Souled-Out

I agree but I don't think they can afford that neither.

Nope, not even them can make me like VS V-day lol. I don't even understand why people anticipated it lol. Its never been good for me... I do wish we got some VS Swim action. Is it not possible that VS just stop the V-day campaigns. And just do a little small VS swim thing. I know Candice already has her own swim line out now, but still. I prefer campaigns VS actually knew how to greatly lol

I have never liked VS' VDay campaigns. But yeah, this one is the worst.

No new development has been happening because she hasn't been working. Which was one of the reasons why her ig post issue keeps coming up, maybe because of it she isn't working alot anymore. That post is one of the main issues people have about her now anyways. Its the biggest game changer. It was the reason why some people don't feel the same about her.It was done in bad taste and it could affect things (good or bad). We, because I am not the only one, are going to talk about it alot. We are allowed to. She put it out in the public, its gonna happen. especially since not much else has happened with her. Especially since its linked to more than just her career. We know what else that post was linked to. So yeah, its gonna come up alot. I explained why I talked about this and why its bothersome. Trying to be nice, even though you just don't deserve it at this point. No need to point it out as if I don't know it. The post is related to alot of recent things about her, its gonna be brought up often. And I said, following wasn't personal before I said we/I didn't know don't know her anymore. I don't know her anymore and she unpredictable is all I say now. But that still doesn't mean that other people won't think following meant something.

K.

You don't know what she meant, because she still never clarified what she did. All we know is, she was talking about a JOB. A job that came from the industry that indeed fed her. A job she clearly had done before. A job that put money in her pocket. A job that added on to career. Yeah, I am going to say it fed her. If not her, somebody in her family. A job other people still have to do because they haven't gotten all Adriana did from doing jobs like that yet, only for her to dismiss it after 20 years and look at it as "empty" A job she defended just 5 months before that. Its hard to look at someone normal after that and after all this other shit. I didn't say she DID slam models. You're making fake news by trying to twist what I meant. My point was people may perceive that she was. Some people thought she did. I said the word "seemingly" and "unintentionally". What does those words tell you? That she didn't actually do that, but some people took it as that. So you can stop saying I said she did. Some people thought this, especially after she unfollowed alot of models that day and they happened to be models who clearly do/post the work she was talking about. Alot of people drew that conclusion, especially since said her beef wasn't with VS itself. Some people are going to think she was being shady when she does all of that. I saw it with my own eyes, some people think that. Like I said, I am talking about what her post and actions could have and did look like in other's eyes. I will not repeat this to you again. BTW we are talking about her career now. Thats all that maters, don't deflect. Again, me and other people, simply do not and cannot feel the same way as you. Thats the bottom line. I don't care how mad you are about it. I can feel what I want to feel, and if its associated with Adriana, I am going to say it too.

That PR statement she had to release to deny that she wasn't talking about VS and saying she was grateful to them, wasn't fake news. And its obvious she was slamming a part of the industry, one she worked for, she just never named it. But it was to directed to something. I am talking about how the things she has said and done may look to other people. Because not everybody saw that post the same, and everyone here knows that. The same person telling "stop it with the fake news" its the same person that called that post she made "dumb". You thought it was dumb for a reason. So you know what my real point is. Alot of people saw what she said as bad, hypocritical and ungrateful. She had to say she was grateful in the PR statement for a reason. Her losing followers after her last negative non-inspiring post is not "fake news" neither. I don't lie here, and I wouldn't lie about that @Corner I don't know about huge models, as I said before, they are models who clearly liked her and always followed her until her post. Julianna herz is one, she just started for SI. And there is another I forgot her name, she is getting popular. I didn't expect for Jourdan to ignore her. What Adriana said wasn't bad objectively. It rubs you the wrong way if you actually followed how she has been lately. I doubt jourdan has. Also, I am discussing my own thoughts, observations, and feelings, about all this. I understand some of you all are still, trying to support her really hard and all that. And I respect that, but I don't share the same exact view.Like I said before, I am bothered by it because the only model I looked up to disappointed me. Adriana is the first and mainly the only person, I had ever been a big fan of. So this is taking me time to get over, and clearly I am not the only one. So, if I don't see something the same way and feel the same way, I just don't. I can talk about it here, it deals alot about her career, and because thats what this section is for anyway. Anybody that feels the opposite,I respect that. You can say it like @emerald7 and I will still respect that and I won't tell you to stop, just because I don't feel the same. So, please do the same Its hard to see things in a positive way when literally everything has been negative. Her activity for modelling has been a negative. I am not gonna get specific but her personal life, is a negative I think, her last post confirms it. Her last post itself was negative. Those follower counts are in the negatives lol. Everything has been negative, so when there is a discussion its gonna be negative right now. I mean, there is literally nothing to look up to, nothing to be happy about. Literally nothing. And this is coming from an optimist, I have nothing this time around. But I am trying to remain a fan atleast.

