Weird.

 

Claim: Paul Thomas Anderson Wrote ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’, NOT Eric Roth [Updated]

UPDATED: I don’t want to name names here, but two sources of mine, one of which worked extensively on Scorsese’s film, are confirming Bramesco’s claim. There might, or might not, be a few trades reporting on this soon. If I was able to corroborate it then it’ll be very easy for them to do the same.

Also, this was posted on the Hollywood Elsewhere comments section around nine months ago:

EARLIER: A major claim is being made by The Guardian’s Charles Bramesco. He says that the “Killers of the Flower Moon” script was actually not written by Eric Roth, but rather by Paul Thomas Anderson!

On X, a user pointed out that Roth had been snubbed of an adapted screenplay Oscar nomination this morning. It was indeed a surprise given that he was supposed to be a cinch to get nominated. Bramesco replied …

The writer [Roth] hasn’t been on the circuit, because I heard pretty much the entire thing was rewritten by … PTA.

We already know that there was a total script overhaul for ‘Killers.’ Scorsese and DiCaprio decided that, instead of depicting the point of view of the FBI, they were going to focus on the story of the Osage nation.

It was thought that Roth had written both of these versions of the film, but Bramesco is implying that PTA came in and reportedly rewrote all of the script from scratch. That’s a bold move on his part, and, possibly, a tad unprofessional.

It is odd, but not out of the ordinary, for a writer to get credited for a screenplay they didn’t write. However, Roth was being campaigned for Oscar consideration and has been nominated by other voting bodies. I’ve contacted Roth to comment on the story. I’ll be updating this one if anything else comes out in the next few hours ...

1 hour ago, Sugarwater said:

Also, this is pretty cool as well!

There was a song in KOTFM? Is it the one when the osages dancing in circles in the very end?

6 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

There was a song in KOTFM? Is it the one when the osages dancing in circles in the very end?

Yes. That’s the one.

https://tulsaworld.com/life-entertainment/local/music/killers-of-the-flower-moon-song-created-by-oklahomans-makes-oscar-shortlist/article_873c8760-b572-11ee-bda4-a78e9259fc89.html

@Sugarwater thx

 

There are a LOT of first time oscar nominees this year I have to say. It's kinda nice.

 

Also congrats to Marty for this record!

 

Overall view:

 

 

Soul food

 

Leonardo DiCaprio’s Oscars snub for Killers of the Flower Moon is ridiculous

I'm no Scorsese diehard but I struggle to think of a more perfect film

The announcement of the Oscars shortlist today hasn’t yielded many surprises: big names Oppenheimer, Poor Things, The Holdovers, Barbie and Maestro come up again and again (though Margot Robbie is nowhere to be seen in the Best Actress category). The nominations mean that everyone is talking about the biggest and best films of the year: Oppenheimer, which has already swept the Golden Globes and is tipped to win big again; the shocking and taboo Poor Things, for which Emma Stone has rightly received a lot of hype and is now up for Best Actress; Celine Song’s delicate, moving Past Lives, about the rekindling of a childhood relationship, which has deservedly been nominated for Best Picture.

 

But somehow, it feels as though people aren’t talking nearly enough about the best of them all: Killers of the Flower Moon, which is up for Best Picture, Costume Design, Original Song, Original Score, Production Design, Editing and Cinematography, along with Best Supporting Actor (Robert De Niro), Actress (Lily Gladstone) and Director (Martin Scorsese). This may seem like a lot, but they’re all deserved – and frankly, it’s a travesty that Leonardo DiCaprio has been snubbed in the Best Actor category. I’m no Scorsese diehard, but I would struggle to think of a more perfect film. It deserves to win every Oscar going.

 

It’s not an easy watch: Killers of the Flower Moon is a Western tragedy, about the gradual theft of land and assets from the Osage, a Native tribe in Oklahoma, in the 1920s, who are wealthy due to the oil on their reservation. A cattle rancher, William King Hale (De Niro), poses as a benevolent benefactor of the native people but is secretly killing them, using his nephew Ernest Burkhart (DiCaprio) as a weapon when he falls in love with Mollie (Gladstone) and marries into the family. It’s based on David Grann’s non-fiction book of the same name.

 

Everyone’s first thought when they set out to watch Killers is about its length – at three and a half hours, it’s hardly a weeknight watch. But I didn’t look away once, or at any point think about how long was left, or pop to the loo or the cinema Ben & Jerry’s bar (the same cannot be said of my experience watching Oppenheimer). This is a film that manages to be constantly gripping and chilling, despite its extremely slow burn.

 

In fact, the slow burn is absolutely crucial. As Hale and Burkhart systematically pick off Osage people, the grief of those left – including Mollie – deepens and deepens. It’s a long, painful process, and we almost feel her agony in real time, watching her slowly deteriorate as the people she loves disappear, and she is manipulated into thinking Ernest is looking after her. This is Scorsese, so there is plenty of violence and destruction, but this – along with the lengthy runtime – never feels indulgent or gratuitous. It’s necessary to make us not only understand but go some way in feeling the scope of the horrors.

 

Combine that with a haunting, pulsating soundtrack by Robbie Robertson, seemingly endless Wild West skies, and sublimely beautiful moments of Scorsese surrealism-cum-native folklore (such as the recurring owl motif, or the peaceful, dreamlike scene on the deathbed of Mollie’s mother), and you get one of the most darkly powerful films in living memory. A meta coda, which nods to the irony of the story being told by a white man, is a fitting end.

