That idiot Clavicular's algorithm power on tiktok is so extreme that I can't get rid of him from my tittok account despite having no prior interest in his content. His content appears, and all this blackpill rage-bait content pops up along side it.

Man, I feel like Candice did Joan dirty af, also, I feel like PR is trying to spin this, "set up by mutual friends" SHE KNEW HIM THROUGH JOAN LMAO WTF

18 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Man, I feel like Candice did Joan dirty af, also, I feel like PR is trying to spin this, "set up by mutual friends" SHE KNEW HIM THROUGH JOAN LMAO WTF

People magazine said the same thing, and I giggled. Now that a member of Candice's PR team has sort of acknowledged something happened, I think we can agree that Candice and Tom are/were together. Also, they've moved up the timeline in this saying they've been together since May instead of June.

On 10/26/2026 at 1:08 AM, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I have a confession to make

I have a sickness

I have massive OCD

and I could not stop thinking about the timeline of this, and I knew the information was in my work files, and if I know it's there and I didn't look for it, it would drive me CRAZY

but I generate a lot of data, and so IT TOOK ME TWO FUCKING HOURS

TWO FUCKING HOURS

IT'S OK, I HAD SOLEIL BLU ON REPEAT, SUPERNATURAL ON THE TV

JOAN UNFOLLOWED CANDICE ON MAY 6, 2026

10 DAYS BEFORE THE GUCCI CRUISE SHOW 2027 IN TIME SQUARE MAY 16, 2026

MEANING CANDICE AND TOM WERE ALREADY TOGETHER BY THEN WHEN THEY BOTH WALKED

I WOULD'VE BET EVERYTHING I HAD AND MY SWEET ASS THAT THE CRUISE SHOW WAS WHERE THEY MET

BUT THEY KNEW EACH OTHER BEFORE THAT, WERE ALREADY SLEEPING TOGETHER BY THEN, AND LONG ENOUGH FOR JOAN TO FIND OUT SOMEHOW, GET PISSED AT CANDICE, CONFRONT HER ABOUT IT, AND UNFOLLOW HER

SO THEY'VE BEEN SLEEPING TOGETHER SINCE AT LEAST APRIL 2026

AM I A SOLDIER OR WHAT

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk 😭

I'm ded now, I'm never coming back here

The day pointed me to a date in screenshots, so I looked through them, this is when the article came out that Candice dated a guy named Marcus Buaiz at the end of 2022

Also saw screenshots of our fallen friend DCandiceCom, wish she had kept up her Instagram and Twitter for archival purposes, that girl was a treasure for the fandom, hate that she nuked all of her hard work 😭

I hate her so much for that but she put in so much work so I can't even hate her 😭

I put so much work into this and nobody read it 😭

I think they've been sleeping together since at least April, because they had to be together for some time before Joan found out somehow, and it had to be bad enough that Joan got super pissed about it

13 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Man, I feel like Candice did Joan dirty af, also, I feel like PR is trying to spin this, "set up by mutual friends" SHE KNEW HIM THROUGH JOAN LMAO WTF

I'm not sure why you're intent on believing the absolute worst of Candice, and the absolute best of Joan. Even regarding the Kanye West rumors, you created a conspiracy that Candice must have been lying to her Dad, or her Dad must have been lying for her—it seems the only time you're willing to take something at face value is when it's negative for Candice. I'm also not sure why you've concluded Joan introduced Candice and Tom? Joan has never implied it, nor have the tabloids. Candice and Tom both live in Miami, they're both rich, I'm sure they have mutual friends outside of Joan.

With this latest Page Six reporting, it's starting to feel like Joan is self-inserting herself back into the drama. Is she upset because the attention was no longer on her? Is this feud the only thing she has going for her? I understand she hasn't had this much media attention or been very relevant in years, but she needs to move on. Telling their mutual friends to choose sides is high school, it's immature—and outside of Joan's immediate inner circle, I don't think it will fly with anyone else. I think most of us agree Candice is better off without Joan's inner circle 🤷‍♀️

I get the sense from Candice's PR statement that there's something she could reveal that wouldn't put Joan in the best light, but she's holding out of respect for their former friendship—and it lines up with Ali's stories shading Joan, and Candice's recent likes on Instagram. There are two sides to every story, and I doubt Joan's telling of events is the entire truth.