+1. I think what you said, makes it easier right now to talk about this in the context of just her. At this point we have no choice but to say in the end its her life, her chances, her fault. Nobody is putting a gun to her head and telling her to be this way. That's another reason why her comment to jourdan was off-putting. Saying, quote " It’s time for us to make that change, and show the world that Beauty it starts from within". It's like, Adriana, you already did that, years ago. But what makes it even more ironic is that she is now putting a stop to it. Actions speak louder than words, Adriana did also preach about inner beauty in the past, yes. But what validated it the things she did. From Charities she worked with to acts of kindness to fans/people. Remember when she gave a little girl a necklace off of her own neck, the same day she got it ? (skip to 4:55) 4 This is why it makes me so bitter as a fan to realize, I may not like her anymore. Because I remember her as this person. And its not just me, on IG, I have seen models who idolized her having to unfollow her after it seemed like she bit the hands that feed her and unintentionally threw shade/shame at the kind of work they still do (that she once did herself). Calling it empty. Some models may have liked it but I can see why other models would be offended. Especially since she unfollowed alot of models after saying that. That was just bad taste to do all at once. She looked like a bad person. And people have been calling her names they NEVER did, after she did that. Her own mom didn't like that post. That wasn't inspiration for some people. Its not inspirational to look ungrateful and seemingly shame other women who still did the work you once did. Its not inspiration nor is it empowering posting things like this I don't care if she thinks fans like us, are just being silly or we are just being mean/hateful. We aren't, it hurts like hell to be this disappointed. Like I said, the fact that she lost followers after this^ shows that general people are catching on to the bad vibes she has been giving and sending, not just "super fans"

She was though. Working with St.Luke and that boxing place for kids in Brazil. She used to work with those orphanages and other things she has done. It's just that recently we haven't seen her do or talk about any of that anymore. But are we really surprised that NOW she isn't doing this? I agree, all she seems to do now is rant/ramble against her job or about someone in her life who makes her unhappy. I think thats why she lost alot of followers (and probably fans) after posting that quote, all she has done lately is complain and come off as miserable instead of empowering, nobody wants to see that from somebody as fortunate as her. Nobody wants to see that when they aren't used to from her. I am sure whatever is making her miserable is actually removable from her life. If she doesn't make that choice to put an end to it, then that's her fault. Whether its a person or her job, she can do something about it. She shouldn't throw all the negative energy out there to others, because its going to do nothing but come back to her. I sadly agree basically.Except, if Adriana just wants to RETIRE. Thats fine. Nobody can make her continue to work. The problem is how she handles it. She should just do it. Make an announcement or something. Leave with Grace and warning. Be professional. Its the right thing to do. She shouldn't just allow herself to decline. Nor should she start playing games with the industry: one day she wants to leave, another day she doesn't. That just isn't fair to the people she works with and for. I never thought I would see the day where Adriana comes off as so unambitious, ungrateful (despite her claiming that she is in a late PR statement), and honestly miserable. That's never been her. Like you said the regression is amazing, she spent her earlier years coming off as a by far better person, doing and focusing on the right things. She waits until she is almost 40 to undo all of that. To let her personal demons and relationships take over areas of her life that they shouldn't. But we shouldn't be surprised at this point, we already concluded that something caused a negative switch. Its just a shame.

