Souled-Out

Thats not weird. VS hasn't been doing much themselves. People have been complaining about that in the official thread. They have been working on things that the old angels aren't usually apart of. And Adriana went a whole year without doing anything for them before. And tbh VS is just using certain New angels. Alessandra went like 2 years without having to do anything. And they have only shot for V-day and some beach stuff. Typically Adriana only got used for VSX. I think her and Ale got that campaign last year because it was ale's last year and they already posted alot for it. But VS hasn't been doing too much themselves anyway and they have only worked with certain angels.

I think the timing of his post is ironic. He has been there for almost two weeks. And he actually never posted Adriana. Yes, he showed her dog and miami. Ofcourse. But he finally stopped sneaking photos of Adriana. Then his followers slip very noticeably and thats when he does it. Thats why I said it was ironic, because I could be wrong but the timing was suspect, he has been there too long. Well, she never posted at such a slow rate when posting such a quote. Like when she'd post something like that, the next day its a photo or something. She hasn't posted on her feed in a week and thats the first thing people see. I can't say when was the last time she posted such a quote and just left it there for that long lol. If it was an empowering and encouraging quote, it would have been ok. But some mean quote is the first thing someone see's on a profile? Thats gonna turn people away because its not inviting nor positive. As I said before, its not just one thing. Its not just the one quote. I think its all of this together. Its not just one thing, which is always my point. Its a combination of actions and whats causing them.

I mean... I wouldn't be surprised at this point if something was up. I wouldn't be surprised if she is coming off as too OC. That would be sad though because Adriana knew Russell since 1999. Then again, She has been in the industry and had her fans around since that time too and look how she has been towards it/them. On the other hand, Adriana hasn't been doing anything. She hasn't really went anywhere. Nobody is talking about her because there is nothing to talk about. Thats how we end up talking about what we have, because there is literally nothing to talk about but that. I doubt anybody else has even seen her. She still follows him so I doubt something happened. I just wouldn't be surprised if he was looking at her side ways too. I feel like alot of people are but nobody is saying anything because her family members pretty much admitted she hates that. Which is bad, you don't punish people when they are trying to help you and are being concerned. I could be wrong but I think that's what she does. Someone saying something she doesn't like, even if its to look out for her, and she gets more upset than she should I think maybe her co-workers also know how they have to handle her and are trying to be nice about her. I know her fellow angels are probably forcing themselves to be such good sports. I know the only reason Candice has not unfollowed her back yet, as well as all the other angels, is because its her and they don't want to add drama. (I remember Nick J unfollowed candice and she unfollowed his ass right on back lol). But kudos to them for being smart about it I think her and Russ is still cool. I just have a feeling that alot of people are looking at her side ways right now, who wouldn't at this point? Maybe thats why she is at home so much, because nothing is coming in. Some people here keep trying to dismiss this as something little and will pass, but I really do think Adriana is doing herself and career some damage

He also lost followers, he went from 242 K to 241 K today. And how IRONIC he chose to post a photo of her today after he lost so many followers? How convenient she is starting to decline and he is still around? In the past usually her inactivity didn't cause her to lose so much. But like I said, given how she has been lately, I am sure people are rubbed the wrong way by her lately. And some people may also chose to neglect her because she is neglecting them. Adriana is forever a reflection and female copy of who she dates. This time around, alot of people don't like her boyfriend. So do the math on what that means for her now... She is going to let him lead her into a full on decline. Meanwhile, when he notices his own loss, he makes sure to use her to build back up his following.

She will probably end up going back to 11.5 million because she isn't posting anything on her feed and her last post just wasn't good.

Another one Those recent pics with gene simmons gave me painful nostalgia because thats how she did her hair at the 2001 VSFS