Anyway, whatever Candice and Tom's current involvement is, I doubt it will last much longer given the media attention. I also doubt the seriousness of it, period—Candice spending almost a week in Abu Dhabi now, doesn't exactly seem like the actions of a woman trying to keep an eye on Tom.

Another post Candice has liked recently:

10 minutes ago, summerc said:

I'm not sure why you're intent on believing the absolute worst of Candice, and the absolute best of Joan. Even regarding the Kanye West rumors, you created a conspiracy that Candice must have been lying to her Dad, or her Dad must have been lying for her—it seems the only time you're willing to take something at face value is when it's negative for Candice. I'm also not sure why you've concluded Joan introduced Candice and Tom? Joan has never implied it, nor have the tabloids. Candice and Tom both live in Miami, they're both rich, I'm sure they have mutual friends outside of Joan.

With this latest Page Six reporting, it's starting to feel like Joan is self-inserting herself back into the drama. Is she upset because the attention was no longer on her? Is this feud the only thing she has going for her? I understand she hasn't had this much media attention or been very relevant in years, but she needs to move on. Telling their mutual friends to choose sides is high school, it's immature—and outside of Joan's immediate inner circle, I don't think it will fly with anyone else. I think most of us agree Candice is better off without Joan's inner circle 🤷‍♀️

I get the sense from Candice's PR statement that there's something she could reveal that wouldn't put Joan in the best light, but she's holding out of respect for their former friendship—and it lines up with Ali's stories shading Joan, and Candice's recent likes on Instagram. There are two sides to every story, and I doubt Joan's telling of events is the entire truth.

Anyway, whatever Candice and Tom's current involvement is, I doubt it will last much longer given the media attention. I also doubt the seriousness of it, period—Candice spending almost a week in Abu Dhabi now, doesn't exactly seem like the actions of a woman trying to keep an eye on Tom.

Another post Candice has liked recently:

I am actually a huge fan of Candice, but I don't think she is what everyone thinks she is, especially after this whole story is coming out

I don't think the Kanye / Candice of it all is a conspiracy, if you search their names together on Reddit, there is very compelling evidence from DeuxMoi

Joan seems to be the common denominator between Candice and Tom, which is why I think they were introduced by her, if Joan was seeing him on and off for almost a year, they probably met at some point I feel like, it would be weird if she hadn't already met him, and then went after him when he was done with Joan

I really do hope Joan is inserting herself back in the drama, Candice and Tom are too private, she's the only way we're gonna find anything out

As for Candice and Tom, if they've been sleeping together since April, they've been going for 7 months, that's actually a really long time, as for whether or not it's serious, I think Candice does like having casual sex with men, like she was doing with Harry Styles for months, I think she has said in an interview before that she loves sex

I think when she's not working, Tom is probably the only person she hangs out with, she has all day to spend with him when her kids are at school, she probably spends the day with Tom and afternoons and nights with her kids

So I think their relationship is actually serious, I do understand though why people don't like him for her, I also feel kinda sad she's with a dude that's going around fucking tons of women, I also didn't like her being with Harry Styles for the same reason, but maybe she's fine with it, maybe she doesn't want something serious, maybe she's just good with casual sex

10 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I put so much work into this and nobody read it 😭

I think they've been sleeping together since at least April, because they had to be together for some time before Joan found out somehow, and it had to be bad enough that Joan got super pissed about it

This is all predicated on Joan's telling of events to be the full and honest truth... and given Joan's reputation, penchant for drama, and attention seeking ways, I doubt it is.

Candice and Joan definitely had a falling out in May, but I don't think it was that serious yet. Dawn was still supporting Tropic Of C over summer, and Katiely was at Costa Brazil x Tropic Of C's New York event in July. Something seems to have triggered Joan more recently... and it appears it was Candice unfollowing her 💀

Does anyone else think there's an unspoken Shaffer element to this? Besides Joan, Shaffer is the only member of Joan's circle that Candice has unfollowed, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Something about Joan and Shaffer's "friendship" has always struck me as odd—even when Candice and Shaffer were together, it always appeared that Joan and Shaffer were the couple. Strangely enough, even after Candice and Shaffer unfollowed each other, he's still following soulofswanepoel.