So what do you think it is? You think she no longer has the ambition to continue her job anymore? Obviously I can see that too.With the way she has been acting and saying towards anything that has to do with her job (The VS fashion Show Last year, Fashion Week, Social media, even staying fit like she usually does for her job. She only worked out before going to Berlin, but you can still tell she gained weight and lost muscle) she has been acting unusual towards everything.We can fairly conclude she is not the happiest right now, so that could be affecting her, slowing her down indirectly. But we have to be honest and say since around November is when it really started. In the start of December she was better. Then in the middle of December, she caught the world off guard, and then towards the end of the December to now it has gotten worse. I just want to know if she realizes all this or not? Like does she not see how she has come across? Does she not have a clue how all of this looks in other's eyes, thats not her own. Has she even attempted to see that, has anyone attempted to tell her? Because its important when you are a public figure. I wonder if she knows this but brushes it off. Or does she just not realize Even members who defended her alot here said something about her is now rubbing them the wrong way. That's why I still consider: maybe her career has been like this because some people in the industry could be turned off by her now. For Adriana her personality and who she was on the inside, was everything. Its what people in the industry highlight. It was always apart of her charm. Its funny seeing what she said to jourdan, as if her inner beauty never got credit. It has, always does. Her fans always talked about how they loved her inner beauty. So has VS and designers like Marc Jacobs. Adriana already is a model who had proven her inner beauty. So IDK what "change" she is talking about, maybe with Jourdan its different but who Adriana was on the inside has always been known and you can tell it helped her. But she has slowly been tarnishing that reputation because she has been different If she is gonna do this,I hope she is atleast spending that time trying to actually focus on making herself great.I saw last week, she has been liking and looking into stuff about self love. And I guess thats what she was trying to do while her She had space. But, it takes more than 2 weeks alone, to regain self love and getting better. It also takes more than 2 months (she stayed married to herself for just a month or two). Anyways, I am dwindling back into her personal life sorry, I just can't help but feel like her professional and personal life are clashing alot right now

About her career, thats what we mentioned on the last page. For one, she is at the age where her career starts to slow down. However, I personally do think Adriana herself is making this process quicker, not just her age. I think she has the ability to keep going just a little more.... I agree, it feels like so far she is taking two steps back in her career and her personal life(judging how upset and angst she comes across right now). I understood it later year because 1. VS asked her to work for them more than usual last year. We all know, when VS starts calling, everything ends up on hold. 2. She had that new show, she had to film it and then promote it. So, last year, I understood why she didn't do as well career wise. But Right now...She is contracted with maybelline so ofc there was that one event. But VS hasn't asked her to do anything. The show hasn't started season 2 yet. She has been home more. There is no reason for her not to be working more. I am not sure if its the industry itself that is slowing down on her now, or did her IG post affect her, or if its her own personal life and feelings getting in the way. Because like you said, it seems her professional life and personal life is in the same state, they are starting to intertwine (which is why alot of fans talk about her, beyond her career now). Like, take in what she said in her ig post AND the comment she wrote to jourdan. It seems like for whatever reason Adriana is uncertain with her career as a model now and herself. I also agree its like she is in a life crisis. We know SOMEBODY has attempted to guide her, but to be honest, every since they came in, that's when all this negative stuff happened. But, i'm trying to leave that alone! But anyways, She clearly isn't happy. She isn't looking happy. She isn't doing anything (from what we can see). I don't know whats wrong with her, but something is. But its not only the industry that doesn't wait for anybody, LIFE doesn't. Her career is not the only thing that she is potentially ruining sadly. Like I said before, her mental health and her family are other factors. she should save and reclaim all those aspects in her life while she still can before time, her life and her career pass her by...These things can all pass her by IDK what she has going on and what exactly is causing her to be this way but its really starting to take over. Its even hard just still trying to be a fan of her and support her like we usually do these days. This is why I found her IG post, about being pushed not to give a damn,very ironic. Alot of her fans feel like that right now, thats why I said as much as we want to care and worry for her, it seems like she doesn't herself, so that's makes fans feel like we shouldn't neither and we have to sit back and shake our heads. But we know regardless of how she is being, we know we actually should be concerned. Because we can all see that something isn't right as of now. However, we aren't her, she has to do the things to improve her life and her mood. All we can do is hope and pray

And real meaning of destruction also, the most important to realize out of all

Well, she just doesn't only "look" unhappy now. It looks like she also feels it too. We have been hearing stories from people who met her recently about how nice she has been to them and all. But thats honestly probably just her, not taking out her own personal feelings on other people. She probably knows that the fans and strangers she meet doesn't deserve her taking out anything on them. After all she is Brazilian, have you ever met a depressed/non-joyousness brazilian? Its in their nature I think to try to come off warm and happy when they meet people, but it doesn't mean they aren't capable of feeling upset or not happy. I'll stick by my assumption that something is wrong with her. Only god knows whom or what that post was about.

