General Discussion

[Miss Bathory]

15 hours ago, Souled-Out said:

 

I may never understand her personal life choices.

 

But I will say, it should be acknowledged and noted how Adriana lasted longer than people thought she would in this industry. Because she was such a prettier face and a lot of men loved her, people wanted her to be a fluke. Adriana ended up being the furthest from that. Only a handful from her era are still very popular

 

She did more than people thought she would. And she surely stayed popular for longer than people thought she would. I remember those days when people only saw Adriana as the VS girl and basically talked as if that was going to be the end for her. She's still successful, she still popular as hell, and is 100% a household name. And now, she can say she has been honored and awarded not once but TWICE in the industry. I gotta applaud her for that. She proved people wrong. She will now have two fashion awards, she really is SOMEBODY in the modeling industry whether people like it or not. Because its not easy to maintain relevance and a career for this long. And its def not easy to be honored by the industry more than once

 

Now, as I said, I really hope for her sake she has a good look. Great hair and makeup that is beautiful but nothing like what Patrick Ta be doing. Just a good makeup and Adriana looking confident, not sucking in her cheeks or anything. She has the chance to really shine and I hope she uses that

 

 

Well.. Besides of Gisele , she is one of the VS Angel of the old guard who still have relevance in industry. I think she proof she's not just a pretty face, she's a wonderful model. If we talk about her career I guess she was very smart in all her steps. Maybe someone will talk about Alessandra or Candice. But no one her has the impact Adriana has. The only thing I really love to see is her create something like her own brand, like a swin , lingerie or gym. I really don't want to her to create like a make up of skincare brand. I think we alredy have to much of celeb/model brand of beauty.

[Souled-Out]

6 hours ago, Miss Bathory said:

 

 

Well.. Besides of Gisele , she is one of the VS Angel of the old guard who still have relevance in industry. I think she proof she's not just a pretty face, she's a wonderful model. If we talk about her career I guess she was very smart in all her steps. Maybe someone will talk about Alessandra or Candice. But no one her has the impact Adriana has. The only thing I really love to see is her create something like her own brand, like a swin , lingerie or gym. I really don't want to her to create like a make up of skincare brand. I think we alredy have to much of celeb/model brand of beauty.

 

Yeah basically. I will say Isabeli Fontana still does a good amount of work too, like you still see her. However, she isn't as popular in terms of people knowing/thinking about her as Adriana. Pretty much only Gisele can match the kind of relevance Adriana continues to have. Which says a lot because its Gisele. 

 

Alessandra still works too, but like Isabeli she was more popular in the past than now. Adriana's popularity is consistent, like Gisele's. And yeah I think thats an accomplishment/impressive

 

 

[Miss Bathory]

5 hours ago, Souled-Out said:

 

Yeah basically. I will say Isabeli Fontana still does a good amount of work too, like you still see her. However, she isn't as popular in terms of people knowing/thinking about her as Adriana. Pretty much only Gisele can match the kind of relevance Adriana continues to have. Which says a lot because its Gisele. 

 

Alessandra still works too, but like Isabeli she was more popular in the past than now. Adriana's popularity is consistent, like Gisele's. And yeah I think thats an accomplishment/impressive

 

 

Yeh.. Like I said.. all theses girls still have work, but not like Adriana , Gisele, Heidi. Alessandra do some work, but she  always in party and something like this.. 

[Souled-Out]

42 minutes ago, Miss Bathory said:

Yeh.. Like I said.. all theses girls still have work, but not like Adriana , Gisele, Heidi. Alessandra do some work, but she  always in party and something like this.. 

 

Yeah I saw heidi is now with lo'real paris that shocked me lol. I don't think she ever got a deal like that but she does at her age. Although I still wouldn't compare heidi's career with any of there's either because Heidi truly did not do much lol. And Adriana doesn't have the career of like Gisele. But Adriana always does enough for you to see she is clearly a model that is still booked

[Miss Bathory]

13 hours ago, Souled-Out said:

 

Yeah I saw heidi is now with lo'real paris that shocked me lol. I don't think she ever got a deal like that but she does at her age. Although I still wouldn't compare heidi's career with any of there's either because Heidi truly did not do much lol. And Adriana doesn't have the career of like Gisele. But Adriana always does enough for you to see she is clearly a model that is still booked

I don't follow Heidi as much.. but I remember she always in 2nd or 3rd at the highest paid model.. But as far as I know no one have a career like Gisele.. the only one who can get a little closer is Bella Haddid, bc she always in campaign, runway, covers. And about Adriana, she is doing more after she had her 3rd baby, than before. but anyway I relly enjoy see her in almost everything. I hope she goes to Cannes Festival this year too.

