dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I wonder what all ya'll think about religion talking about science even before man knew there was such a thing as science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnaBBarrosFan Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 I wonder what all ya'll think about religion talking about science even before man knew there was such a thing as science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 There was always codified knowledge centuries (eg. the Egyptians and the Chinese civilizations) before the mainstream holy books were written, preserved or messiahs walked the earth..., and on a related subject, I remember sitting in a conversation with a Christian biologist years ago and inquiry came up: "How do you apply your religion to what you know in your profession?" The biologist gave an answer like this- he had to confabulate the fundamentalist word and carry over the mistakes to the men who made revisions to the holy books and not to God & his earlier messengers. So his faith in Christianity was greatly revised.Confabulating is a very apt descriptor for behavior of the religious today- like a hard core political ideologue, they have to constantly filter, ignore, and change information and experiences of their daily lives periodically in order to sustain their faith while the sheer weight of leading-edged civilized evidence weighs against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnaBBarrosFan Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 There was always codified knowledge centuries (eg. the Egyptians and the Chinese civilizations) before the mainstream holy books were written, preserved or messiahs walked the earth..., and on a related subject, I remember sitting in a conversation with a Christian biologist years ago and inquiry came up: "How do you apply your religion to what you know in your profession?" The biologist gave an answer like this- he had to confabulate the fundamentalist word and carry over the mistakes to the men who made revisions to the holy books and not to God & his earlier messengers. So his faith in Christianity was greatly revised.Confabulating is a very apt descriptor for behavior of the religious today- like a hard core political ideologue, they have to constantly filter, ignore, and change information and experiences of their daily lives periodically in order to sustain their faith while the sheer weight of leading-edged civilized evidence weighs against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I wonder what all ya'll think about religion talking about science even before man knew there was such a thing as sciencehttp://skepticsannot...ience/long.htmlOh yeah, awesome science in the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 You sound like the type of person who likes to hear themselves speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 You sound like the type of person who likes to hear themselves speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 He sounds like one of the few people on here who want a discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 He sounds like one of the few people on here who want a discussion here's a hint: As for the childhood developmental stage, the Twitter/ipad/facebook generation was before my time We wrote page-long e-mail letters/physical letters or had 2 hour long phone conversations. It's interesting, I was actually talking about this issue in private- why on earth do people post one sentence brain-farts on the internet these days? They get scrolled over and ignored. What happened to the real conversations? Instead of making 10 posts a day, why not write two good posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 My goodness! A deflection!It was not directed towards you or this thread, but to internet in general...that's why I stick to BZ although the twitter bug has caught on here as well. There's more value here vs. TFS. One sentence, four word responses have become the norm in internet and work communication. I blame the phones, but having to scroll of posting brain fart after brain fart gets tiring. There's too much vagueness involved, and I don't translate my thoughts into 'catch phrases'. People don't have real conversations anymore, it's too bad.Because people are stupid. Because when they tell you 'that's my opinion' they mean 'my opinion is the fact and the only one that matters'. Because people are too lazy that they refuse to use their brains so they let other do the thinking for them. Because people think they don't need to understand anything that they'll follow suit so long as the heading says science or religion. Because people don't want to grasp the idea that they could be wrong. Because they are drowning in so much ignorance and denial. Because they already made up their minds. Yes, people give one-word responses because they're stupid and narrow minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It was not directed towards you or this thread, but to internet in general...that's why I stick to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hmmph, I see what you think. It's good to stimulate debate and exchanges though- if one rarely does so then I certainly feel that they are doing a disservice to themselves. It shouldn't involve the 'ego', and that is not the way to the path of higher knowledge. And it need not have to be an argument- but rather an exchange of pointed opinions over topics of interest, and the introduction of evidence that can direct somebody otherwise towards the existence of an alternate point of view. Now that's a sign of mutually profitable conversation, and respectful reciprocity. I perfectly understood you. And I wasn't specifically talking about BZ. That's how I sincerely see it. People don't want to talk because they think there's nothing to talk about. That what they know is right and good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SympathysSilhouette Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The type of God image does not really matter if the notion I was trying to refute was the use of string theory to disprove theism.As for the science vs. religion debate, you could do what some Christians have been able to since (at least) the second century AD: read much of scripture allegorically.Specifically (in a discussion about the origin of life and the universe): Genesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hmmph, I see what you think. It's good to stimulate debate and exchanges though- if one rarely does so then I certainly feel that they are doing a disservice to themselves. It shouldn't involve the 'ego', and that is not the way to the path of higher knowledge. And it need not have to be an argument- but rather an exchange of pointed opinions over topics of interest, and the introduction of evidence that can direct somebody otherwise towards the existence of an alternate point of view. Now that's a sign of mutually profitable conversation, and respectful reciprocity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamss Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090203142254AAFc5iT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror's Venus Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Faith is simply faith. IF god(s) exist, there will never be solid proof. I thought the whole purpose of many belief systems and religions was to have faith in a being(s) larger than yourself without real evidence.Some people think a baby being born or some shit like that is proof of God, whatever. You do you.But to say people who don't believe in God are ignorant or simply "in the dark" is fucking idiotic. I honestly don't give a shit if there is or isn't a God. AND if by some fucking weird circumstance there is one, he/she is a fucking douche. Apparently God helps some people in the world "discover" science or help them pass tests but BABY CANCER still exists. Kids are getting raped by automatic weapons in Africa by assholes. If there is a God, I still wouldn't give three shits about him/her. I would rather rot in the fiery pits of hell being torn apart by hell hounds than bask in the glory that is God.But hey, maybe if I read the right chapters in the Bible, I will finally get that Hermes bag I have my eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cult Icon Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Speak of the devil and it shall appear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror's Venus Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Man.... If only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 But to say people who don't believe in God are ignorant or simply "in the dark" is fucking idiotic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkCouture Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 So let me get this straight, God gives "good" people Hermes and the Devil wears Prada...Ok, understood it! (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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