I explained why I haven't been coming off as nice. But K.

I don't appreciate always having to explain something to you, especially when I am trying not to talk about it anymore and I stated that I am trying. I am not getting enjoyment out of any of this, believe it or not.If I am coming off rude, that's why. So i'd rather you not understand because I am a Sagittarius (its hard for me to shut up once someone gets me going) everything about this upsets and disappoints me as as fan, as well as others, so its another reason why you see others talking about it alot.Or why our change of tone changed around here. I haven't said half of the things I really wanted to say to be honest. That's just me/some of us/whoever you are specifically talking to. If you're not like that, thats fine.

The last three pages in her General discussion section included discussions about her career, but OK. lets pretend like it didn't. literally the whole reason why people so many people started to dislike him so much was because they think her relationship with him has spilled over into her career as well as other aspects of her that deals with how her fans feel about her as a person. Even the media has made that correlation. Hell, even he admitted to that. All of this has already been explained here. You don't have to understand it and if you are that sick and tired of it, you may want to stop talking about it yourself.

All we have done here is state our observations and opinions, there isn't a goal behind doing that. This is a forum. We are allowed to use it in the way its meant for. Its where you go to discuss and share things related to her, especially her career. Which this stuff is

I didn't realize you said this because I didn't read your whole message. But lets get this straight, they were TURKISH fans and TURKISH people who did that. Below I was able to post the turkish fan screen shot of Adriana checking his profile, ironically after I posted it here. The person went private but I am not lying, this was the turkish fan https://www.instagram.com/lizrosagallica/ You know how those turkish fans do with Adriana. Non-turkish fans here and regular social media fans don't use special apps to see what she is doing. We see who she follows/unfollow and what she likes because IG just gives that to you, its apart of IG, and that's as far as we will go. And you know what has sparked turkish people to do this, because metin himself is turkish. They are digging that deep in her SM to see if she had been looking at metin's profile. Thats what the photos below show, her looking at his profile (they are no longer below because after I wrote this, the user went private but the photos from the app had been up a week). Anyways, it happened and they did this to adriana on the same week he chose to open up his mouth again about her. Don't rant to us, like its our fault that her boyfriend keeps opening a can of worms.Thats the whole reason we were bothered by him constantly talking to the press about her or doing stuff that he knows will catch media attention and draw people to their relationship even more. And he only did this because of breakup rumors and Adriana noticeably wasn't following him back. Combine all of that, people from turkey are going to stalk adriana like this. Every since those breakup rumors Metin himself wasn't allowing for privacy at all. He has been doing the opposite, he keeps leaving cryptic messages to the media about the state of their relationship, which will spark people, turkish media, and turkish people to dig into their relationship and social media activity. He knows this.People here have been saying this the whole time.The only reason why us non-turkish fans know this is because it was in her tagged photos, she's tagged. I didn't even show this until now, and I never did before for a reason. I don't agree with how far these people went neither with the apps and what not. But the whole reason this is happening is because metin was so determined to prove they didn't break up and everything is so good despite not following each other. His sneaky IG activity and talking to the press has lead them to stalk her hard. Adriana isn't going to get privacy from her relationship, as long as her boyfriend refuses to allow for her to have privacy. The privacy isn't going to be there when he keeps talking to the press about her and stuff like that. People here have been saying this for weeks, so don't rant towards us about it, we knew Adriana wasn't going to get privacy after that

I will say, it looks like Lais was also in Paris for just one day... That doesn't really help with seeing Adriana remaining in a toxic relationship. But it helps in figuring out the "bonjour" stuff. Lais did the same thing and stayed just as long as Adriana..