[Souled-Out]

1 hour ago, Miss Bathory said:

I don't follow Heidi as much.. but I remember she always in 2nd or 3rd at the highest paid model.. But as far as I know no one have a career like Gisele.. the only one who can get a little closer is Bella Haddid, bc she always in campaign, runway, covers. And about Adriana, she is doing more after she had her 3rd baby, than before. but anyway I relly enjoy see her in almost everything. I hope she goes to Cannes Festival this year too.

 

That is because Heidi used to be with VS and got like good hosting jobs. I don't recall Heidi getting many fashion campaigns. And Karl Langford mocked her saying did she know what paris fashion week was because thats how little jobs outside of VS she was doing

[Marsnoop]

I honestly think it's unfair at this point to compare some of these models and the trajectory their careers have taken.  They're all just so different.

 

Gisele- clearly the GOAT.  She's straddled both commercial and high fashion realms flawlessly.  Walked every catwalk, done every campaign, been a muse to every single designer practically and on top of that she was a VS superstar (for the relatively short time she was there).  And not to diminish her accomplishments, but her famous boyfriends (Leo) and ex-husband (Tom Brady) made her visible to all of those midwesterners in America that have never looked at Vogue/Elle/etc.  She's become the face of an entire country, Brazil, and she's a part of the cultural zeitgeist in a way that none of the other models except the 90s supers are.  

Heidi- she really didn't do much at all in fashion.  I think I can count her runway shows other than VS on one hand.  Her fame is really due to VS and Sports Illustrated.  She's dabbled in a few fashion editorials before (Her Citizen K cover and editorial playing the Amish milkmaid is incredible to me) but her sphere was commercial.  She took the opportunity to pivot to hosting (Germany's Next Top Model, Project Runway, America's Got Talent, etc.) and that's really where she became a household name, again where your average midwesterner could recognize.  I'm also a bit shocked that at this stage she did get a L'oreal contract, but I think she's a phenomenal spokesperson and she plays to her strengths.

 

These two (+Tyra and Kate Moss) I really think are the only models outside of the 90s supers that your average American can name and associate a face too in their age group: 40s-50s. 

If we want to talk about Adriana's peers from the 2000s then you have the HF models who are still top models working that no one knows (Raquel, Mariacarla, Karen Elson, and I would even include Isabeli in here) outside of the industry and you have the VS girls who although popular don't really have the same legacy (like Miranda Kerr) with the exception of Candice (but she's 6-7 years younger).

 

I think it's really just Adriana and Alessandra that are the "biggest" names outside of fashion from their specific era.  I love Ale, but I'll concede that Adriana has her beat when it comes to name recognition on the street and her fashion profile.  But the two of them are still standing, along with Isabeli, after the Brazilian wave and that says a lot considering some of the girls that were more popular than them at the beginning of their careers (Raica, Ana BB, Mariana Weickert, Caroline Ribeiro, Ana Claudia Michels, and Marcelle Bittar) now don't work much internationally.  I think it's a testament that Ale and Adriana both have 21 Vogue covers and are still active models booking more than let's say Karolina Kurkova at the moment who was HUGE when she first started.  Now what I don't personally understand, and I mean no hate, is how Irina seems to have catapulted over both Ale and Adriana to reach her level of success.  It obviously helped to have STRONG industry support (Donatella Versace, Riccardo Tisci, Piergiorgio, Edward, etc.) and two famous exes (Bradley Cooper and Cristiano Ronaldo) but her level of success in fashion, at least, is insane while still doing commercial money jobs (although maybe not as visible as a VS contract once was).  

I then think you have a number of contenders in the 2010s: Karlie Kloss, Barbara Palvin, Candice, Cara, Gigi, Bella.  I think Gigi and Bella are the current top social media/nepo models that achieved the most out of that crop (Kendall, Kaia, Hailey, etc.) who seem to do everything: media, HF campaigns, commercial jobs, whatever branded deals they get into.  But it's an entirely different generation that we can't really compare.

Anyways, just my two cents.  Several of the models I mentioned are icons, and I'm happy several of them are still around being booked and busy.  

 

Edited April 24 by Marsnoop
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[Souled-Out]

4 hours ago, Marsnoop said:

I honestly think it's unfair at this point to compare some of these models and the trajectory their careers have taken.  They're all just so different.

 

Gisele- clearly the GOAT.  She's straddled both commercial and high fashion realms flawlessly.  Walked every catwalk, done every campaign, been a muse to every single designer practically and on top of that she was a VS superstar (for the relatively short time she was there).  And not to diminish her accomplishments, but her famous boyfriends (Leo) and ex-husband (Tom Brady) made her visible to all of those midwesterners in America that have never looked at Vogue/Elle/etc.  She's become the face of an entire country, Brazil, and she's a part of the cultural zeitgeist in a way that none of the other models except the 90s supers are.  

