On 8/13/2023 at 12:42 PM, AnatasiaSteele82 said:

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In the film, I miss true love story between Barbie & Ken

 

Why is always everyone assuming the heroine needs a hero to be fully filled?

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

Why is always everyone assuming the heroine needs a hero to be fully filled?

I never assumed a heroine needs a hero.  Perhaps there are many examples that I never noticed but Zero Dark Thirty and Hidden Figures come to mind.

^It's just something my mom said while we were watching "13 going 30" I will never ever forget. The movie is about to end and 30 years old Jen Garner is sitting on the stairs, crying her eyes out because she didn't get "the man" and then went back to 13 making everything different to make sure she's ending up with "the man". A so called HAPPY ENDING.

 

My mom: So she can't be happy without him, she has to be with him to be happy. Why is this the message of every fuckin girls movie?

 

Also my mom while watching Titanic: Oh so she can live without him!

 

12 years old sobbing me: But with him would be so much nicer.

 

My mom: You will understand when you're older.

 

Me today: My mom was right.

11 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

^It's just something my mom said while we were watching "13 going 30" I will never ever forget. The movie is about to end and 30 years old Jen Garner is sitting on the stairs, crying her eyes out because she didn't get "the man" and then went back to 13 making everything different to make sure she's ending up with "the man". A so called HAPPY ENDING.

 

My mom: So she can't be happy without him, she has to be with him to be happy. Why is this the message of every fuckin girls movie?

 

Also my mom while watching Titanic: Oh so she can live without him!

 

12 years old sobbing me: But with him would be so much nicer.

 

My mom: You will understand when you're older.

 

Me today: My mom was right.

I absolutely agree 💯 I also believe that a woman will never be truly happy with a man if she cannot be happy without him. 

2 minutes ago, Lilja K said:

I also believe that a woman will never be truly happy with a man if she cannot be happy without him. 

6 hours ago, Jade Bahr said:

Why is always everyone assuming the heroine needs a hero to be fully filled?

No, I only say I love love stories.

1 hour ago, AnatasiaSteele82 said:

No, I only say I love love stories.

Me too but that's not the Intention or message of the movie at all. If you're looking for a conventional love story you just watched the wrong movie, girl 😄

8 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

Me too but that's not the Intention or message of the movie at all. If you're looking for a conventional love story you just watched the wrong movie, girl 😄

Boy I watched fun movie

8 hours ago, Jade Bahr said:

Me today: My mom was right.

I agree and I doubt Margot Robbie needs a man to "be fulfilled".  Plus I was reacting to the statement "everyone assuming". 

 

My mother's other's role model was Eleanor Roosevelt.  I've studied and am reading a book now about her and learned she didn't need Franklin to achieve greatness but it helped a little to be married to a president.

9 hours ago, Clarence said:

but it helped a little to be married to a president.

Haha no doubts about that. It's nothing wrong with having a powerful man on/at your side 😄

On 8/2/2023 at 2:21 AM, Grievous said:

And following a YouTuber with a video that's called "Why Modern Movies Suck - The Strong Female Character" tells me everything I need to know.  

He sounds like an open-minded kind of guy. 🙄

 

You didn't even watch the video

 

He says that creating heroines that don't have to undergo hardship to fulfil their journey belittles them and make them unrelatable/unrealistic. The problem of the "Mary Sue" trope is that it tells its audience they don't have to do anything to become good (which is wrong - reality will always remind you that).

 

I'm sure you can get past the title of a video, general Grievous, right?

^Is he also complaining about the downfall of the modern male character or is this only a "female" issue in his cinematic world??? And yes I watched the vid.

 

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1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

^Is he also complaining about the downfall of the modern male character or is this only a "female" issue in his cinematic world??? And yes I watched the vid.

 

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He is indeed. There are several videos about it.

 

Modern Hollywood is too blinded by arrogance to do some self-critique (and it looks with condescendance a past that was not the caricature it claims it was).

BTW, a message for those who just read video titles: you can't understand this video, unless you watch it

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15 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

He is indeed. There are several videos about it.

Fair enough  

 

Or maybe he is just watching the wrong mainstream movies? There is a whole movie world outside the broken big studio system of Hollywood and I claim if you're open minded and look in the right places you even find decent modern stuff there too.

12 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

Or maybe he is just watching the wrong mainstream movies? There is a whole movie world outside the broken big studio system of Hollywood and I claim if you're open minded and look in the right places you even find decent modern stuff there too.

 

I'd love to know what these alternatives are.

 

I like Japanese entertainment, but it's not that prolific and most of the good stuff is anime (not many good movies). Also, sometimes, they're a bit twisted

 

There are a couple of good European productions (sometimes, but not that many of them). In the US, I thought Netflix would be an alternative, but it turns out that now they're among the worst

Oppenheimer was a really good movie (that's an exception for Hollywood in 2023).

And Dune was great too (I'm looking forward to watch the sequel)

 

 

Not sure if all of this is still Margot related so I put my answer into spoiler and leave this here:

 

20 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

I'd love to know what these alternatives are.

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Literally every country has some kind of movie culture not just America/Hollywood. The UK is straight coming to my mind with a tremendous market of movies and shows. Scandinavian countries highly famous for their well written crime stories. Then France (yes we cannes) even though you have to like their way of telling a story. Germany, Spain (both not brilliant but decent). Even Turkey or Poland. Not forget India and Bollywood. The huge asia market you already mentioned (it's far more than just anime I would say they're also very famous in the fantasy, horror and erotic genre for example and of course their Material arts movies like the Bruce Lee ones or Samurai stuff etc).

 

Then there is a whole existing indie section next to the giant mainstream landscape (even in Hollywood).

 

Of course I could give you a list of movies and shows I like and watch but in the end of the day it's also a matter of personal taste I think. Also my understanding of a good written character (male or female) may look completely different than yours. Watching movies and shows is something I highly enjoy since my childhood and it's also highly personal wether I can connect with a topic and characters or not.

 

Also I don't think just because big studios and their CEOs like netflix, amazon, disney, paramount etc making some very questionable decisions based on lots of money lately (or maybe even since the beginning of money) doesn't mean all of their movies and shows are bad in general. Some maybe but show me the decade which brought us only masterpieces and/or good changes. I mean the time of stereotypes of racism and minorities (like the whole lgbtq+ community or people with disabilities) wasn't great either no? The time of trivializing violence against women. The time of role models of hard working men and perfect dressed cooking women just waiting for her husbands coming home in -well- basically every century just to name a few past issues.

From today's NY Times, a guest / opinion essay:

 

 

Margot Robbie’s Sly Interpretation of the Feminine Ideal

 

Sometimes the Times has a paywall so the article is also attached as a PDF.

 

 

Opinion Margot Robbie’s Sly Interpretation of the Feminine Ideal - The New York Times.pdf