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Yeah, that was quite a trick, it could have been the cast of man hell the View and still been awesome .

What I was thinking was that all countries have Cheryls. They transcend nationality and culture lines. The studio technological breaktroughs of the 80s as well as music videos (imagery) becoming part of the standard for artists laid the groundwork for this species to dominate and permeate the globe like an unstoppable rebel force and record companies just preyed on this to maximize profit. As to the 250 to 1 ratio, I bet there are many English who would say the same for artists like this (as Michael* mentioned earlier). I wanted to use others as examples, but I settled for Kesha as the American example only because she doesn't have enough fans here yet to have anyone get offended by putting her on blast . And no offense taken as I'm not a cannaseur of the white girl sing-rap genre myself nor do I find distorted samples of old rap songs to be 'catchy beats', rofl. But then again catchiness isn't subject to logic or integrity, its an unstoppable force that none can control that's what makes it CATCH, hehehe. But that song ironically had the most one week sales in United States music history and the album debuted number one here. But no, I don't like it one bit, but she doesn't need me apparently, lol.

Bianca x2 Still not really on the Bianca train, but her eyes are bigger and have more shape and has fuller lips. Bar's bone structure is more feminine to me so I gave her a point and don't care for the side profile of either. Bar x1 1.5 Each - Petra doesn't have any one feature I find particularly striking individually, but it comes together to make cuteness . Petra has the smile and Lae has the edge in the rest for me, so fair enough. Rianne Ten Haken x3 Poline Kouklina x3 1.5 Each Adriana x3 - Candice has that irresistible kind of sensuality that's cute and seductive at the same time, but for beauty I prefer the shape of Adriana's eyes and much prefer her side profile, don't technically love the teeth of either, but it adds character and both have nicely shaped lips . Barbara Meier x3 Christy Turlington x3

My vote will be the ultimate decider...1.5 each .

Yaya Kosikova x 3 Polina Kouklina x 2, Lucia Dvorska x 1 1.5 Each

They might find a few decent role players under the pretense of thinking they can get an easy ring if they play for a little less money maybe, but we'll see... I wonder if it was true about Delonte West sleeping with LeBron's mother .

North America - 1.5 . Its an American thing too I think America's got some that look worse, sing as bad and rap on the side .

Sorry, I was/am somewhat prickly because of something else personal, but please don't run into the wild .

Beauty - don't know...I would say 'cute' more specifically than 'beautiful' for both with one being a unique, sweet cute and the other a sweet, sensual cute. Better Model - Gemma The 'better model' isn't really fair comparisson not only because of all Gemma's done and how respected she is in the industry in that capacity but also because when you join VS the range of your work decreases and you really lose your modeling identity to a degree . Not that I would have said she was better or as good of a model as Gemma anyway just as Gemma's not as sensual as she is on the flip side, but just saying...and I think Candice and Lindsay were both better models than they are now before VS, but you have to do what's best for you at the end of the day .

Definitely my favorite winner of this ever (well favorite winner looks wise at least since I like Natlie more overall because of her acting) and definitely my favorite out of those finalists as well .

Fair enough , but I can't take prisoners so I might as well respond anyway ...To all that apply.... 1. I NEVER said anyone should think she's more hot. Not only that, you would be hard pressed to find a post of me saying anyone should be more or less attracted to someone else. Halfway through the fruitless quest, the most you or anyone will find is a challenge of an "ugly" or usually an "average" here and there and even that isn't an assertion that someone should like said person more only a different assessment of what 'average' or 'ugly' is. Or maybe a defense of Selita out of pity and sometimes just to humor myself honestly and maybe even challenge whether someone is "unattractive" on or not on the grounds of them being able to "attract" and still not saying anyone should like them any more or less. And such wasn't the case here. I challenged overrated, not hotness. Hotness - quality of looks and or sensuality Overrated - of widely exaggerated overall quality and or not worthy of one's success or attention 2. If a poll of our world and beyond resulted as 95% saying Megan Fox couldn't act and had the personality of a block of ice and Doutzen was buff you'd still defend them because you like them and I not once told you or anyone else to calm the f*** down. And if my username were Vladafan and I they said Candice was overrated you'd not only defend Candice but slam Vlada in return and I don't really have a problem with it. But for the defense side only I need to calm down, am I not allowed to take at least a sip from the same well ? 3. My comments weren't addressed to single out only those that said so, but in anticipation of it just becoming a train I figured I'd speak my mind. 4. Though I happen to like the person in this case, my defense of the term overrated isn't based on necessarily how much I like said person. I defend Angelina Jolie and Christina Aguilera for example and personally have no more use for them than a dead rat. I've defended people I don't even like countless times whereas someone I like more than Olivia (Rhihanna and others) I say myself are overrated (and you should know how much I like her) because by the standard of talent of her craft she's technically inadequate and in our (mainstream public's) face 24/7. 5. I alluded to there being hotter hosts who aren't as popular as her so...my statements definitely weren't she's not overrated on the merit of hotness . 6. Nor were my comments with regard to her level of "hotness" on any level . As a matter of fact, if it were "she's not that hot" I wouldn't have said anything at all. 7. In a land where saying one of someone's favorite models could use a shampoo warrants a flogging, I don't see how I'm out of line for defending the overrated status of a non-household name host. 8. That's not to say the possibility of her being overrated is ridiculous by any means but I felt the need to challenge the idea based on the fact that I feel her popularity is justifiable due to the fact that there are tons and tons of hosts equally hot or much hotter than she is, yet her popularity is largely attributed to people, men and women alike actually liking her opposed to looks only as is the standard for famous women in today's subtly digressive standard (look good and nothing else matters). (an overweight chick can barely get a record deal these days no matter how well she sings whereas a model looking chick with a hole in her throat has a better shot, slightly off the topic, but figured I'd throw that in...) 9. But to you and all that apply, feel free to think she or anyone else is overrated, but as you exercise the right to defend who you like, surely I have the right to once in a blue moon defend someone I like . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Part 1, Round 1, Pair 8 Sloggi Everyday Gisele VS At Night Incanto Russian Linerie