Heidi- she really didn't do much at all in fashion.  I think I can count her runway shows other than VS on one hand.  Her fame is really due to VS and Sports Illustrated.  She's dabbled in a few fashion editorials before (Her Citizen K cover and editorial playing the Amish milkmaid is incredible to me) but her sphere was commercial.  She took the opportunity to pivot to hosting (Germany's Next Top Model, Project Runway, America's Got Talent, etc.) and that's really where she became a household name, again where your average midwesterner could recognize.  I'm also a bit shocked that at this stage she did get a L'oreal contract, but I think she's a phenomenal spokesperson and she plays to her strengths.

 

These two (+Tyra and Kate Moss) I really think are the only models outside of the 90s supers that your average American can name and associate a face too in their age group: 40s-50s. 

If we want to talk about Adriana's peers from the 2000s then you have the HF models who are still top models working that no one knows (Raquel, Mariacarla, Karen Elson, and I would even include Isabeli in here) outside of the industry and you have the VS girls who although popular don't really have the same legacy (like Miranda Kerr) with the exception of Candice (but she's 6-7 years younger).

 

I think it's really just Adriana and Alessandra that are the "biggest" names outside of fashion from their specific era.  I love Ale, but I'll concede that Adriana has her beat when it comes to name recognition on the street and her fashion profile.  But the two of them are still standing, along with Isabeli, after the Brazilian wave and that says a lot considering some of the girls that were more popular than them at the beginning of their careers (Raica, Ana BB, Mariana Weickert, Caroline Ribeiro, Ana Claudia Michels, and Marcelle Bittar) now don't work much internationally.  I think it's a testament that Ale and Adriana both have 21 Vogue covers and are still active models booking more than let's say Karolina Kurkova at the moment who was HUGE when she first started.  Now what I don't personally understand, and I mean no hate, is how Irina seems to have catapulted over both Ale and Adriana to reach her level of success.  It obviously helped to have STRONG industry support (Donatella Versace, Riccardo Tisci, Piergiorgio, Edward, etc.) and two famous exes (Bradley Cooper and Cristiano Ronaldo) but her level of success in fashion, at least, is insane while still doing commercial money jobs (although maybe not as visible as a VS contract once was).  

I then think you have a number of contenders in the 2010s: Karlie Kloss, Barbara Palvin, Candice, Cara, Gigi, Bella.  I think Gigi and Bella are the current top social media/nepo models that achieved the most out of that crop (Kendall, Kaia, Hailey, etc.) who seem to do everything: media, HF campaigns, commercial jobs, whatever branded deals they get into.  But it's an entirely different generation that we can't really compare.

Anyways, just my two cents.  Several of the models I mentioned are icons, and I'm happy several of them are still around being booked and busy.  

 

 

I agree with you SO hard about Irina lol. The way she RANDOMLY surpassed them portfolio wise must be studied. Because she does not have a better look than them or talent. Thats why for at least 10 years she was more so like Heidi, except not even as famous or well known. But she was doing strictly sports illustrated, VS didn't even want her as angel. Like. Irina is no gisele in terms of modelling at all, so she should have not surpassed them the way she did, especially with it being out of no where. Its kinda crazy when people feed into that and pretend like she is exceptional and thats why after 10 years she got a spike in her career, nah. And she isn't more attractive than them either. 

 

But, I must say its the social game she played. She racks up all these A list men (Ronaldo, Bradley Cooper, now TOM BRADY even) and that keeps her name afloat. And to me, she is the opposite of Adriana. Adriana isn't an industry person, well she wasn't. Like, she liked who she liked and befriended who she wanted to befriend. But she was not kissing anyone's ass or doing extra things to gain strong support in the fashion industry. And I think thats what Irina did. She got her foot in by dating the right people and played a strong social game that made her favored. However, IDC what her fans has to say, she didn't get where she was because of talent. If she navigated her career like Adriana and Alessandra who didn't usually date men way more famous than them and who are more selective about who they are close to in the industry, she would have stayed behind them career wise like she was the first 10 years of her career. Irina got lucky but I will never accept her being actually better than Adriana or Alessandra. I don't even think she is truly as famous or liked the way by the general public the way that adriana is. Because at the end of the day Adriana can still say, she was hired by a brand (Victoria's Secret) and she was VERY important to that brand. Some would say she carried it at some point. Irina can't say that about anything she has done. She just booked jobs left and right, but where is the impact? Adriana made impact. Gisele has made impact. Even Tyra who people don't want to consider a supermodel because she too has done less in comparison to models like Irina, but even Tyra has made impact on the industry. Irina has mediocre talent and has yet to actually make impact in the industry but she has conveniently constantly dated some of the biggest names in the world and is more social in the industry, thats the key to her success for me. So she will never be above someone like Adriana in my opinion, Adriana has done all she did and actually made impact without playing a strong social game and without consistently dating men bigger than her.