 

All this, without even mentioning the performances – De Niro chills you to your core as the ruthless abuser; DiCaprio is gut wrenching as his greedy, gullible pawn; and Gladstone is breathtaking as a woman experiencing grief that is almost inconceivable, let alone imaginable. (Earlier in January, she became the first indigenous woman to win a Golden Globe.)

 

Though Scorsese is no stranger to violence and evil characters, the way it manifests in Killers of the Flower Moon feels like little we’ve seen before on the big screen: cold, calculated and subtle. De Niro and DiCaprio are two actors the director often turns to, though, for similar roles: think of the young De Niro in Taxi Driver (1976), being gradually radicalised, or DiCaprio in Shutter Island (2010), self-sabotaging and confused. The result is performances that feel fresh, but actors who know exactly what they’re doing.

 

That the Baftas snubbed Killers in the acting and directing categories was a disgrace. We can only hope the Oscars, already on thin ice with DiCaprio, gets it right. Killers of the Flower Moon is a stone cold masterpiece, and must, at the very least, win Best Picture.

Allegedly the summery of Leos new PTA movie LOL

 

Jade

 

What the person posted IS the plot line of Pynchon's novel Vineland which was from the start what some thought PTA's film would be based on.  I guess once filming begins , we'll have a better idea especially if we see lots of people dressed as hippies   

@oxford25 thx for clarification. This whole Vineland plot is hella confusing 😄 Can someone explain me what the POINT of this novel is???

Jade

 

To be honest,  I've read very detailed description of the  Vineland plot , and , personally,  it is not a storyline that appeals to me 

 

Those who believe the new movie is based on Vineland , also, think Leo will play Brock Vond ,  a federal agent who was involved in a  relationship at one point with Prarie's mother  Frenesi

 

Personally, I'm  HOPING PTA's new film is NOT based on Vineland  

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

Allegedly the summery of Leos new PTA movie LOL

 

But wouldn't this movie have a contemporary setting? I am struggling to understand the character names first of all 🤣🤣.

^Yeah Zoyd sounds like someone's coming straight from space 🤣

 

47 minutes ago, oxford25 said:

Personally, I'm  HOPING PTA's new film is NOT based on Vineland  

This whole plot sounds so unappealing and meaningless good lord 🤪

14 minutes ago, oxford25 said:

Jade

 

To be honest,  I've read very detailed description of the  Vineland plot , and , personally,  it is not a storyline that appeals to me 

 

Those who believe the new movie is based on Vineland , also, think Leo will play Brock Vond ,  a federal agent who was involved in a  relationship at one point with Prarie's mother  Frenesi

 

Personally, I'm  HOPING PTA's new film is NOT based on Vineland  

Well whether it's Vineland or another project 

, eventhough Vineland doesn't sound too appealing but if it's really vineland I won't be mad cause I know Leo chooses his projects carefully so ofc the adaptation is very good, I trust his choices😘

Isn’t Eureka, CA featured in the book Vineland?

27 minutes ago, Sugarwater said:

Isn’t Eureka, CA featured in the book Vineland?

Yeah this is why Jordan Ruimy still doesn't let go of this idea.

 

Could PTA’s Next Film Still Be ‘Vineland’?

Jade

 

Maybe instead of playing the 'bad guy' Brock Vond  who represents the evil /oppressive gov't   ,  Leo will be playing Zoyd and Regina is his long lost wife Frenesi  

 

And , it is Sean Penn who plays Brock Vond 

 

Like I said above when they actually start filming , if we see lots of extras that are dressed like hippies , then we know it is Vineland  

 

Whatever it is , I hope we get pix from the filming  

 

 

Pami

 

As to 'contemporary, it could be it is the general storyline of Vineland, but PTA has changed the  'era' , and it is set in 2024  

 

 

17 minutes ago, oxford25 said:

Jade

 

Maybe instead of playing the 'bad guy' Brock Vond  who represents the evil /oppressive gov't   ,  Leo will be playing Zoyd and Regina is his long lost wife Frenesi  

 

And , it is Sean Penn who plays Brock Vond 

 

Like I said above when they actually start filming , if we see lots of extras that are dressed like hippies , then we know it is Vineland  

 

Whatever it is , I hope we get pix from the filming  

 

 

Pami

 

As to 'contemporary, it could be it is the general storyline of Vineland, but PTA has changed the  'era' , and it is set in 2024  

 

 

Thanks for th explanation Oxford! I hope it's at least set in 2024 then, because Leo is always seen in period pieces.

 

@Jade Bahr, exactly, sounds like someone from space 🤣🤣.

21 minutes ago, oxford25 said:

Whatever it is , I hope we get pix from the filming

Would love that but isn't PTA very uhm - secretive? Never really paid attention to his movies let alone the sets to be honest 😅

1 hour ago, LuckyGirl said:

cause I know Leo chooses his projects carefully so ofc the adaptation is very good, I trust his choices😘

That's actually my hope too. I'm also glad it's not Scorsese again (sry Marty).

Jade

 

The films of PTA that I've seen are :  Boogie Nights (Mark Wahlberg did when Leo opted to do Titanic )   There Will Be Blood & Phantom Thread ( his two films with DDL) ,  Magnolia (Tom Cruise ) ,  Inherent Vice (Joaquin Phoenix ) , and  his recent Licorice Pizza  in which the rumor was that Leo was going to do the cameo role that Brad Cooper did in the film, but Leo's scheduling didn't allow him to do it. 

 

Also on the movie forums the rumor was that Joaquin was going to be the male costar opposite Leo in the film , but , if accurate, I guess Joaquin's schedule didn't allow him to