Pre-Tom drama, Candice and Joan's friendship seems to have grown a little distant since Candice broke up with Shaffer—they were mostly seen together for work/work-adjacent events, and if I recall correctly, they weren't seen together at all this year. I know we'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shaffer was the first issue to arise in their friendship.

Candice being in Abu Dhabi and attending that UFC event further proves her connection to Tom. UFC is controlled by WME/TKO which is controlled by Silver Lake Equity (which is owned by Egon Durban). Egon Durban is a close business partner of Tom’s. Egon Durban and Tom both own stakes in the Las Vegad Raiders. Egon is essentially the real owner of UFC and will do whatever Tom tells him, because Brady got Egon into the Raiders ownership at a massive discount. Brady had UFC pay Candice a bunch of money if she attended that event and posted about it

10 minutes ago, summerc said:

This is all predicated on Joan's telling of events to be the full and honest truth... and given Joan's reputation, penchant for drama, and attention seeking ways, I doubt it is.

Candice and Joan definitely had a falling out in May, but I don't think it was that serious yet. Dawn was still supporting Tropic Of C over summer, and Katiely was at Costa Brazil x Tropic Of C's New York event in July. Something seems to have triggered Joan more recently... and it appears it was Candice unfollowing her 💀

Does anyone else think there's an unspoken Shaffer element to this? Besides Joan, Shaffer is the only member of Joan's circle that Candice has unfollowed, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Something about Joan and Shaffer's "friendship" has always struck me as odd—even when Candice and Shaffer were together, it always appeared that Joan and Shaffer were the couple. Strangely enough, even after Candice and Shaffer unfollowed each other, he's still following soulofswanepoel.

Pre-Tom drama, Candice and Joan's friendship seems to have grown a little distant since Candice broke up with Shaffer—they were mostly seen together for work/work-adjacent events, and if I recall correctly, they weren't seen together at all this year. I know we'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shaffer was the first issue to arise in their friendship.

The Shaffer of it all FASCINATES ME, why didn't Joan date him, or did she date him first, I also got the impression it was Joan and Shaffer together until Candice POSTED THE INFAMOUS "BIRTHDAY BOY" PHOTO

I was like WTF, I'VE BEEN TRICKED

I DIDN'T REALIZE SHAFFER UNFOLLOWED CANDICE UNTIL I JUST READ THIS, HOLY SHIT

The Shaffer of it all fascinates me and we don't talk about it enough, I can't remember exactly when this was, but I noticed at one point, he started following A LOT, of Instagram models, but I can't remember exactly when that started

I thought it was weird she didn't repost the birthday tribute he posted for her calling her "Birthday Girl," so maybe he thought they weren't actually done

I thought it was also weird he didn't show up at the dinner Doutzen, Joan, Candice, Bravin, and Gita where at after 2025 VSFS

There was a story of an afterparty for the VSFS 2025, in Crane Club I think it was, where you see Candice dancing with Georgi Sandev, the hairstylist, and you see Shaffer dancing / standing literally on the other side of the dance floor, I was like LOL

20 minutes ago, summerc said:

This is all predicated on Joan's telling of events to be the full and honest truth... and given Joan's reputation, penchant for drama, and attention seeking ways, I doubt it is.

Candice and Joan definitely had a falling out in May, but I don't think it was that serious yet. Dawn was still supporting Tropic Of C over summer, and Katiely was at Costa Brazil x Tropic Of C's New York event in July. Something seems to have triggered Joan more recently... and it appears it was Candice unfollowing her 💀

Does anyone else think there's an unspoken Shaffer element to this? Besides Joan, Shaffer is the only member of Joan's circle that Candice has unfollowed, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Something about Joan and Shaffer's "friendship" has always struck me as odd—even when Candice and Shaffer were together, it always appeared that Joan and Shaffer were the couple. Strangely enough, even after Candice and Shaffer unfollowed each other, he's still following soulofswanepoel.