[Marsnoop]

Preach. lol.

[Miss Bathory]

Who said Tyra doesn't have all the impact? I love Tyra, I think she is one of the few models who really change the industry, her catwalk, her face, her body, she became herself in the industry being her.. As Irina.. she only is who she is, because of her boyfriends, in especial Cristiano Ronaldo, I didn't know she is dating Tom Brady, but in my opinion, he kinda lost the relevance af the divorce with Gisele and Irina is only know for her cover in SI and some random jobs, I don't even remember her in editorials, beside the one she was with Adriana. For me Irina is just like Izabel Goulart.. One model I do like very much is Vivian Orth. She may not be like Adriana, Alessandra or even Isabeli in question of fame, but she is a great model. Isabeli I like her as a MODEL, but as a person I don't like very much, she is always throw some shade on Adriana, Alessandra.

 

 

By the way.. is it really true Adriana is following Trump on instagram? I saw someone talking about Gisele being friend of Ivanka and in the commens people were showing prints of Adriana who follow him .. it was a big surprise this for me.

[Souled-Out]

1 hour ago, Miss Bathory said:

 

By the way.. is it really true Adriana is following Trump on instagram? I saw someone talking about Gisele being friend of Ivanka and in the commens people were showing prints of Adriana who follow him .. it was a big surprise this for me.

 

Yeah I seen that. Gisele is seen hanging out with Ivanka and seems to be friends with her. So yeah, people also assume Gisele is a supporter of that man too. And so people deflected to Adriana following him, which people made a bigger deal about. This is what we have been talking about the whole time about Andre and his politics, and Adriana letting herself be stupidly influenced. I don't understand why Adriana would do such thing knowing people love to hate on her more, she gave them a legit reason to be mean towards her and make viral tweets about her that are bad. Which they are doing now. People should be talking about the fact that she got an award last night, but they aren't. They are saying bad things about her instead because she gonna follow disgraceful man

 

Smh. All Adriana had to do was stick with her own right mind for once but she wouldn't be Adriana if she didn't let a man fuck up her life in some way. Like I literally saw people make a bigger deal out of Adriana following than someone else being seen actually hanging out with that family. But, thats because like I said, Adriana gets with a brazilian man thats not like her and forgot where she came from. Everyone remembers Adriana as the brazilian with a mixed background who always talked about that. Now she is okay with politicians who clearly dislike the background she knows she comes from? Thats why it is made a big deal with her, because Adriana knows better. I know she does because of the way she used to talk about politics and social issues.

 

Don't get me started. People are saying "Fuck Adriana Lima" now, and nobody can defend it. And nobody shouldn't because I am sure Adriana unfortunately does not care. As long as she has the man who always supported these politics by her side, nothing else matters. She doesn't care that following Trump makes people call her a supporter of his and she doesn't care how much she disappoint her fans with that. She doesn't care how bad it looks to come from the mixed background she does & be okay with a politician that doesn't like your background. I am sure she doesn't care because I think that by now Adriana is aware of people talking about this & she has not done anything to deny the assumptions

 

It is painful to see Adriana be so careless & let a man flush years of her having a good reputation about things down the drain

[Jaytrainne2884]

20 hours ago, Souled-Out said:

 

I agree with you SO hard about Irina lol. The way she RANDOMLY surpassed them portfolio wise must be studied. Because she does not have a better look than them or talent. Thats why for at least 10 years she was more so like Heidi, except not even as famous or well known. But she was doing strictly sports illustrated, VS didn't even want her as angel. Like. Irina is no gisele in terms of modelling at all, so she should have not surpassed them the way she did, especially with it being out of no where. Its kinda crazy when people feed into that and pretend like she is exceptional and thats why after 10 years she got a spike in her career, nah. And she isn't more attractive than them either. 