Well, congrats on the first ever victory Theron .

Hey! This isn't the Olivia Munn unappreciation thread, there's things way more overrated around here than D list semi-star hosts anyway and don't get me started let me just say I don't take too kindly :voodoo: !!!

Right on!!! well said.. it's true i was always a big fan but he definately loses some points in the respect area from me @ AnaBBarrosFan it says you are from Miami, Florida in your description there sooo you don't have to defend your self love I agree with you 100% Yeah guys .

:| ...Well, it does look interresting . You scared/talked me out of seeing the last horror movie , so maybe the opposite may work here :(talking me into one) hehe: . "critics say best date horror movie of the year" lolz . That other video is great too BTW about time she had some gifs . Want to move on....but 7 votes needed .

The pink elephant gif was one of my favorite BZ gifs ever so seeing the video is a big plus (Y) . I always had this idea of her as being super serious for some reason, so seeing a fan and playful side is really nice to see . I guess since I'm warming up I can be honest the lips kindof really bothered me tremendously before, but after seeing the videos, they look much more natural in motion so they look much better to me now. I like that fashion tv vid better than her actual Maybelline commercials and the pics you posted showed she can be innocent and edgy too and that's always a plus. I guess I see a little door opening so I guess I'll check out her thread, thanks .

Cindy Crawford x3 Karen Mudler x3 Hye Park x3 1.5 Each - Gemma's probably my favorite model, but for the thread title, I can't honestly say I think she's more beautiful than the other girl <_< .

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Every famous and semi-famous person you could name is overrated by more than one person. That said, leave Olivia alone ! She's not a tabloid queen shoved in people's faces 24/7 and she's not a a household name, she's a host and a C-D list star most people don't know anyway . Just because she dares to have a few fans doesn't make her overrated . There are tons and tons of female 'sexy' oriented hosts all over the world. Most of them bring nothing to the table but pushed up boobs and some even bare boobs, a bunch of makeup, their exhagerrated sensuality, tight clothes and empty headed giggles and most of the ones that try to be a more sophisticated version of the same bring nothing more than what's on their cue cards and dryly at that, but through her personality and energy she's outshinned and pawned most of them. She's shown that a non-news woman host can do more than stand there reading cue cards in a tight dress, she's shown the kind of person a lot of people would love to hang out with and entertained people in her own right, even if I didn't like her I would admire such a feat . Not for everyone maybe, but rated just fine .

Great points Berno and cool the thread's great lilso ! I guess since it has more practical use than just another avenue to diss people . I guess I'll go next. If someone can help me with Kemp Muhl that would be good . I love the quiet aggression she has in her work and that pink elephant gif is one of my fav gifs ever, but those are intangibles of course so...yeah if anyone wants to take a stab ...

She looks the same without makeup (the relevance of which somewhat depends on you liking how she looks in general to some degree of course ...but a lot of models can't say the same) and she looks like she has a peaceful, laid back state of mind, but...nothing against her, she's just not for me, but maybe Berno can help you . Even though I usually say if you don't like ox tail you just don't like ox tail but with things that are interpreted on the subjective level such as art and beauty it is possible to have a change of heart, so interresting game .

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Muscles are fine I guess, but I find them boring. I prefer more of a sinewy kind of man, like Gollum for example. J/k, just couldn't help myself . But thanks for the input .

Wow, thanks ! That was nice and I like a higher % of these . Also, its interresting that Candice is from SA and not in that. I think it would be nice if she could get rid of the blonde and do that instead of the Call of the Bombshells dribble, but you have to make that money at the end of the day of course .