@fieldofoptics We, well I know I atleast, try my hardest now not to talk about metin now because he made it very obvious by his pass actions that he indeed looks on here (Deleting a comment that he liked, that implied something bad about Adriana but complimented him, only after someone posted the screen shot here that he liked the comment, and the comment had been up for 20 hours according to the screen shot. He didn't delete it until it was posted here and we all clearly saw why that was a bad comment). Things like that happened multiple times. So, I am not sure why he feels the need to be on here? Is it because he is looking to see how much attention he gained? I ask this because clearly he is with Adriana, so he isn't on here to see what she is up to, he literally knows her. So, to me it looks like he gets on here to see if people are talking about him in regards to Adriana. I think that's a sign of attention seeking, personally. Seeing what attention has he gained. Because like I said, he doesn't need to check on here all the time. So, I'd rather not give him that attention anymore and more than likely that "power". Because he and maybe Adriana, are reading this and they may be upset sometimes, but they are also probably "laughing", especially him. Because at the end of the day no matter what we say or catch him doing he is still there. I am trying to avoid giving him that satisfaction as much as possible. I think thats why now so many more users here are starting to speak out way more negatively on Adriana. Because we are just trying to ignore him. That forces us to shift our focus back on just Adriana. So, that forces us to realize even more that these are all things Adriana allows to happen. A person can never just be this "blind". Adriana is aware of what she is doing. She may not be aware of how that translate to other people, but she isn't being forced. Don't get me wrong, I still don't care for Metin. I still think he has alot of influence on what's been going on now. I still think all the negative things started happening after she met him. I still feel sorry for her children, because Adriana is usually busy. Time with their mom is precious and not as abundant. But that time gets taken away because Metin just can't meet Adriana in Miami, Adriana has to stop and pick him up and then they both go to Miami. That's 15 hours taken away from her kids. Then when she gets home most of that time gets split because Metin is there and he stays there until he can't anymore because of work. So yeah, all of that and all of the other things associated with Metin, still rubs me the wrong way. But like I said before, nobody is forcing Adriana to go along with it all. She is just as accountable and that is something we weren't ready to admit. But at this point, we have no choice. I can't say Adriana doesn't care about/are against her fans right now, because she was just thanking them some days ago. But I do think its possible she wants people to be certain kinds of fans. Fans who won't talk about her relationship. Fans who won't criticize her and try to stay positive all the time. I used to be one of those. For years I was always the one to say "we shouldn't care about her bfs or relationship because thats the part of her life thats not our business. It is not why we are fans", thats why at the start, I never said anything bad about metin and I hated when others did. But as we all said, her relationship and personal life are colliding with her professional life. And we ARE fans of her because of her professional life (and her usual personality, both have changed, causing her fans to change). So now, we can't even ignore it anymore. And we can't help but to give criticism because so much negative and wrong things have been done. I know it sucks hearing people talk about her the way they have lately, but i'd hope she'd understand that just a little bit. Like I said before, the negative energy and doings that Adriana puts out into the world, will only come back at her. Any kind of energy or doings anyone puts out in the world (good or bad), only comes back at them. And that is my queue to shut up myself lol.

That's blurred. Posting fan art is nice. And its very helpful to the fan, they get promo. Its also fan art of herself lol. Adriana has also done that too. I will say that about her, she does love fan art of herself. She made somebody give them their fan art of her, to her (for free) lol, they were gonna sell it but showed it to her and she wanted it. She came to a fan's house once because of fan art lol, but she didn't take it, she signed it herself for them. I think she was willing to come over just to see it. I do think thats a form of narcissism too lol. Just mild. Unless Adriana or Candice have a thing for art With Candice I also know that when its a fans birthday and she ends up coming across that she tells them happy birthday. Thats really nice, that a real form of communication So I think its cool. But as @toodarnhot points out, not everybody gonna be as lucky. Because what about the fans you miss? What about the artist you never got to acknowledge? Because let me tell you, I know two different artists that Adriana supported on social media, just in different ways. Adriana commented under the first artist's pic and liked it and they made the decision to send it to her. But the other artist Adriana just re-posted his picture. The first Artist still got jealous because Adriana shared that to millions of people and the second artist may have gained more followers (narcissism) and ofcourse more people would comment about the work under her repost. And I rolled my eyes so hard at the first artist because its like, Adriana acknowledged you too, just differently. That's another reason why models/celebs are better off just sticking to acknowledging and appreciating things from fans/admirers/artist as a group.

oh my god. I dislike how much that meant to them but at the same time I feel bad for them lol. They were so sad lol I remember Adriana used to get blasted everywhere for it. All kinds of fan be like "Adriana never does this and that", she does but only like 5 times a year. She never follows fan accounts, she follows some fans on their personal accounts though. So that tells you she doesn't like looking at herself much. But Adriana is one of those who actually has made post thanking her fans collectively along with Gisele. I think Doutzen too. Its rare. Which is a shame

Exactly IDK if I should be surprised or not that most models do not have the same logic lol. But its weird that fans get upset by it more than anything.