 

But, I must say its the social game she played. She racks up all these A list men (Ronaldo, Bradley Cooper, now TOM BRADY even) and that keeps her name afloat. And to me, she is the opposite of Adriana. Adriana isn't an industry person, well she wasn't. Like, she liked who she liked and befriended who she wanted to befriend. But she was not kissing anyone's ass or doing extra things to gain strong support in the fashion industry. And I think thats what Irina did. She got her foot in by dating the right people and played a strong social game that made her favored. However, IDC what her fans has to say, she didn't get where she was because of talent. If she navigated her career like Adriana and Alessandra who didn't usually date men way more famous than them and who are more selective about who they are close to in the industry, she would have stayed behind them career wise like she was the first 10 years of her career. Irina got lucky but I will never accept her being actually better than Adriana or Alessandra. I don't even think she is truly as famous or liked the way by the general public the way that adriana is. Because at the end of the day Adriana can still say, she was hired by a brand (Victoria's Secret) and she was VERY important to that brand. Some would say she carried it at some point. Irina can't say that about anything she has done. She just booked jobs left and right, but where is the impact? Adriana made impact. Gisele has made impact. Even Tyra who people don't want to consider a supermodel because she too has done less in comparison to models like Irina, but even Tyra has made impact on the industry. Irina has mediocre talent and has yet to actually make impact in the industry but she has conveniently constantly dated some of the biggest names in the world and is more social in the industry, thats the key to her success for me. So she will never be above someone like Adriana in my opinion, Adriana has done all she did and actually made impact without playing a strong social game and without consistently dating men bigger than her.

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 (regarding Irina) 

[Sophie20]

11 hours ago, Miss Bathory said:

Who said Tyra doesn't have all the impact? I love Tyra, I think she is one of the few models who really change the industry, her catwalk, her face, her body, she became herself in the industry being her.. As Irina.. she only is who she is, because of her boyfriends, in especial Cristiano Ronaldo, I didn't know she is dating Tom Brady, but in my opinion, he kinda lost the relevance af the divorce with Gisele and Irina is only know for her cover in SI and some random jobs, I don't even remember her in editorials, beside the one she was with Adriana. For me Irina is just like Izabel Goulart.. One model I do like very much is Vivian Orth. She may not be like Adriana, Alessandra or even Isabeli in question of fame, but she is a great model. Isabeli I like her as a MODEL, but as a person I don't like very much, she is always throw some shade on Adriana, Alessandra.

 

 

By the way.. is it really true Adriana is following Trump on instagram? I saw someone talking about Gisele being friend of Ivanka and in the commens people were showing prints of Adriana who follow him .. it was a big surprise this for me.

Vivian Orth made a video talking how nice Adriana was with her on her career...cool! Adriana has a good fame with other models

 

About Gisele, her boyfriend Joaquim is giving lessons to Ivanka, he is jiu jitsu coach...but I saw today he is friend of Bolsonaro's son and pro guns, I'm shocked because Gisele is against Trump (her and Tom discussed about it in the past) weird

[Souled-Out]

2 hours ago, Sophie20 said:

Vivian Orth made a video talking how nice Adriana was with her on her career...cool! Adriana has a good fame with other models

 

About Gisele, her boyfriend Joaquim is giving lessons to Ivanka, he is jiu jitsu coach...but I saw today he is friend of Bolsonaro's son and pro guns, I'm shocked because Gisele is against Trump (her and Tom discussed about it in the past) weird

 

No, Tom wasn't against Trump. Tom had always been friends with trump. And he was caught with a MAGA hat in his lockeroom. Tom is known as a trump supporter in the united states, he just did some damage control because he knows that shit is actually wrong

 

Its weird and its stupid. Lucky for Gisele people aren't as up in arms about it with her because she is a non-mixed brazilian who grew up better off in comparison to someone like Adriana. People expect it from Gisele. Gisele isn't mixed at all, didn't grow up with any struggles, not financially

 

People don't expect it from Adriana because she used to be proud of her ethnic roots, and she grew up not having much, she also grew up with violence going on. Which is something this current president doesn't care about either smh. Adriana used to care about where she came from and told about what people like her and where she came from had to experience, the not good things. The things that people like the current administration wants to be happening again. So that is why everyone is the most disappointed with Adriana. Life as she knew it as a celeb will never be the same again. She's gonna deal with more trolls and less people defending her because she isn't going to seem worthy of defending. Anything not good that happens to her, people gonna think she deserves it. Her being seen as likeable and people loving her so much everywhere is over.

 

 She'd rather look and be called a stupid and careless person, so thats how people gonna treat her now. It is what it is. Like I said, its painful to watch her be so dumb and fuck things up for herself all the time and then its because of the person she married too. She just keeps letting Andre fuck shit up for her LOL

 

I don't think I have ever seen a celebrity who lacked SO much self awareness like Adriana, and never knew whats best for her. Like if you're gonna be stupid and support people who are trying to take away civil rights, do that shit privately at least. Especially after all the years of talking about your heritage and background and social issues, but you're okay with a man trying to take away civil rights and wants discrimination to happen again? Its so dumb to let people see you support that. But it would take being smart to know you keep those things completely to yourself and don't like or follow shit on instagram that gives away that you changed for the worst. But adriana just isn't smart. So she gonna let herself look like a careless hypocrite who doesn't care about fairness in this country 