Pre-Tom drama, Candice and Joan's friendship seems to have grown a little distant since Candice broke up with Shaffer—they were mostly seen together for work/work-adjacent events, and if I recall correctly, they weren't seen together at all this year. I know we'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shaffer was the first issue to arise in their friendship.

Did you notice soulofswanepoel posted a glowing birthday tribute to Gita, and Candice never liked it, and soulofswanepoel deleted it at one point, I was like 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

13 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I am actually a huge fan of Candice, but I don't think she is what everyone thinks she is, especially after this whole story is coming out

I don't think the Kanye / Candice of it all is a conspiracy, if you search their names together on Reddit, there is very compelling evidence from DeuxMoi

Joan seems to be the common denominator between Candice and Tom, which is why I think they were introduced by her, if Joan was seeing him on and off for almost a year, they probably met at some point I feel like, it would be weird if she hadn't already met him, and then went after him when he was done with Joan

I really do hope Joan is inserting herself back in the drama, Candice and Tom are too private, she's the only way we're gonna find anything out

As for Candice and Tom, if they've been sleeping together since April, they've been going for 7 months, that's actually a really long time, as for whether or not it's serious, I think Candice does like having casual sex with men, like she was doing with Harry Styles for months, I think she has said in an interview before that she loves sex

I think when she's not working, Tom is probably the only person she hangs out with, she has all day to spend with him when her kids are at school, she probably spends the day with Tom and afternoons and nights with her kids

To say the "whole" story is coming out is disingenuous. We've only heard Joan's side of the story—which is obviously skewed to fit her narrative, and from unverifiable "insider sources"—which seem skewed to put Tom, specifically, in the best light. The only thing we've heard from Candice's side is a generic PR statement.

I won't argue with you about the Kanye West or Harry Styles rumors. For me, it's enough that Candice's Dad denied the Kanye rumors, and multiple X and Reddit users linked Deuxmoi's "sources" for the Harry rumors back to a Tumblr, but I understand that everyone has their set beliefs.

As far as how Candice and Tom met, sure, maybe Joan introduced them, but it's also possible they have other mutual friends—they both live in Miami, they're both rich, they're both hot (in Tom's case that's debatable, but you know what I mean 😂).

I doubt Candice spends all her time with Tom 🤷‍♀️ Candice was at a World Cup game with Lais and Jerome this summer, and I'm sure they have regular hang outs that don't get posted. She probably has other friends we don't know about, too. I also doubt Tom wants to be tied down hanging out with any woman every day.

Honestly, I hope we don't hear much more from Joan, Candice or Tom. The only person who comes out looking good is Tom, and I'd really like better for both Candice AND Joan.

46 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

من در واقع از طرفداران پروپاقرص کندیس هستم، اما فکر نمی‌کنم او آن چیزی باشد که همه فکر می‌کنند، مخصوصاً بعد از اینکه این داستان کامل منتشر شده است.

من فکر نمی‌کنم ماجرای کانیه و کندیس توطئه‌ای بیش نباشد، اگر اسم آنها را در ردیت با هم جستجو کنید، شواهد بسیار قانع‌کننده‌ای از DeuxMoi وجود دارد.

به نظر می‌رسد جون نقطه مشترک کندیس و تام است، به همین دلیل فکر می‌کنم آنها توسط او به هم معرفی شدند، اگر جوآن تقریباً یک سال او را گهگاه می‌دید، احتمالاً در مقطعی با هم آشنا شده بودند، به نظرم عجیب است اگر جوآن قبلاً با او آشنا نشده باشد و وقتی تام کارش با جوآن تمام شده باشد، به دنبالش نرفته باشد.

من واقعاً امیدوارم جون دوباره خودش را وارد ماجرا کند، کندیس و تام خیلی منزوی هستند، او تنها راهی است که ما می‌توانیم چیزی بفهمیم.

