Joe > Average

I hope none is offended by this . But since I know we have some animal lovers here (donbot, Jennka, frenchkiki...) I was curious if someone had some dog advice, because I'm not much of an expert with dogs. What do you do if a dog keeps erm...for lack of better words...having sex with your leg ? It seems like the sofa just doesn't satisfy him anymore. Is there some kind of dog escort service I guess to satisfy their hunger . I thought about taking him for a walk and hoping he can find true love, but then either I'd have to watch or leave him and if I leave him he could get lost, so I don't know what to do .

Wow, she's so cute and those eyes can just melt you .

I know someone like that too . Congrats Ana'sBFF, hope it all goes well .

Dita x5

Wow, I love pictures like that ! And good to know she likes nature .

I guess I won't say who she reminds me of because I hate threads that start off with those debates . But one of the prettiest up and comers imo and I think she could potentially be versatile since her look is commercial, but she knows how to model so she can pull off some hf too .

Round 23 2.5

I think my deal is more accurately not understanding crazes rather than appeal (why someone would like something in general). There are even quite a few models that I like even whose level of popularity truly astounds me . So that said, I don't really get the recent Hanah Davis craze :| . That's not to say why anyone would have any level of liking, but I don't see what it is about her that warrants a general sudden craze. I don't see much about her to stand out from the crowd of other California high school type girls or commercial models in general.

Claudia Shiffer x6 Bridgette Bardot x5, Doutzen Kroes x1 Emanuela De Paula x6

Zoe Kravit x3 Jessica Lowndes x3 Minka Kelly x3 - this Clemence woman scares me here btw :| . I've tried to avoid saying it . Astrid Berges - Frisbey x3 .......................... Hally Berry x3 Charlize Theron x3 Natalie Portman x3 Claudia Lynx x3

Looks - Shanina Potential - Ashley Overall Ability - Ashley, really no contest there !

Lips: 9 Smile: 9 Hair: 6 Eyes: 8 Nose: 6 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 9 Butt: 5 Legs: 7

Awww, you guys . And you already voted , but thanks . I'm putting the next one up today regardless . <_<

Vote people, please ! ! There's a lot of comps so its easy to get burried if you miss a few votes .

Yeah . Miranda's super cute, but I far and away prefer Shanina's lips and that's the only difference I feel that strongly about, so I voted for her .

Fair enough. Good point . Though ironically the men's magazines with the biggest requirements are in Europe I think, those being the increasingly popular Nuts and Zoo Magazines ect. where DD if not slightly more are average size for their models. Large bosom is also becoming increasingly popular in Japanes men's mags too... The first two also don't seem to mention how many men were surveyed to form said opinion and the third is an anonymous online poll, so women can also vote... My stand that the number surveyed makes a survey valid is just my general stand. The capability of said person that doesn't provide the numbers has nothing to do with it . Well, be they accepted or not, I'll take my chances with examples for my points. Not only did I not mention porn or music, but whereas I named two names, my example was "women who have fat bank accounts soley based on breast size", which is a lot more than two people . And my point wasn't necessarily to define a general attitude towards females, but to debate whether the original opinion was the general attitude or not based on the fact that it doesn't seem supported by many general things and I don't see a reference to how many were asked. You just assumed because I disagree that my stance is the direct opposite whereas I don't know or claim to know what the average man's ideal is. 1) I don't have an ideal size myself 2) Many women don't even wear the right size or properly fitting bra anyway. 3) Bras vary in padding and breasts vary drastically in shape and density even among the same cup sizes. 4) A lot of men can't accurately and consistently identify bra sizes anyway (partially confounded by 2 and 3. And as to no proof, you have no real proof of what's 'seen' as ideal girlfriend material or not. Not only because many don't even publicly voice their fantasies, but many people's mate isn't necessarily their ideal perfect fantasy in every aspect of looks, but other qualities factor in. No, I didn't forget topmodels, but since we were talking about breast size, I figured women famous primarily because of their breasts in an industry driven strictly by male popularity was worth a mention. As to topmodels, fashion on the other hand, isn't driven strictly by male popularity as the other is. In fact, appealing to the average man (or even mainstream media) isn't even manditory to have success as a fashion model. You can be very successful as a fashion model and not appeal to the average man at all, so succeding in fashion has nothing to do with the issue of ideal breast size of the average man. There are quite a few models who have been told to 'lose weight because they loook too men's magazine' so that among various other things show that what the average man wants isn't their primary agenda. Fashion is just as much, if not more about appealing to women (who buy said clothes, fragrances ect.) and is definitely more about appealing to standards and demands of designers ect. than what the average man wants.

Lips: 5 Smile: 6 Hair: 6 Eyes: 7 Nose: 7 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 6

Lips: 6 Smile: 7 - what's so bad about her smile :| ? Hair: 10 Eyes: 7 Nose: 6 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 7

@ BabyJude and LastWish . Well, LastWish, I'll definitely update the list for ya . And since this is General Babe Discussion, I might as well add actresses and singers too. I definitely have to add you for Minka since (even though I still don't know what she plays in ) a lot of people got to know her more from your sets . And thanks Jennka . Though I don't know if I apply for the HOF as much (ironic since I made the thread :| ) since my defenses are more from general principle than defending models I like . And then even with the contributions, haven't even contributed to Gemma's thread or most threads with a lot of pages pages for fear of the repost hounds . But I guess if we add actresses and singers that does increase my chances .

You can find a survey "amongst men" to say a lot of things just by virtue of the fact that there's billions of people in the world and countless survey. What makes a survey valid is how many people were surveyed and who was surveyed. With that information, not only does the information become valid, but the other person may then adequately decide whether said stats are relevant or not. A survey 'of women' said they like 6'1 more than 6'6. That looks authoritative on its own....but the truth is only 30 women were surveyed . So, regardless of the subject matter, unless one is running a political campaign I suppose, how many and who/where are what make stats relevant. And even aside, based on not only comparing the attention they get in everyday life, but the number of women with fat bank accounts solely on the grounds of their breasts and the size they generally are, I find it hard to believe that survey represents the 'average' man. But I bet if Keeley Hazel, for example were C she wouldn't be nearly as popular and likely not famous at all. And look how much Pamela Anderson's career took off when she upgrated from C to DD and look how it went down the toilet when she took them out and overnight got back on track when she got them back. That's not to say 'every' man, but their popularity and those like them is male driven and probably a greater indication of a larger numbe of men. That's not to say one is 'better' than the other one of course.

Lips: 7 Smile: 6 Hair: 6 Eyes: 6 Nose: 6 Abs: 10 Cleavage: 5 Butt: 5 Legs: 6

Audrey x3 Claudia x3 Hehehe ! I got the deciding vote !

Eva x5

This is Dutch model Anna Arendshorst .