 

But whatever, I am officially done with wanting the best for Adriana. Because she doesn't want whats best for herself. She doesn't behave like a person who knows whats best for herself. Thats both in terms of this and her styling/looks choices too. Letting patrick Ta fuck up her face all the time- the whole world had to mock her for her to see the issue, now she is sucking in her cheeks all the time making herself look worse than she actually naturally does. Letting a man who she only knew for less than a year change her and her kids life completely. Adriana truly doesn't do anything that shows she wants the best for herself. And I can't want good things for someone, who doesn't want good things for themselves or this country. The only thing  Adriana knows how to do is keep her career going. That is it. Other than that she is far from one of the smarter models out there. Can't even be mad at all the people calling her dumb/stupid now, even people who actually voted for that man, say they regret voting for him now. But here goes Adriana's brain less self, still have not caught on to why that man's real voters and loyal supporters hate that they voted for him now.

 

 

[Sophie20]

19 hours ago, Souled-Out said:

 

No, Tom wasn't against Trump. Tom had always been friends with trump. And he was caught with a MAGA hat in his lockeroom. Tom is known as a trump supporter in the united states, he just did some damage control because he knows that shit is actually wrong

 

Its weird and its stupid. Lucky for Gisele people aren't as up in arms about it with her because she is a non-mixed brazilian who grew up better off in comparison to someone like Adriana. People expect it from Gisele. Gisele isn't mixed at all, didn't grow up with any struggles, not financially

 

People don't expect it from Adriana because she used to be proud of her ethnic roots, and she grew up not having much, she also grew up with violence going on. Which is something this current president doesn't care about either smh. Adriana used to care about where she came from and told about what people like her and where she came from had to experience, the not good things. The things that people like the current administration wants to be happening again. So that is why everyone is the most disappointed with Adriana. Life as she knew it as a celeb will never be the same again. She's gonna deal with more trolls and less people defending her because she isn't going to seem worthy of defending. Anything not good that happens to her, people gonna think she deserves it. Her being seen as likeable and people loving her so much everywhere is over.

 

 She'd rather look and be called a stupid and careless person, so thats how people gonna treat her now. It is what it is. Like I said, its painful to watch her be so dumb and fuck things up for herself all the time and then its because of the person she married too. She just keeps letting Andre fuck shit up for her LOL

 

I don't think I have ever seen a celebrity who lacked SO much self awareness like Adriana, and never knew whats best for her. Like if you're gonna be stupid and support people who are trying to take away civil rights, do that shit privately at least. Especially after all the years of talking about your heritage and background and social issues, but you're okay with a man trying to take away civil rights and wants discrimination to happen again? Its so dumb to let people see you support that. But it would take being smart to know you keep those things completely to yourself and don't like or follow shit on instagram that gives away that you changed for the worst. But adriana just isn't smart. So she gonna let herself look like a careless hypocrite who doesn't care about fairness in this country 

 

But whatever, I am officially done with wanting the best for Adriana. Because she doesn't want whats best for herself. She doesn't behave like a person who knows whats best for herself. Thats both in terms of this and her styling/looks choices too. Letting patrick Ta fuck up her face all the time- the whole world had to mock her for her to see the issue, now she is sucking in her cheeks all the time making herself look worse than she actually naturally does. Letting a man who she only knew for less than a year change her and her kids life completely. Adriana truly doesn't do anything that shows she wants the best for herself. And I can't want good things for someone, who doesn't want good things for themselves or this country. The only thing  Adriana knows how to do is keep her career going. That is it. Other than that she is far from one of the smarter models out there. Can't even be mad at all the people calling her dumb/stupid now, even people who actually voted for that man, say they regret voting for him now. But here goes Adriana's brain less self, still have not caught on to why that man's real voters and loyal supporters hate that they voted for him now.

 

 

I did not said Tom was against Trump haha I said the opposite, Gisele was against and because of it they discussed, everyone know Tom and Trump are friends.... But Joaquim? Jesus, and Gisele again with a guy that has this politican opinion, crazy for me

[Sophie20]

Omg, because of Gisele people in Brazil are talking about Adriana following and liking Trump posts, she also follow Ivanka and RFK Jr. Jesus.......  people are shocked

[Miss Bathory]

14 hours ago, Sophie20 said:

Omg, because of Gisele people in Brazil are talking about Adriana following and liking Trump posts, she also follow Ivanka and RFK Jr. Jesus.......  people are shocked

Yeh.. I just saw some videos on tik tok saying how the are not surprise with this ( about Adriana and Gisele) , saying they never care about Brazil and stuffs. Some of them saying the expect all this from Gisele, since she had done some posts kinds of support conservador people and since she is from the south of Brazil, it is what they expect from her ( for thoses who doesn't know. The South of Brazil is very know as supporters of Bolsonaro and Trump). The good thing is Adriana and Gisele doesn't depend of people from Brazil, like, it's very rare both doing some campaign for brazilian brands.. but in the moment people from USA start talking about this, it will be a bad thing for them.