YESS all of this. Same when models or celebs start following accounts made about them or looking at their tagged photos alot. I think thats the most overlooked thing. Fans actually look for that in models/celebs. They get offended when models don't do that as often as others, and its like, maybe because that model/celeb doesn't like looking at themselves all day? Maybe because the worship of them makes them uncomfortable. I have seen models who don't usually like photos of themselves by others cringe when people worship them to their face. It really is a narcissism thing. And the ones whose follower count/activity don't look suspicious and you don't catch them too often liking photos/comments about themselves are the least narcissistic. Its just mind blowing how people don't realize models/celebs who follow accounts about themselves, often fishing through their tag to see and like content of others worshiping them, and also making sure their feed is perfect for more likes and followers, are pretty damn narcissistic. Especially when they do all that, but they never make a post just thanking their fans LOL. They just give a pat on the back to the ones who they can see worshiping them individually. People should side-eye models like that instead of being offended when others chooses not to do that often. They'd rather just make a post every now and then for fans as a group or something, like what Gisele did at one point and some others

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Was she not posting often when it did or posting them quotes often again?It doesn't usually happen to her for no reason. If it was, people would have said something here. I have only seen people complain about her followers growing slow here now. If people will complain about slow gain here, they will complain about alot of loss. And people in the official VS thread go on there weekly with this and its been a long time since she actually lost that many. Sure she lost 1k followers but her daily average gain is just 1k. So she is losing as much as she gets

Yeah, I just looked at Ale's and its worse than Adriana's. However, its not unusual. This has been brought up in the official VS thread before, last year it was because they constantly count there. Thats how I know, Adriana isn't usually somebody who loses alot. I won't get into why people think it happens with Alessandra but it has happened before. Thats probably why her IG followers never grew as quick as Adriana's or others. IDK about miranda tbh. But others are doing fine

That happens to Ale often, like since last year. She loses followers frequently. Thing is, Adriana has never been like that. Her followers would grow at a slower pace before she just loses so many. I don't think it was coincidental that this is happening after the last thing she posted. People tended to hate those quote posts anyway, ya'll complained about them enough here lol. And lately alot of people have been thrown off by her, So I doubt this helped. If it was something in the system, then everybody would be experiencing it, not just a select few. IDK what miranda does, I don't follow her. But Ale tends to loses followers (some people that is related to how she get followers actually). But The last time Adriana lost alot of followers was when IG was doing a sweep for spam accounts, and everybody's follower count went down. Thats the only way you'd know if its something about the sites, if it happens to everyone. Its not happening to everyone.It happened to somebody who usually doesn't experience that and it does in the middle of all this.

I guess, that does make sense. Christmas, is Christmas, people shop. And when some people think about Valentine's day, they think about lingerie. But they have done VS Swim better. I think they should compromise more to bring it back. VS Swim is way more iconic than V-Day will ever be. Even tho V-Day brings in more money

I agree but I don't think they can afford that neither.

Nope, not even them can make me like VS V-day lol. I don't even understand why people anticipated it lol. Its never been good for me... I do wish we got some VS Swim action. Is it not possible that VS just stop the V-day campaigns. And just do a little small VS swim thing. I know Candice already has her own swim line out now, but still. I prefer campaigns VS actually knew how to greatly lol

I have never liked VS' VDay campaigns. But yeah, this one is the worst.

No new development has been happening because she hasn't been working. Which was one of the reasons why her ig post issue keeps coming up, maybe because of it she isn't working alot anymore. That post is one of the main issues people have about her now anyways. Its the biggest game changer. It was the reason why some people don't feel the same about her.It was done in bad taste and it could affect things (good or bad). We, because I am not the only one, are going to talk about it alot. We are allowed to. She put it out in the public, its gonna happen. especially since not much else has happened with her. Especially since its linked to more than just her career. We know what else that post was linked to. So yeah, its gonna come up alot. I explained why I talked about this and why its bothersome. Trying to be nice, even though you just don't deserve it at this point. No need to point it out as if I don't know it. The post is related to alot of recent things about her, its gonna be brought up often. And I said, following wasn't personal before I said we/I didn't know don't know her anymore. I don't know her anymore and she unpredictable is all I say now. But that still doesn't mean that other people won't think following meant something.

K.

