Clauds

So happy for you Pinky! You're gonna love the show and the cast looks so so promising. For AS4 as I said before I'm Team Naomi

It doesn't happen just with them tho. The amount of times Romee, Martha and Elsa have been wrongly ID-ed is ridiculous, this is just lazy and lame journalism o.o

I literally had no idea Alexina is married. I kinda respect her more now for doing such a good job keeping her personal life so private. I've always felt like all the extra attention can't be good for a relationship

If Lais, Taylor and Martha have a video then I want my Elsa video or my money/time invested back

Lais Ribeiro Wings: 8/10 Overall look: 7.5/10 Liu Wen Wings: 8/10 Overall look: 6/10 - Lovely wings but they don't match the outfit nor the segment

It seems lie Adriana got her own segment which was just her, then Martha opened FoF with Halsey performing. On a different note, I would like to thank VS for introducing me to The Struts because I now love them I can't even remember the last time I discovered a song/performer through VS. I just wish it had been just them + Shawn Mendes and maybe Halsey. The rest just yikes.

So, there's NO pictures of Elsa and Lorena + this bitch seems to be the only one without a Body Talks backstage video? I would like a refund, this is not what signed up for

I can see this 100% happening, probably not super soon but I wouldn't be suprised if it happens in a year or so, it feels like a natural thing to happen considering they are friends and Savage seems to be the type of gig Adriana likes

Gigi Hadid Overall Look: 6/10 Sara Sampaio Wings: 8/10 Overall Look: 9/10

Alexina's walk makes me feel so uncomfortable, I adore her looks but she's just ruining it for me

Love love both her outfits and I love even more that she was paired with the Angels. This is very Elsa in 2014 and I wouldn't be surprised if by February next year she's announced as an Angel. She's just perfect for them

She's so major, I can't believe VS gave that trash of an outfit I hope they keep working with her tho, she's just lovely

I don't think Ed meant to say that Valentina wouldn't sell the fantasy, just that IF any trans model gets cast it won't like HEEY! LOOK LOOK! IT'S A TRANS MODEL! WE'RE INCLUSIVE. They are just gonna cast her because of the way she looks and then treat her like any model. Just look at Winnie, VS decided to cast her due to her popularity and her solid career but have they mentioned her vitiligo at all? Nope, they haven't. Did VS ever mention or made a big deal about being pretty much the first and still one of the few big commercial brands that allows models use their natural hair? i.e Maria Borges, Grace Bol? Nope, they haven't. The press made big deal out of it, but VS has never come out with some bullshit inclusivity statement and I think that's awesome, the biggest statement is actually putting those women on their runway and website. And I'm sure Valentina would much rather get cast because of the way she looks than just because she's trans, and lbr Valentna is most likely the only trans model with a career solid enough + the right look for VS Andreja Pejic is out there crying about the statement when the truth is VS would never work with her not because she's trans, but because she doesn't fit the brand in the slightest. As far as plus size models don't selling the fantasy, I'm sorry but that's 100% true. The vast majority of women does not dream to wake up in a 200lbs body or with Tess Taylor's body, the average women however would love to magically wakeup one day with Candice's body. That is the fantasy, that is what VS wants to sell and tbh that's what the majority of us want to see for just one fucking hour a year in our goddamn tvs. If i wanted to see average women half naked I'd go to the beach. These "body positivity" people are for the most part, full of shit, there's a huge difference between accepting and embracing your body and wanting the fantasy body. For example, I accept my own body, I am 152cm and my legs are super short, I accept that, I embrace it and I have no issues with it now, but if someone told me I could have Lais' legs you can damn bet I'd happily take it and the truth is most of women do, and those who say they wouldn't are just mostly lying to themselves. I wasn't a huge fan of Ed before and I do think his comments were maybe poorly phrased but I 100% agree with every word he said and more power to him and Monica tbh. I hope VS doesn't fall for this whole pc bullshit.

Josephine Skriver. Wings: 9/10 Overall Look: 9/10 Aiden Curtis. Overall Look: 6/10

I think people took this the wrong way. I think what Ed meant to say is that he won't cast trans models JUST because they are trans and to join the PC bullshit. He'll cast them based on how they look and their work, just like any other model who attends castings. Valentina Sampaio was at castings this year, she simply didn't make the cut this year, doesn't mean she'll never get the show.

THE NERVE. THE AUDACITY. How do they dare to get in the middle like that? So close, yet so far. I'm hoping Lo will post pics with Elsa since she likes her

Sasha Velour, Violet Chachki, Naomi Smalls, Aquaria would all kill it

10/10 would tune in for this. Also Elsa opening the show, Taylor with the FB and Jasmine with the SO. That's the content i expect from VS next year lol

Jasmine commented on IG that the Adriana tribute is gonna make it to tv! Also based on some backstage videos and pictures, seems like before the show Adriana gave a speech and they had a toast, i hope we get to see that as well. This show will for sure not be the best one quality wise but if VS plays their cards right and they have the whole nostalgia arc, it could be a really good TV moment for the long-time fans. However 2019 will be kinda lame for me, Adriana is gone and Elsa will obviously not get the sparky titty holder so idk what I'm even gonna watch for lmao

Elsa and Lorena please!

Also, people calling Barbara flacid are literally proving Ed right imagine the shit people would say if a plus size girl walks the runway for VS ... And just to clarify, i by no means think Barbara is flacid. Her body looks perfect and I'm happy one of her outfits showed it off. A stunner, hope VS keeps her around this time.

I don't feel sorry for Elsa, she got her press events, interviews, backstage moment and closed the segment. More than what can be said about the last two FBs. And lbr Adriana leaving pretty much outshined everything and everyone. No one seems to care about anything else, not Taylor's opening, the SO, the FB or Behati coming back. Adriana became the focus of the show and after giving 20 years of her life to VS, I'm at peace with that.

ALSO for those asking the two dresses from Downtown Angels, one has Jasmine's face and the other one is Romee. Now imagine working your ass off for a year in order to book this show just so you have to go down the runway with another model's face plastered on you o.o it just feel tacky to me and eve a tad disrespectful? I'm still trying to makeup my mind about this show, there were some really good outfits and some really bad ones. However, hair and makeup were great this year, I don't think I've seen a single girl and though Yiiikes, so good job on that front. I disagree. If you look at the finales, they've always been lead by the top tier Angels i.e Tyra & Heidi, Gisele & KK, Adriana & Ale, Adriana & Candice, etc nearly every year VS has done it. If VS had changed the order for the second taping you'd think it could have been just a coincidence but the last six women to walk, came out in the order in both tapings, so VS clearly arranged for them to do so. We'll see, I don't think VS will be dropping girls based just on this, but I do think maybe we'll see more of the three NA who got to walk with the veterans in the finale. VS always has had lead angels and so far we didn't know what their plans with the NA were, maybe this is it?

Ngl, it does feel like VS did a separation between Top tier Angels and Second tier Angels, they've always had this but never made so obvious, I'm just surprised Josephine wasn't there. But I'm more than happy with the idea of Elsa, Jas & Taylor being the new head angels. Also, seems like a lot of the girls skipped the after party? I'm missing a few of looks and can't find them anywhere

Thread has been cleaned from unecessary ill-spirted comments. Again, you are allowed to express your opinions as long as it is done in a respectful way, once you start insulting these women or other members, it's just bashing and that is by no means okay. There's a thin line between having disagreements and attacking people.