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3 hours ago, Miss Bathory said:

Yeh.. I just saw some videos on tik tok saying how the are not surprise with this ( about Adriana and Gisele) , saying they never care about Brazil and stuffs. Some of them saying the expect all this from Gisele, since she had done some posts kinds of support conservador people and since she is from the south of Brazil, it is what they expect from her ( for thoses who doesn't know. The South of Brazil is very know as supporters of Bolsonaro and Trump). The good thing is Adriana and Gisele doesn't depend of people from Brazil, like, it's very rare both doing some campaign for brazilian brands.. but in the moment people from USA start talking about this, it will be a bad thing for them.

 

 

There is no good thing about this because Trump and his administration are the United States Government, not brazilian government. Of course it will get to the people of the USA, actually it has in some corners, another forum that used to LOVE adriana no longer does because they also realized Adriana's following and stuff. Now when she gets posted there people don't want to compliment or say nice things about her because they see what type of people she chooses to support. Either way it goes its dumb and bad of Adriana. But as I said, Adriana clearly does not care because I am very sure she is aware of this by now, she always is when it comes to things like this.

 

If Adriana doesn't give a damn. We shouldn't give a fuck. Thats on her, that she will catch the negativity that comes with supporting disgraceful people. The man just had the lowest approval rate of ANY president in history. His own actual voters (because Adriana didn't even vote) are now upset that they voted for him...and Adriana thinks its cool and cute to be on that side? The side of a president who has a historically LOW approval rate? She looks like a dumb follower joining a bandwagon, at the WORST time to join. She couldn't have chosen a worse time to start being like this. Trump's own voters and those who did endorse him have said they regret it. So Adriana and the others deciding to join the bandwagon this late looks terribly stupid and no doubt its gonna bite her in the ass because what goes around comes around. And the fact that its mainly because of that loser she married. The way she keeps letting her husband ruin her life every year since he met her is insane. People already like to give her a hard time these days unprovoked, its gonna get worse. And as I said, ain't nobody defending that. The next time the world comes together again and make her feel bad about herself, people will not be defending her or still trying to support her like they was before. They gonna remember that she doesn't give a fuck about this country being better for everyone else, so why should they give a fuck about her?

 

But I can't feel sorry or want better for anyone who is unapologetically on the wrong team. All I can say Adriana has deeply disappointed a lot of people and the fact that she does not care makes it worse, but is further confirmation that she really doesn't deserve those people she disappointed support anymore

[Sophie20]

I will be honest, I'm brazilian and I think Adriana is the brazilian model who less care about Brazil, she is the one who never visit Brazil, the one that the kids are less conected with brazilian culture, even her portuguese is the worse.. so why will she care about the brazilians/latinos affected by Trump??

 

About Gisele, she always cares about Amazonia, the indigenous..so support Trump or marry a guy who support this type of person is crazy, she always had a good image here, she is an idol here

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19 hours ago, Sophie20 said:

I will be honest, I'm brazilian and I think Adriana is the brazilian model who less care about Brazil, she is the one who never visit Brazil, the one that the kids are less conected with brazilian culture, even her portuguese is the worse.. so why will she care about the brazilians/latinos affected by Trump??

 

About Gisele, she always cares about Amazonia, the indigenous..so support Trump or marry a guy who support this type of person is crazy, she always had a good image here, she is an idol here

 

Okay. This is not me trying to defend Adriana, but rather me pointing out the flaws Brazil has and always had when it comes to how they treat their people/Adriana. And me further proving why Adriana shouldn't be comfortable aligning herself/supporting people who are white supremacists. This is proof that Adriana aligning herself with people like that, won't save her from getting scorned by those same kinds of people, which is why we say she doesn't look smart for this. 1.Adriana has supported charities and everything for brazil, only for them to still demonize her over the most over silly thing, the reason she gets demonized for small things is because of prejudice. And thats why we say Adriana looks dumb for supporting politicians who have also proven to be prejudice because its not gonna stop her from dealing with it, clearly. You see how nobody is in Gisele's part of bellazon talking about this? Yeah.