در مورد کندیس و تام، اگر از ماه آوریل با هم خوابیده باشند، یعنی ۷ ماه است که با هم هستند، در واقع مدت زمان خیلی زیادی است، در مورد اینکه آیا این موضوع جدی است یا نه، فکر می‌کنم کندیس از رابطه جنسی اتفاقی با مردان لذت می‌برد، همانطور که ماه‌ها با هری استایلز انجام می‌داد، فکر می‌کنم او قبلاً در مصاحبه‌ای گفته بود که عاشق رابطه جنسی است.

فکر می‌کنم وقتی سر کار نیست، احتمالاً تام تنها کسی است که با او وقت می‌گذراند، وقتی بچه‌هایش مدرسه هستند، تمام روز را با او می‌گذراند، احتمالاً روز را با تام و بعدازظهرها و شب‌ها را با بچه‌هایش می‌گذراند.

بنابراین فکر می‌کنم رابطه‌شان واقعاً جدی است، هرچند درک می‌کنم که چرا مردم او را به خاطر او دوست ندارند، همچنین کمی ناراحتم که او با مردی است که با کلی زن رابطه دارد، همچنین به همین دلیل از بودن او با هری استایلز خوشم نیامد، اما شاید او با این موضوع مشکلی ندارد، شاید چیز جدی نمی‌خواهد، شاید فقط با رابطه جنسی معمولی خوب است.

Maybe that’s why she got breast implants

2 hours ago, summerc said:

I'm not sure why you're intent on believing the absolute worst of Candice, and the absolute best of Joan. Even regarding the Kanye West rumors, you created a conspiracy that Candice must have been lying to her Dad, or her Dad must have been lying for her—it seems the only time you're willing to take something at face value is when it's negative for Candice. I'm also not sure why you've concluded Joan introduced Candice and Tom? Joan has never implied it, nor have the tabloids. Candice and Tom both live in Miami, they're both rich, I'm sure they have mutual friends outside of Joan.

With this latest Page Six reporting, it's starting to feel like Joan is self-inserting herself back into the drama. Is she upset because the attention was no longer on her? Is this feud the only thing she has going for her? I understand she hasn't had this much media attention or been very relevant in years, but she needs to move on. Telling their mutual friends to choose sides is high school, it's immature—and outside of Joan's immediate inner circle, I don't think it will fly with anyone else. I think most of us agree Candice is better off without Joan's inner circle 🤷‍♀️

I get the sense from Candice's PR statement that there's something she could reveal that wouldn't put Joan in the best light, but she's holding out of respect for their former friendship—and it lines up with Ali's stories shading Joan, and Candice's recent likes on Instagram. There are two sides to every story, and I doubt Joan's telling of events is the entire truth.

Anyway, whatever Candice and Tom's current involvement is, I doubt it will last much longer given the media attention. I also doubt the seriousness of it, period—Candice spending almost a week in Abu Dhabi now, doesn't exactly seem like the actions of a woman trying to keep an eye on Tom.

Another post Candice has liked recently:

If they are still involved I don’t think it will last longer because it’s just too much drama going on. Secondly, as it has been said, tom does not want to be tie down to one woman. What I believe is happening is that both tom and Candice are just having casual sex and not exclusive. For all we know she could also be sleeping with other men. If tom and Candice still have something it’s not going to last, this drama is getting out of control. Plus, the last thing tom wants is to have this affect the mental state of his two younger kids. The marriage ending affected them, the roast he did also affected them from what he said and he did not like that. He wants peace which he ain’t going to be having with Joan bringing this up nonstop lbvs.

54 minutes ago, Westside said:

If they are still involved I don’t think it will last longer because it’s just too much drama going on. Secondly, as it has been said, tom does not want to be tie down to one woman. What I believe is happening is that both tom and Candice are just having casual sex and not exclusive. For all we know she could also be sleeping with other men. If tom and Candice still have something it’s not going to last, this drama is getting out of control. Plus, the last thing tom wants is to have this affect the mental state of his two younger kids. The marriage ending affected them, the roast he did also affected them from what he said and he did not like that. He wants peace which he ain’t going to be having with Joan bringing this up nonstop lbvs.