You don't know what she meant, because she still never clarified what she did. All we know is, she was talking about a JOB. A job that came from the industry that indeed fed her. A job she clearly had done before. A job that put money in her pocket. A job that added on to career. Yeah, I am going to say it fed her. If not her, somebody in her family. A job other people still have to do because they haven't gotten all Adriana did from doing jobs like that yet, only for her to dismiss it after 20 years and look at it as "empty" A job she defended just 5 months before that. Its hard to look at someone normal after that and after all this other shit. I didn't say she DID slam models. You're making fake news by trying to twist what I meant. My point was people may perceive that she was. Some people thought she did. I said the word "seemingly" and "unintentionally". What does those words tell you? That she didn't actually do that, but some people took it as that. So you can stop saying I said she did. Some people thought this, especially after she unfollowed alot of models that day and they happened to be models who clearly do/post the work she was talking about. Alot of people drew that conclusion, especially since said her beef wasn't with VS itself. Some people are going to think she was being shady when she does all of that. I saw it with my own eyes, some people think that. Like I said, I am talking about what her post and actions could have and did look like in other's eyes. I will not repeat this to you again. BTW we are talking about her career now. Thats all that maters, don't deflect. Again, me and other people, simply do not and cannot feel the same way as you. Thats the bottom line. I don't care how mad you are about it. I can feel what I want to feel, and if its associated with Adriana, I am going to say it too.

That PR statement she had to release to deny that she wasn't talking about VS and saying she was grateful to them, wasn't fake news. And its obvious she was slamming a part of the industry, one she worked for, she just never named it. But it was to directed to something. I am talking about how the things she has said and done may look to other people. Because not everybody saw that post the same, and everyone here knows that. The same person telling "stop it with the fake news" its the same person that called that post she made "dumb". You thought it was dumb for a reason. So you know what my real point is. Alot of people saw what she said as bad, hypocritical and ungrateful. She had to say she was grateful in the PR statement for a reason. Her losing followers after her last negative non-inspiring post is not "fake news" neither. I don't lie here, and I wouldn't lie about that @Corner I don't know about huge models, as I said before, they are models who clearly liked her and always followed her until her post. Julianna herz is one, she just started for SI. And there is another I forgot her name, she is getting popular. I didn't expect for Jourdan to ignore her. What Adriana said wasn't bad objectively. It rubs you the wrong way if you actually followed how she has been lately. I doubt jourdan has. Also, I am discussing my own thoughts, observations, and feelings, about all this. I understand some of you all are still, trying to support her really hard and all that. And I respect that, but I don't share the same exact view.Like I said before, I am bothered by it because the only model I looked up to disappointed me. Adriana is the first and mainly the only person, I had ever been a big fan of. So this is taking me time to get over, and clearly I am not the only one. So, if I don't see something the same way and feel the same way, I just don't. I can talk about it here, it deals alot about her career, and because thats what this section is for anyway. Anybody that feels the opposite,I respect that. You can say it like @emerald7 and I will still respect that and I won't tell you to stop, just because I don't feel the same. So, please do the same Its hard to see things in a positive way when literally everything has been negative. Her activity for modelling has been a negative. I am not gonna get specific but her personal life, is a negative I think, her last post confirms it. Her last post itself was negative. Those follower counts are in the negatives lol. Everything has been negative, so when there is a discussion its gonna be negative right now. I mean, there is literally nothing to look up to, nothing to be happy about. Literally nothing. And this is coming from an optimist, I have nothing this time around. But I am trying to remain a fan atleast.

+1. I think what you said, makes it easier right now to talk about this in the context of just her. At this point we have no choice but to say in the end its her life, her chances, her fault. Nobody is putting a gun to her head and telling her to be this way. That's another reason why her comment to jourdan was off-putting. Saying, quote " It’s time for us to make that change, and show the world that Beauty it starts from within". It's like, Adriana, you already did that, years ago. But what makes it even more ironic is that she is now putting a stop to it. Actions speak louder than words, Adriana did also preach about inner beauty in the past, yes. But what validated it the things she did. From Charities she worked with to acts of kindness to fans/people. Remember when she gave a little girl a necklace off of her own neck, the same day she got it ? (skip to 4:55) 4 This is why it makes me so bitter as a fan to realize, I may not like her anymore. Because I remember her as this person. And its not just me, on IG, I have seen models who idolized her having to unfollow her after it seemed like she bit the hands that feed her and unintentionally threw shade/shame at the kind of work they still do (that she once did herself). Calling it empty. Some models may have liked it but I can see why other models would be offended. Especially since she unfollowed alot of models after saying that. That was just bad taste to do all at once. She looked like a bad person. And people have been calling her names they NEVER did, after she did that. Her own mom didn't like that post. That wasn't inspiration for some people. Its not inspirational to look ungrateful and seemingly shame other women who still did the work you once did. Its not inspiration nor is it empowering posting things like this I don't care if she thinks fans like us, are just being silly or we are just being mean/hateful. We aren't, it hurts like hell to be this disappointed. Like I said, the fact that she lost followers after this^ shows that general people are catching on to the bad vibes she has been giving and sending, not just "super fans"