Joker (2019)

[Matt!]

2 hours ago, jkjk said:

Joaquin was very good

 

Amazing performance by him. 

[jkjk]

^   There are many films still to be released, but he will likely receive all the nominations.

[Matt!]

50 minutes ago, jkjk said:

^   There are many films still to be released, but he will likely receive all the nominations.

 

^ He deserves an oscar for that role. He lost 50+ lbs for that role and really crushed those neurological disorders he was having. 

 

Kinda surprised that it only got 69% on RT https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019

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Joaquin Phoenix Is Open To Joker Return

 

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I haven't seen it yet

[Matt!]

8 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

I haven't seen it yet

 

Good news. Go see it asap! 

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On 10/9/2019 at 5:07 PM, Matt! said:

 

Good news. Go see it asap! 

 

I heard that a portion of the negative joker reviews were politically motivated

[jkjk]

^  It's possible to hear anything, maybe true, maybe not. Guessing at people's motives is impossible really.

 

I read a few reviews and two common themes among the negative reviews were:

1. Concern that the movie would encourage violence, with some mentioning the shooting at a showing of The Dark Knight. I think that concern doesn't make a lot of sense, but it definitely shouldn't impact whether a reviewer thinks the movie is good or not.

 

3. Saying for example about the psychological aspects of the movie, the movie tried to be Taxi Driver, but failed. Most movies fail at being Taxi Driver, it's really good.

 

2. A more realistic complaint I saw was that it was nothing new. It's true that the movie is not groundbreaking, but how many movies are. Doing something complete new is essentially impossible.

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well, political motivations are extremely easy to pick out in reviews when they use it as a soapbox to complain about external issues- keep in mind that I haven't read any reviews at all and plan on seeing this fresh.

[jkjk]

^ I always try to see things fresh. I avoid reading individual reviews and, if possible, avoid seeing the rotten tomatoes or metacritic aggregate numbers.

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23 hours ago, jkjk said:

^ I always try to see things fresh. I avoid reading individual reviews and, if possible, avoid seeing the rotten tomatoes or metacritic aggregate numbers.

 

many professional film reviewers tend to severely overanalyze movies- for the sake of making a compelling article.  Book reviews are the opposite- they tend to under-analyze the product.

[Jade Bahr]

On 4/16/2019 at 12:52 PM, Michael* said:

he apparently wasn't the studio's first choice to star in it. If the reports are to be believed, we almost ended up with Leonardo DiCaprio instead. 

DiCaprio was never attached to this project. They are just using his name like always to make a project more interesting/more prestige/more talks or whatever.

[Michael*]

On 10/20/2019 at 5:33 PM, Jade Bahr said:

DiCaprio was never attached to this project. They are just using his name like always to make a project more interesting/more prestige/more talks or whatever.

 

Be that as it may, I'm still holding out hope that the rumours of DiCaprio starring in a Stan Lee biopic were true, I'd like to see him doing a bunch of cameos in superhero movies. Or better yet, he could play Jared Leto in a Suicide Squad biopic. When asked to comment, Leto is last seen spasming on the floor and speaking in tongues.

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I'm been procrastinating my watch of this movie.  I keep on thinking that it'll be like watching Taxi Driver/ Requiem for a Dream and other great but also depressing/creepy/mood lowering films.

[Michael*]

20 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

I'm been procrastinating my watch of this movie.  I keep on thinking that it'll be like watching Taxi Driver/ Requiem for a Dream and other great but also depressing/creepy/mood lowering films.

 

I'm still hedging a little too. My issue isn't with Phoenix as I'm certain he'll be great in the role, it's that the story and direction seem like a bit of a question mark. That being said, the worst case scenario is probably that we get a slightly pretentious knock-off of Taxi Driver or King of Comedy with comic book window dressing.

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4 hours ago, Michael* said:

 

I'm still hedging a little too. My issue isn't with Phoenix as I'm certain he'll be great in the role, it's that the story and direction seem like a bit of a question mark. That being said, the worst case scenario is probably that we get a slightly pretentious knock-off of Taxi Driver or King of Comedy with comic book window dressing.

 

I will probably watch in a week or so

[Michael*]

Thought it was a gripping watch, good score, numerous meta comments on comedy and of course, an abundance of references to other films. I didn't find the 'message' immediately discernible, instead I thought it allowed for multiple readings which perhaps makes it more interesting in retrospect than it is in the moment.

 

Two small things stood out as curious asides, the subversive take on Thomas Wayne who more often than not is depicted as something approaching a saint, as well as the shot of Arthur (in full Joker regalia) sitting in a police car with his head resting against the side window. That had to have been intentionally swiped from The Dark Knight, possibly as a tribute to Heath Ledger.