She wasn’t always unpredictable. Adriana has said and done things that have surprised so many people since the being with him and this is one of those things. Calling this specific “ discreet” and “ private” is being nice

She also said something about work on that same day. Which is one of the plenty of reasons I am disappointed in her. We don't know for sure but I feel like she purposely deceived people. MAYBE she did do some work on that ONE day. But it honestly seems like she was traveling and she just wanted people to think something else. Like how she has been viewing his profile even though she isn't following him (a turkish fan had used some app and somehow they are able to see her looking at his ig stories and stuff) and that time she liked his post he made and then quickly unliked it. I think she must be aware of how much her fans and honestly everybody else is looking at her badly because of her relationship with metin and how she continues to be in a toxic relationship. I think she has been purposely trying to be more private and discreet because she knows nobody except for his family really likes her being with him and she knows her fans and even her ex- sister in law have good reasons for feeling this way about him. Hell, she felt the same way at one point. I could be wrong about the motive of why she posted that IG selfie and why she also posted an IG story about work even though she went to turkey instead. But to me, it seems like it was one of the many ways she has tried to draw less attention to her relationship with him. Thing is, she shouldn't have to do that. She shouldn't have to fake/pretend like their relationship is at one stage when its really at another. She is tip toeing around about it. If you have to ALL OF A SUDDEN start tipping toeing around your relationship with someone (she wasn't before), that means you shouldn't even be with them. But whatever, NOBODY can make adriana clever about her decisions. Nobody can make her do whats actually right for herself, her children, and career. She remains an unpredictable person with Metin. And we really don't know who she is anymore. I mean people are still saying she is so nice and so kind. So we know that much, but when will adriana choose to be wise over kind? Sometimes, you gotta be smart and considerate about your own self, or atleast her family before just constantly forgiving or brushing off the bad and suspicious things that someone has done.

^ Those are the last times you will see me expressing concern for Adriana over all of this. And I hope other fans who have, follow suit. I will remain scared for her kids because they are just kids and I know about the horrible things that Joe ended up saying about them after he and adriana broke up (not surprisingly because we also predicted something was not right about him), and how obviously either metin or someone in his family/friends made a page trying to blast their aunt and make adriana dislike her But As far as Adriana herself goes with all of this No matter what, we should continue to make effort to being mute about him and honestly them. And even if we find something else concerning that he/his family did, like when he liked that comment about changing her. Or when him/someone in his family created that page against tamera, the fans who noticed that and were scrambling trying to make sure she knew because we thought it was important for her to know, don't try that again. Because Adriana is someone who has this logic: She liked this yesterday, it was written by I believe someone who is in his family, it translates to "Don't judge someone because of your past everybody is different". What that really says is no matter what happened to you, never learn the lesson and don't make someone work to prove things to you. She clearly also has the logic of pressing "rewind" on things in her life that should have been "deleted" (like she did those photos of him). Lets be honest, Adriana is too grown for that. Too grown to be naive to think all the multiple bad things that happened in her relationships, just happened. Too grown to think she shouldn't use those bad things as examples and be more careful. She is never careful. The older she gets the more reckless she becomes with dating. Proof of that was the Matt situation. You can't be that way when you have kids and stuff, You do have to have a guard, if not for yourself, atleast people around you Adriana has alot at risk with this: her mental health, her kids (they have their own dad, they don't need to be around mommy's bf. The last time she did that he said horrible things about them to other people after Adriana broke up with him), her career, friendships and other relationships. However, she isn't acting like it, so I can't continue to worry about someone who refuse to worry about themselves. The last time I will be talking about metin, them as a couple, and be concerned for her. I will still pray for her and her kids because thats just the right thing to do but thats literally it.

Looks like you have to start praying for those kids right now. They already literally looked uncomfortable around him, well Sienna did

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I agree and this is not me/us being selfish fans. We aren't saying this because we'd be angry if she made the decision to retire soon. If Adriana herself and only herself doesn't actually care as much for her career, then I respect that and accept it. If her career ended today, I would be very proud of her (I already am). Like Sophie said, Adriana has had a great career (it can be even better because why limit her? lol), but its iconic already. But since she had to have a statement released clarifying her IG post, I doubt she wants her career to stop right now, and she didn't realize what her statements/action may look like to some people. Its about her unconsciously leading her career in a direction she didn't mean for it to go