Joe > Average

Yeah . Miranda's super cute, but I far and away prefer Shanina's lips and that's the only difference I feel that strongly about, so I voted for her .

Fair enough. Good point . Though ironically the men's magazines with the biggest requirements are in Europe I think, those being the increasingly popular Nuts and Zoo Magazines ect. where DD if not slightly more are average size for their models. Large bosom is also becoming increasingly popular in Japanes men's mags too... The first two also don't seem to mention how many men were surveyed to form said opinion and the third is an anonymous online poll, so women can also vote... My stand that the number surveyed makes a survey valid is just my general stand. The capability of said person that doesn't provide the numbers has nothing to do with it . Well, be they accepted or not, I'll take my chances with examples for my points. Not only did I not mention porn or music, but whereas I named two names, my example was "women who have fat bank accounts soley based on breast size", which is a lot more than two people . And my point wasn't necessarily to define a general attitude towards females, but to debate whether the original opinion was the general attitude or not based on the fact that it doesn't seem supported by many general things and I don't see a reference to how many were asked. You just assumed because I disagree that my stance is the direct opposite whereas I don't know or claim to know what the average man's ideal is. 1) I don't have an ideal size myself 2) Many women don't even wear the right size or properly fitting bra anyway. 3) Bras vary in padding and breasts vary drastically in shape and density even among the same cup sizes. 4) A lot of men can't accurately and consistently identify bra sizes anyway (partially confounded by 2 and 3. And as to no proof, you have no real proof of what's 'seen' as ideal girlfriend material or not. Not only because many don't even publicly voice their fantasies, but many people's mate isn't necessarily their ideal perfect fantasy in every aspect of looks, but other qualities factor in. No, I didn't forget topmodels, but since we were talking about breast size, I figured women famous primarily because of their breasts in an industry driven strictly by male popularity was worth a mention. As to topmodels, fashion on the other hand, isn't driven strictly by male popularity as the other is. In fact, appealing to the average man (or even mainstream media) isn't even manditory to have success as a fashion model. You can be very successful as a fashion model and not appeal to the average man at all, so succeding in fashion has nothing to do with the issue of ideal breast size of the average man. There are quite a few models who have been told to 'lose weight because they loook too men's magazine' so that among various other things show that what the average man wants isn't their primary agenda. Fashion is just as much, if not more about appealing to women (who buy said clothes, fragrances ect.) and is definitely more about appealing to standards and demands of designers ect. than what the average man wants.

Lips: 5 Smile: 6 Hair: 6 Eyes: 7 Nose: 7 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 6

Lips: 6 Smile: 7 - what's so bad about her smile :| ? Hair: 10 Eyes: 7 Nose: 6 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 7

@ BabyJude and LastWish . Well, LastWish, I'll definitely update the list for ya . And since this is General Babe Discussion, I might as well add actresses and singers too. I definitely have to add you for Minka since (even though I still don't know what she plays in ) a lot of people got to know her more from your sets . And thanks Jennka . Though I don't know if I apply for the HOF as much (ironic since I made the thread :| ) since my defenses are more from general principle than defending models I like . And then even with the contributions, haven't even contributed to Gemma's thread or most threads with a lot of pages pages for fear of the repost hounds . But I guess if we add actresses and singers that does increase my chances .

You can find a survey "amongst men" to say a lot of things just by virtue of the fact that there's billions of people in the world and countless survey. What makes a survey valid is how many people were surveyed and who was surveyed. With that information, not only does the information become valid, but the other person may then adequately decide whether said stats are relevant or not. A survey 'of women' said they like 6'1 more than 6'6. That looks authoritative on its own....but the truth is only 30 women were surveyed . So, regardless of the subject matter, unless one is running a political campaign I suppose, how many and who/where are what make stats relevant. And even aside, based on not only comparing the attention they get in everyday life, but the number of women with fat bank accounts solely on the grounds of their breasts and the size they generally are, I find it hard to believe that survey represents the 'average' man. But I bet if Keeley Hazel, for example were C she wouldn't be nearly as popular and likely not famous at all. And look how much Pamela Anderson's career took off when she upgrated from C to DD and look how it went down the toilet when she took them out and overnight got back on track when she got them back. That's not to say 'every' man, but their popularity and those like them is male driven and probably a greater indication of a larger numbe of men. That's not to say one is 'better' than the other one of course.

Lips: 7 Smile: 6 Hair: 6 Eyes: 6 Nose: 6 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 6

Audrey x3 Claudia x3 Hehehe ! I got the deciding vote !

Eva x5

This is Dutch model Anna Arendshorst .

Beatrice Chirita (Not Nominated, Pictures by Me) - 3.36 Ana Hickmann (Not Nominated, Pictures by Me) - 3.18 As a side note, Ana Hickmann had a record for model with the longest legs. Her legs measure are 117 cm while she is 180 cm (her legs being 65% of her body). Of course in 2007, Dji Dieng took the record. 4 Votes Needed...

:trout: :persuazn: she has that "IT" factor i think. nothing you can put your finger on, but there is just soemthing there. Yeah, I guess its like the person who gets a greasy plate of ribs from a run down diner and its not the prettiest plate to them, but they innately know its good . Not saying she's run down or greasy, but you get the point . And then there may be some high class resturant food that looks more presentable but doesn't stir the hunger as much . That Agent video is like that greasy plate of ribs I guess .

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2.3 - one of the best editorial models of all time imo, just knows how to connect with the camera .

@ Choco Lips: 5 Smile: 7 Hair: 6 Eyes: 6 Nose: 5 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 7 I must admit that I'm not attracted to her and don't get the craze about her beauty/looks, BUT she does still manage to somehow turn me on immensely .

Yay, Salma :hell yea!: !!! Good job running it in general of course .

She hates Gemma Ward .

Looks: Chrishell Potential: Chrishell Overall Ability: Rosie

Hips: 10 Voice: 10 Intangible Goodness: 10 Lips: 7 Smile: 6 Hair: 10 Eyes: 6 Nose: 7 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 6 Butt: 5 Legs: 8

1-2. Olga Kurylenko 3-4. Charlize Theron 5-6. Olivia Wilde 7-8. Jessica Alba 9-10. Mila Kunis 11-12. Freida Pinto 13-14. Mary Elizabeth Winstead 15-16. Salma Hayek

1.5

Well, to me she's easily head and shoulders over eveyone who's been so far , 4 . Scores, names ect. coming . But since we're back to under two days, I might as well capitalize by putting the next round up now... Round 22

1 Vote for Previous 2 Votes needed for current round I think in such a case I should always count the lower score . I'm 100% convinced ! And I'm 100% sure I have more I had more chest hair than 90% of male models...when I was 12 . Awww, you guys *Joe feeds all* *Joe puts a kick me sign on Petty* *Baron steps on Jennka's foot* *Pretty discovers the sign and puts it on Joe* *The Pheno jumped over the moon* *Penny cops a feel on Kiki's french arse* *Joe's dog humps his leg again* *The Chocolate ran away with the spoon*

And if everyone thought that, then no one would get anywhere. Well, we may not speak the same language , but that is independently true at least .

I can't believe we're so close on one . Lips: 5 Smile: 7.5 Hair: 6 Eyes: 6 Nose: 6 Abs: 8 Cleavage: 9 Butt: 6 Legs: 7