Toobs, to address a few of the points you've made: 1. The use of the word "babe". Babe has been used since this forum's conception as a irreverent way of describing a female celebrity. It was never meant to be an insult to any of the women categorized under the sub-forums that carry that name. That's why I think most people have no problem seeing some royalty fall under that category, since it's never been used as a derogatory term. 2. You are right that under the current format, the categorization isn't always 100% black&white. Certain models are harder to fit into either sub-forum than others. Some started out as fashion models but then branched off into other endeavors. Others started out in non-modeling fields but then moved into modeling. As such, there isn't always a perfect solution. What we have done in the past for "model-turned-actresses" is put them in one sub-forum and then leave a link in the other sub-forum. Olga Kurylenko (who used to be primarily a model but has acted quite a lot in recent years) is one example of that.