They forget to mention that he had the highest ranking recruitment class ten years straight, with multiple rumors that he bribed players with insentive scholorships.

But not taking anything away from Wooden, he was a great coach in his own right. Just nothing compared to Dean Smith and Coack K.

Coach K btw tied Dean smith for the most NCAA tourney wins @ 66. Wooden was in the 50's.

Don't get me wrong Mr. K, John Wooden is a legend, and well deserved. He was a pioneer, an excellent player and coach, but I always find it funny when people try to talk junk about the ACC and try to compare UCLA to it. It is an insult to try to compare a single team against the most storied and sucessful conferance in college history. UCLA had its moment in history, but unlike UCLA, the ACC, UNC, Duke and the others will never fade away. The ACC is college basketball past, present, and future, and all the records set by UCLA and the lackeys of Wooden will be shattered many times over.

I think you need to take a look Wooden's record again.

Indiana State record: 47-14

Led Indiana State to the conference title (1947)

Led Indiana State to the finals of the NAIA invitation (1948)

UCLA record: 620-147

Led Bruins to four 30-0 seasons (1963-64, 1966-67, 1971-72, 1972-73)

Led Bruins to 88 consecutive victories

Led Bruins to 38 straight NCAA tournament victories

Led Bruins to 149-2 record at Pauley Pavilion

Led Bruins to 19 PAC 10 championships

Led Bruins to 10 national championships, including seven in a row (1966-73)

NCAA College Basketball Coach of the Year six times (1964, 1967, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973)

The Sporting News Sports Man of the Year (1970)

Sports Illustrated Sports Man of the Year (1973)

During 40 years of coaching, compiled a 885-203 (.813) record

One of only two individuals enshrined in the Hall of Fame as a player and as a coach (the other is Lenny Wilkens)

Read it and weep!!!

Cling to the past fool, Wooden was a giant in his time with nobody their to rival him. Everything is timing, and Coach Wooden was just the right coach at the right time. I could dare to imagine him being a succesful coach today.

Perhaps the only record there that will not be broken is the 7 in a row.

This argument is mute, I think its testament enough that UNC and Duke continue to earn trips to the NCAA as National Contendors every year, while UCLA has done nothing in the last three decades. The history of UCLA is just that, history.

rawr no one can argue with you, well at least not argue and win.

This argument is stupid and making me angry, I can't stand it when people talk about UCLA like they were the greatest thing to happen to college basketball. All Coach Wooden did was strive to get the best players every year. With the players he managed to recruit, any team under any coach could put up those kind of numbers, especially those days when parity was nothing.

hey don't worry about it when NC kicks ass and wins no one's gonna have anything to say then.

I especially dislike to argue with somebody who knows nothing about the game, and has to cut and paste from a website to back himself up.

None of the records that Wooden set have been broken yet!!! When is one of his records gonna be broken?! Its been 30 years!!! U actually think another coach is gonna have 4 or more undefeated seasons?! U think a basketball coach will have 89 CONSECUTIVE VICTORIES?! Also, 38 straight tournament victories?! It wouldn't happen in your neck of the woods. Too competitive, right?

hey k_dub are/were you on a debate team in your school?

Yea. Boy, I just had a good though, Roy Williams leads the Tar Heels to the next 7 National Championships.

Man I wish, but if theres any team out there thats gonna do it, its the Tar Heels.

:yes: I mean a fricken 96 score. I started watching yesterday and even I have that figured out.

Alright, im not going to argue with you anymore about those stupid records. Then again, maybe I will.

Everything is parity k. I don't understand how somebody can argue for a team that won all those championships against who? Back then there was no Gonzaga, there was no Villinova, or Vermont. Back then there was no Julius Hodges or Coppenrath's. Parity. Its like my dad said, there are alot of good players out there now.

With all that parity, with all those great players, what schools still win year after year, whats schools have proven themselves that they are the TRUE schools of basketball. Right now I can only think of four, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

UCLA? Pfft, a sidenote of history, and old history at that.

10 years from now, when UCLA has lost in the first round AGAIN, all you UCLA fans will be like, oh well, we still got the records. Who cares!? Ten years from now, UNC and Duke will likely have 2 or 3 more championships between them, something even the great Wooden couldn't dream to accomplish today.

Its all good. Like u said, Cain, Wooden had nobody to rival him, and that is the reason why most of the records he set will never be broken. You are right about that. These days, their are too many good teams and coaches. Eventually, one is gonna knock off the other. Like many great rivalries, they go tit for tat.

And to answer your question, Muffin, no, I wasn't. As a Gemini, I try to find the middle ground. If a issue is one-sided though, I will use that to my fullest advantage, as is shown by a majority of my posts above.

k_dub you be a gemini....me too....we are meant to be lawyers....i just cant stand it....i was in law and govt magnet in monroe...it was boring as hell.

oddly enough, that doesn't surprise me