opening a shop in Dublin 12, I swear. But good luck to them. Dumbasses.

So I'm half-stupid for thinking other people legitimately thought it was her and half-not for not buying that? I'll chalk that up as a win. I'll DM you so I'm not such a tease, sorry for the double notifs! I can't really see Izabel as paying enough attention to anyone else to be mean to them. My bet would have been Jasmine + Sara.

tbqh if I looked like Elsa Hosk I'd be the smuggest fucking person on planet Earth.

Fillers plus extreme weight loss tend to have that look I can't talk about this shit on a public forum lol so I finally get to be that bitch who knows the dirt but won't spill in the main thread but after my time at *******, all I can say is Bella, girl.... Gigi's walk at Fenty looked really nice though, considering. She's improved heaps, I'm almost proud. And yeah, I thought everyone agreed Blanca was talking about Elsa when that interview first came out Though I personally believe she meant 'four years' as an approximate to connotate 'been there before but not established vets' rather than 'four years of shows exactly'. I love ice bitch Elsa and I'll never stop.

Wasn’t Dangerous Liasons in 2012? I thought that was ‘France inspired’.

Hey so this will be my last reply so we don't keep going OT in this thread over something as simple as a limited category like 'white' 😊 My point with the list was seeing how much the VSFS has diversified, in some categories more than others, and the Angels are still mostly white. But Barbara and Sara are white, period. You got me curious, so I researched it, and it was as I thought. Roma-Hungarians are a distinct group of people (and a minority in Hungary, though a large minority at around 30%!) who face quite a lot of anti ziganism in Hungary. Barbara could definitely have Roma ancestry, as many Hungarians do, but typically it takes quite a bit more than distant to semi distant ancestry to be considered part of an ethnic group. That can get into some nasty things like blood quotas, so I'll stop at, Barbara doesn't identify as Roma, so she isn't, and more than likely is descended from white Europeans in Hungary. Mongolians and Roma people are absolutely non-white, but Barbara likely isn't part of either of those groups. As for Sara, the white / non white Latinas debate is very real, due to, as you hinted at, colonialism. And there are both, which is why 'Latina' is a very broad, strange category (if you're American, you've probably seen 'white Hispanic' and 'Hispanic' on forms in the past). Gisele is white Brazilian of Germanic descent, while Lais is Afro-Brazilian mixed with some indigenous, I believe, for a prime example. A lot of people believe most Cuban-Americans are white, so perhaps I should move Josie Canseco. But a lot of pale skinned South American people are indigenous-descended, so it's difficult to paint them with such a broad stroke. The point being, descent in South America is different from descent in Europe, and Sara is European. Without having her ancestry.com or 23andme or whatever in front of me, all I can do is take stock of what she's said in the past about her heritage, and what I know about Portugal itself, and that, again, points me to white. As for another topic so we can move on, what do people think the odds are the Hadids are walking?

Mongolians (I think you mean Moors, the Muslims who inhabited the Iberian penninsula here but I don't want to speak for you) and Roma people are entirely separate and marginalised ethnicities and I've never heard of them being conflated with white Hungarians/Portuguese people. Without being able to explicitly tie them to either group (ie Sara explicitly stating she has Moorish roots or Barbara claiming Roma descent) Barbara is white and Sara is white, but thank you! ☺️ But anyway.... Dunno, has anyone checked to make sure Lais isn't an Amazon with that body of hers? And thank you for giving me Ujjwala Raut!

I'll check it out, thank you! She was one of the tricky ones to find.

Ta, I'm stupid! Maia's part Maori part white.

I got curious, so here's an approximate 'categories on forms' breakdown of the girls cast (plus a few nagging rumours, thanks to Pretty for her list) and hopefully this isn't too badly worded / categorised. Hopefully there are no glaring errors but please correct me if there are! Some of the girls have minimal information out there. White (27/59 = 45.7%) Behati Prinsloo (IF WALKING) Candice Swanepoel Elsa Hosk Josephine Skriver Martha Hunt Romee Strijd Sara Sampaio Stella Maxwell Taylor Hill Grace Elizabeth Maggie Laine Alexina Graham Barbara Fialho Devon Windsor Frida Aasen Georgia Fowler Megan Williams Nadine Leopold Alannah Walton Lorena Rae Myrthe Bolt Sadie Newman Sofie Rovenstine Willow Hand Barbara Palvin Toni Garrn Kate G (IF WALKING) Latina (4/59 = 6.7%) Adriana Lima (IF WALKING) Gizele Oliveira Josie Canseco (mixed) (someone will probably want to fight me on this but I believe her father is Cuban) Yasmin Wijnaldum (mixed) Black (19/59 = 32.2%) Jasmine Tookes Lais Riberio (mixed, also Latina) Zuri Tibby Aiden Curtiss (mixed) Alanna Arrington Cindy Bruna (mixed) Grace Bol Herieth Paul Jourdana Elizabeth Lameka Fox (mixed) Leomie Anderson Mayowa Nicholas Cheyenne Maya Iesha Hodges Isilda Moreira Melie Tiacoh Subah Koj Winnie Harlow Duckie Thot (IF WALKING) Asian / Pacific Islander (6/59 = 10.1%) Estelle Chen Kelly Gale (mixed) Sui He Kelsey Merritt (mixed) Maia Cotton (mixed) Ming Xi (IF WALKING) Middle Eastern (3/59 = 5%) Shanina Shaik Gigi Hadid (mixed) (IF WALKING) Bella Hadid (mixed) (IF WALKING)