I don't think Candice cares about the drama, she's taking a page out of the Taylor Swift playbook, give them nothing, and they have nothing to talk about

As for not being tied down to one woman, that's hard to know, I think it's really weird that he was running around Europe partying and yachting for a bit in the summer if he was also seeing Candice

I think when he hooked up with Alix Earl, they probably had the, "what is this conversation," because it did probably just start off as casual sex, but if they kept going, I think it's probably serious now, I think they're in it for the long haul, which I ALSO THINK, she could do better, on Reddit everybody is saying she has bad taste in men, I kinda have to agree 🫠🫠🫠

I don't think Tom cares about what his kids think, I don't know much about Tom or his life or football career, but wasn't he criticized for putting football above his family, isn't that why Gisele divorced him, because he just did whatever he wanted instead of what she was asking of him

Also something we're not talking about, did Joan accuse Candice of using drugs? I know Candice is addicted to the vape, but I don't know what Joan meant by her comment, it was written very confusing

Also, I hope Joan is still in the fight, she posted this

3 hours ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I am actually a huge fan of Candice, but I don't think she is what everyone thinks she is, especially after this whole story is coming out

I don't think the Kanye / Candice of it all is a conspiracy, if you search their names together on Reddit, there is very compelling evidence from DeuxMoi

Joan seems to be the common denominator between Candice and Tom, which is why I think they were introduced by her, if Joan was seeing him on and off for almost a year, they probably met at some point I feel like, it would be weird if she hadn't already met him, and then went after him when he was done with Joan

I really do hope Joan is inserting herself back in the drama, Candice and Tom are too private, she's the only way we're gonna find anything out

As for Candice and Tom, if they've been sleeping together since April, they've been going for 7 months, that's actually a really long time, as for whether or not it's serious, I think Candice does like having casual sex with men, like she was doing with Harry Styles for months, I think she has said in an interview before that she loves sex

I think when she's not working, Tom is probably the only person she hangs out with, she has all day to spend with him when her kids are at school, she probably spends the day with Tom and afternoons and nights with her kids

So I think their relationship is actually serious, I do understand though why people don't like him for her, I also feel kinda sad she's with a dude that's going around fucking tons of women, I also didn't like her being with Harry Styles for the same reason, but maybe she's fine with it, maybe she doesn't want something serious, maybe she's just good with casual sex

Sooner or later we will probably find out because of Joan. But it’s sad that Candice is distancing herself from all her friends because of a man, especially for a man that loves to sleep around. I mean the whole summer both were in different locations. Candice reps already gave a statement not confirming or denying anything with Tom. Just that Candice will not speak out of her respect for the friendship they once had. Yes, there’s two sides to every story but I feel no matter what, Candice will be affected more than tom and Joan. Everyone is just going to be congratulating tom on adding more VS models to his list. At the end this relationship if there’s still a relationship will not be worth it.

5 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Also something we're not talking about, did Joan accuse Candice of using drugs? I know Candice is addicted to the vape, but I don't know what Joan meant by her comment, it was written very confusing

Also, I hope Joan is still in the fight, she posted this

She didn’t name no names but alluded it might be Candice but not sure. At this point, they should just say what really happened. There’s more to this.

18 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

I don't think Candice cares about the drama, she's taking a page out of the Taylor Swift playbook, give them nothing, and they have nothing to talk about

As for not being tied down to one woman, that's hard to know, I think it's really weird that he was running around Europe partying and yachting for a bit in the summer if he was also seeing Candice

I think when he hooked up with Alix Earl, they probably had the, "what is this conversation," because it did probably just start off as casual sex, but if they kept going, I think it's probably serious now, I think they're in it for the long haul, which I ALSO THINK, she could do better, on Reddit everybody is saying she has bad taste in men, I kinda have to agree 🫠🫠🫠

I don't think Tom cares about what his kids think, I don't know much about Tom or his life or football career, but wasn't he criticized for putting football above his family, isn't that why Gisele divorced him, because he just did whatever he wanted instead of what she was asking of him

He gave a statement how the divorce and a roast he did affected his children. I still believe this is a casual sex thing only that’s why Candice does not seem to care. It seems both do what they want which might include sleeping around. We will have to see later on whether both tom and Candice are still together. But I have to be honest, fighting over a MAN that probably doesn’t give a shit about either Joan or Candice is embarrassing.