 

Before all of this, Adriana deserved to have a "good" image in Brazil. Simply because before this, Adriana never did anything wrong to brazil or brazilians. The only way anyone should ever have a not good image in a country, is if they actually did something bad to it. Adriana never did anything bad to it. Just because you don't like how someone speaks their native language doesn't mean they deserve to be demonized or looked at badly. When people in the US have bad grammar, nobody thinks its because they don't like the US or have a problem with it. Because that actually doesn't make sense. I am sorry but brazilians doing that to Adriana are truly nitpicking. Adriana doesn't even have good american english either, but us Americans didn't think that meant she was a bad person or should have a bad image. Brazilians shouldn't either.

 

And while I do not like all the bullshit Adriana has done currently, I am NOT gonna pretend like Adriana never had a good image and reputation before all of this. Anybody would tell you she did, and they can show you why. So the fact that brazil was the only country that view her that way when they had no REAL reason to, shows a problem with Brazil. Because ya'll didn't have a reason before to think she wasn't worthy of having a good image. The way someone talks is not enough, that sounds pretty prejudice actually. Some people talk the way they do because of how they grew up. Adriana didn't grow up in the best environment and area of brazil, that could impact how she talked. And ya'll demonize her for that. Yeah, that sounds pretty prejudice. Which is the problem I am getting at. Nobody should have a "bad" or not good image in a country, who didn't do even anything wrong to the country before this anyway. They especially shouldn't because of how they talk. And you can't say Adriana never gave back in the country because she did. More than some other brazilian models who are not mixed but have done less than Adriana did for brazil, but they never got as much hate either.

 

As much as I hate Adriana's new stance, and this situation proves why I find her stance stupid. I will say, Brazil has always been biased towards Adriana anyway, before this. I mean the fact that she got hate MORE than Gisele for this, when Gisele was seen hanging out with those people, and clearly Gisele had this angelic image with brazil- is a representation of how that country has always been biased towards Adriana in comparison to others like Gisele. Like you saying she never visit brazil, when that clearly isn't true. We have seen her visit it at least once every year, but you're saying she never does. Thats simply untrue and an over reaction. You're not being honest, but this is the usual biased behavior projected onto Adriana from Brazilians. Which is the real reason why when Gisele was seen with trump family members, the brazilians deflected to Adriana. Key word is deflection. The hate was purposely SHIFTED to Adriana. She really got more heat from brazilian...as she always does. Thats why its stupid to me for Adriana to be on Trump side of things, because that same biased/discriminatory behavior that she is clearly still having to deal with from certain people in brazil, is what the trump administration represents themselves, they do the same things. This same bias and prejudice is the kind of stuff trump & his people love to do too and what they are actively working towards. Thats why it looks stupid of Adriana trying to be on a side of the same system of people that STILL will shit on her the most because she is not truly as seen as one of them. Thats why we say Adriana looks stupid because she seems to support people who treat others unfairly just like her country is still treating her unfairly compared to others and always did. Because thinking the way someone speaks their language is a legit reason to think the worst of them is crazy and it is also not a good look to lie on Adriana not visiting ger country and to pretend like Adriana never did charties for that country. When she has her entire career.

 

As I told another user, Ya'll need to take that emphasize off of Brazil when it comes to this because Trump is not a brazilian president. Is he also trying to negatively affect Brazil, yes. But in order to see why some people say it makes sense for Gisele,  you gotta stop looking at her as some "brazilian savior", just because she cares about trees lol. Trees aren't people. And Trump's biggest offenses is to PEOPLE and people of color, and yeah Gisele's great reputation is with trees, animals, and nature, not actual people. Just because someone cares about trees and nature or particular people doesn't mean they care about different people being affected by the administration. Like, I am sure if I go through your post history sophia, you're probably not in Gisele's section on this site talking about this. Nobody is. She has some kind of privilege to get away with this, that Adriana clearly don't have. Honestly, the fact that they deflected to Adriana, because of what Gisele was seen doing, showed it. The goal was to purposefully shift the hate to Adriana, and Camilla alves, another mixed brazilian. They dragged other brazilians, who are both mixed, in it on purpose to take some heat off someone who isn't a mixed brazilian.

 

So please, stop while you are ahead. I agree, it looks bad on them ALL. Clearly Adriana is wrong and dumb for being okay with people who ALSO practice prejudice actions against others, while she continues to deal with prejudice herself. But I am here for the previous demonization of one model over silly shit honestly and then putting a halo on another model when they have both been caught sending the same message. And one model (Adriana) always being demonized more than another even before this, is actually a worse reflection of her country. The fact that you're in here discussing this, but you're not in Gisele's forum discussing it proves all of what I am saying. There is clearly an underlying bias. And until I see people in Gisele's part of bellazon talking about this. Until I see the outrage become even. I will always think what I do now. This still doesn't make Adriana seemingly supporting these people okay either though, its still a bad look. But multiple things can be true at once.