Have VS ever cast an Indian / Bangladeshi model? I know Kelly Gale is part Indian, is she really it?

Bella Hadid who? So excited to see ice princesses making it. Here's to hoping they don't stick Yas in Pink and waste her.

You better show some respect to a HF legend who is well past her prime but still! Speaking of though, did Gemma ever attend castings back in the day? This would have been well before I took an active interest in VS casting so I've never considered it before.

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Ta, on top of it as always Clauds 😘 What do you personally think the chances Sofia was called back are if you don't mind me asking?

My bad, completely forgot about her! Maia's the second Maori for VS then

So Sofia Jamora didn't get a callback, did she? What about Cindy Mello?

Georgia Fowler babes But she's the second of Maori descent, I'm super excited about that!

Ordinarily I would see your point, but by nature he's tied to his brother (of Riverdale and apparently close to Vogue fame). And the nostalgia factor's massive, he doesn't really need to have done anything to maintain household recognition. Ask most people in that beloved uni student demo who Dylan Sprouse is and they're know. But I didn't necessarily mean it as 'Dylan is more famous than Barbara so his fans will be drawn in by her being in the show', but more 'Barbara is part of a celebrity couple which gives her extra appeal'. The real critique of my cynicism is why she wasn't invited back after her fling / thing with Justin / Niall / Ed since they had an even larger impact on her notoriety.

And in New York, too. The only place I've ever been terrified to be on a bike was in Manhattan, where the cabbies are straight up murderous. Ultra cringe. I know a lot of people love Barbara Palvin, including some of my favourite people here ( @ILUVAdrianaLima remember your temporary name change? sorry to invoke you to say not nice things about Babs, hope you're well sorry I'm shite at answering messages ) but I agree with the criticism her time has passed. If we were back in 2013, I might agree she's necessary to have walking, but I find a six year lapse between shows to be somewhat off-putting? And the cynic in me wonders if it has anything to do with her famous boyfriend. Frida Aasen and Ellen Rosa have the same forehead, change my mind. Shanina is gorgeous but not compelling. I would have loved to see Ashley Moore from Model Squad but I'm guessing she's too short? Strange they'd have all these commercial girls and not her, though. She really has a dollface. What else... I hope they keep it under 60 models, but I know they bloody well will not.

'Not to be mean, but she's a fat cow with jiggly nasty cellulite and I care soooooo much about how big and fat and ugly Ashley will look bad next to the skinny legends walking next to her even though she herself has stated and shown numerous times she doesn't give a fuck about being the big girl with cellulite.' People are throwing out ideas that won't happen for a desperate brand that's no longer prestigious and going down because millenials buy bras for 20 USD each at target. Don't be a stuck up princess about this televised underwear show. Good lord. Say you hate fat Ashley and move on.

Does anyone know anything about Neelam Johal's callback status? I'd love to see that gorgeous gaze coming down the runway. I think Iskra's obligations to (?) Aerie rule her out, unfortunately, but I find her much more fun and personable than Ashley.

You are perfection as always. Additionally, respecting someone's modelling work and calling them out for being a rude, career jeopardising idiot are not mutually exclusive, but is her career really worthy of respect if she's so willing to be so cruel to other models and disrespect their careers because they're more successful through other avenues like instagram and youtube? Anyway. New topic to unite us all. I think most people would say Kendall is out, but what about Gigi and Bella? And for that matter, Hailey and her wedding? Does anyone think she's not going to even try to do the show this year?

Not to be that person, but they still face trials, love. Just because they face different trials to 'HF' models doesn't invalidate their come up. It's literally always about being pretty, some people are a more marketable kind of pretty than others, hence, Instagram versus taking polas in the IMG offices. And anyway, save the incredibly famous like the Hadids and Kendall, and Hailey if Bieber's rock finally gets her in the door lmao, these girls are attending castings and going through the same shit as the 'HF' girls. Chill with the gatekeeping. It's bras and low rated telly.

Maia C is mega lovely irl, know her through some other NZ girls who live in London and I like when nice people are successful so cheers to her on her callback, I believe she would also be the first person of Maori descent in the VSFS? Love! I hope Sofia Jamora makes it as well so the Polynesian rep can continue (and so I get to watch that body in high def). Place your bets, will Tako ever walk?