4 hours ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

Man, I feel like Candice did Joan dirty af, also, I feel like PR is trying to spin this, "set up by mutual friends" SHE KNEW HIM THROUGH JOAN LMAO WTF

Ultimately, the key to all of this is whether it's really true that, during whatever relationship Joan had with Brady, Candice was pressuring and manipulating her to break up with Brady. If that's true, there's no way it isn't a really dirty move on Candice's part.

If she didn’t intervene, well, I guess it comes down to each person’s own code of friendship. Even without Candice getting involved, some of us believe you shouldn’t date a friend’s ex, especially when it’s so recent. But if she did push Joan to break up with Brady so she could start dating him? That would be unquestionably evil on Candice’s part, it sounds like the plot of a soap opera where Candice is the villain lol.

30 minutes ago, ItalianMuffinMaker said:

یه چیزی هم هست که بحثش جداست، آیا جوآن کندیس رو به مصرف مواد مخدر متهم کرده؟ می‌دونم کندیس به سیگار الکترونیکی معتاده، اما نمی‌دونم منظور جوآن از حرفش چی بوده، خیلی گیج‌کننده نوشته شده بود.

همچنین، امیدوارم جوآن هنوز در مبارزه باشد، او این را پست کرد

Joan stated that the "illegal drugs" might actually be steroid hormones, rather than narcotics. Candice previously used marijuana, which is legal.

47 minutes ago, Westside said:

Sooner or later we will probably find out because of Joan. But it’s sad that Candice is distancing herself from all her friends because of a man, especially for a man that loves to sleep around. I mean the whole summer both were in different locations. Candice reps already gave a statement not confirming or denying anything with Tom. Just that Candice will not speak out of her respect for the friendship they once had. Yes, there’s two sides to every story but I feel no matter what, Candice will be affected more than tom and Joan. Everyone is just going to be congratulating tom on adding more VS models to his list. At the end this relationship if there’s still a relationship will not be worth it.

She didn’t name no names but alluded it might be Candice but not sure. At this point, they should just say what really happened. There’s more to this.

38 minutes ago, Westside said:

He gave a statement how the divorce and a roast he did affected his children. I still believe this is a casual sex thing only that’s why Candice does not seem to care. It seems both do what they want which might include sleeping around. We will have to see later on whether both tom and Candice are still together. But I have to be honest, fighting over a MAN that probably doesn’t give a shit about either Joan or Candice is embarrassing.

32 minutes ago, Csalir said:

Ultimately, the key to all of this is whether it's really true that, during whatever relationship Joan had with Brady, Candice was pressuring and manipulating her to break up with Brady. If that's true, there's no way it isn't a really dirty move on Candice's part.

If she didn’t intervene, well, I guess it comes down to each person’s own code of friendship. Even without Candice getting involved, some of us believe you shouldn’t date a friend’s ex, especially when it’s so recent. But if she did push Joan to break up with Brady so she could start dating him? That would be unquestionably evil on Candice’s part, it sounds like the plot of a soap opera where Candice is the villain lol.

Yeah, it really is sad she gave up her friendship with Joan, for a guy that sleeps around, I think that is a really crazy choice, which also makes me think she's really serious about being with him, you don't sacrifice so much, unless you want something really bad

Also, if she was in Baker's Bay, she at least spent some of her summer with Tom Brady

I hate that Joan is being so cryptic, like GIRL, USE YOUR WORDS, COME ON, JUST SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY 🙃

I agree fighting over a man is embarassing, any man, especially this man who screws around so much, and was sleeping with your FRIEND, ON AND OFF FOR A YEAR, that's so crazy to me

I agree, if she pushed Joan to break up with him so she could have him herself, is super evil, if she didn't and just swooped in after the fact, that's also pretty bad, not to consider your friends feelings

We have so little information it's driving me bananas

I HOPE DEUXMOI TALKS ABOUT THIS ON HER PODCAST 😭 but the way things are going, I don't think she'll have any good information, these are all very private people