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^^ +3, but let's be fair, now that Bee is an angel, let's just give her all the support we can give.

^^^ I.. I.. I.. I.. I don't know LOL. I mean for all we know, Behati might deliver an expecting performance. Of all things to hate on her, I think it's just her walk that's plain. But she's been getting imo, better at being sexy and sensual. That's why my hate level for Behati is borderline, I like that girl you know, I like her when I saw her in 2011, but I don't think she needs the FB so soon kind of feeling. It's like I know she's got some good stuffs going on, but she can wait for another 1,2 years to get the spotlight, but if she does get the FB, I won't hate on her, I'd just be like "Oh, okay, lets look forward to her walk". Whereas Martha and Stella... .... Man, it doesn't matter if people say they worked for VS for a long time, any posts associated with Stella/Martha getting the good treatment is just . Funny part is, Stella is growing on me, little. She's got good photo shooting going on for her, but she didn't leave a good impression in me in her 2014 walk and I still think she got the angel status way too soon, considering how young she is. Martha on the other hand, nah, that girl has Taylor Swift written all over her face. Then I used to think Taylor Hill got the angel status way too soon too, but I think Taylor's good. She might be the next Candice VS can groom if she puts in effort. My overall impression of the new angels are okay, I somehow expected Lais and Jasmine (girl has been getting all the good stuffs lately), like Romee, Taylor, Jac and Kate G, not so much on Stella, absolutely hate Martha. Stella/Martha hate level = same as watching people beg for the Hadid sisters/Jenner being let up on to VS runway and putting others down whilst simultaneously telling people "nobody cares about their angel" *cough cough*. Honestly, until Martha can prove she's got something good going on in the runway aside from her Taylor Swift relationship or the overrated fact that she worked hard for VS, she's just not gonna shine. I honestly thought when Martha was selected as an angel, people would say why and what makes her angel-worthy (bombshell look? Good walks? what?), instead I get hates from Martha fangirls who explain nothing :yuckky: So if Behati gets the bra, I'm fine with it. Maybe she practiced for it, but if she's a let down even with all that faith put in, then.. well, it is what it is LOL. Still think its too early for her, but hey, I'm behind everyone who wants their Queen Bee to get the bra, just be prepared to know that people will absolutely shit on her if she doesn't live up to expectations. Lily A, I like her, but she's got a long way to go, I mean her walk was never the best, improved over the year but still needs to be on Adriana/Candice level to look good, she's actually got good stuffs going (although my family thinks she looks like a tranny ), but if she's giving up her VS mantle soon, then let her have the honors of doing the FB. P/s: actually thinking back about Bee, I realize why people like her. According to my fashion dummy friends, the only face they know and associate with is Behati. To them, she's got that girl next door, average looks. People feel comfortable around her, they feel relatable. My Asian female friends get upset sometimes just watching girls like Candice because they know they worked off their asses hard and don't get the sculpted abs Ale/Adri/Candice have. With Behati, it's like this comfortable association. Maybe for those of us who watch VS for years now, it might be different for us. I guess that's why Bee's got quite some fangirls rooting for her, in a way, her representing the FB speaks about how "average looking" people can be bombshells, look sexy and slay the runway too.

Angel Hate level (just sharing), Stella getting the FB = ya'll need Jesus Martha getting the FB = start going to church, kids (no one can deny Martha's success came partially from her relationship with TayTay) Behati getting the FB = Meh, it's fine. Least its not Stella/Martha (borderline) Anyone else = Good for them, let's get the show on!

Hype people, hype! I have to thank BZ for making me this nervous. When I first watched VS in 2011, I was so clueless with many things and then I continued to anticipate for 2012 and 2013 and found BZ in 2013. Usually I'd just be like "Oh, let's wait and see"... and in 2014, I was like "whose getting what and whose walking what"; but this year, thanks to ya'll saying the 20th show anniversary being a big deal, I'm getting batshit crazy and nervous with everyone too . Never felt so anxious about which model gets to walk and which doesn't, I'm 100% with everyone even though I'm probably the worst dude when it comes to fashion. Even the friends who I got hooked on to VS show are anxiously waiting for results, some were asking if people like Magdalena is walking, some were asking if Karlie is coming back, some are hoping for Doutzen to walk etc excitement. @phang.s just out of curiosity, are you from Southeast Asia ?

*Rejoices at Cindy Bruna and Constance's confirmation* It's nice know the old faces are gonna remain for another year. Meanwhile...... *checks Sui He's instagram and weibo* Nope. That lady is busy with her stylist boyfriend The suspense and anxiety is getting shit real *headdesks*, any news about Ming Xi? For some reason, I wish Flavia would come back to VS runway , but I think she's done with VS.

^^^I think Jasmine, Romee, Lais and Jac all have a level of bombshell look though... The rest probably need to practice a bit more, but Stella, Martha and Elsa are't far off too.

I have to be honest, this was funny.

Anyone notice how the PINK segments are slowly going back to being a bit more of young adult girls + sexy ones and not the teenager/youth kind? I mean I find 2012 and 2013's PINK geared towards being a bit young, and last year's PINK started shifting to "university" girls, maybe it'll go back to young adults as a theme this year? Selena can't be singing Good For You while the girls are dressed in cheerful outfits right? I mean that song is meant to be a bit sexy and what not.

But Eniko came back for one show after a long absence too :3. I mean I don't mind if EDP comes back for one show only lel.

If EDP walks this year's fashion show, I'll be happy . She looks good on the runway~

Oh my god, I'm already imagining Candice's awkward sexy face, she never liked the lip sync video, something about Candice always tells me she's more of an introverted girl. Meanwhile.. Adriana is probably gonna do some cute faces along with Behati..

^Taking a wild guess to say that they'll sing CFMF

^^Thanks for the words of comfort, lol. I'm not sure, I did have a feeling she wouldn't be back and some bz users said she took time off the HF scene cause her dad was sick and ill stricken with disease, but judging by her recent IG/Weibo posts, she seems to be doing a bit of fashion related stuffs and mostly traveling, like coaching models and what not. Let's hope we'll see her. Her social media accounts are goddamn quiet even Chinese news have little on her, it seems that she's very well guarded about her life in general. It'll be sad to see her put up her annual VS career before she gets her wings, and I was somehow hoping she gets to wear them damnnnn wings this year. She's like the underdog of VS models <3, and only Sophia and David seems to love her more than Monica or Ed would. Meanwhile, I am looking forward to Romee and Kate G <3, although I think Kate G won't be in this year due to pregnancy (maybe)? And also FB news!

Its so nice to know at least this year, I'm watching and speculating with everyone too. Meanwhile *stares at Sui He's instagram* , sigh.

^Are we talking about Kate G

I remember how Monica said angels have to be casted in the room itself because they need to see if the models have flaws on their body, cause the room is usually well lit. Just wondering how theyre gonna judge if some castings are sent via skype videos, since they won't have specialized light equipment..

^^Not all angels have to do the casting in person right? I recalled some of them sent videos to Ed & co. for casting instead, just wondering because I notice some of the models I follow closely are all traveling far away from the States and hardly posting any train like an angel pictures.

Now that we've got the musical guests revealed, what about castings? Didn't we estimate that it should have been last Friday?

The funny part is back in 2013, I thought Selena would have fitted in very well with VS. 2014 came and I thought "Welp, it's not happening". 2015 came and when Selena Gomez released "Good For You" I thought it would go well with the runway, and now that she's announced, I'm kinda excited, but it sucks that she's the one performing for PINK. I also thought The Weeknd's Earned It, CFMF and The Hills were runway material songs, but I'm leaning more towards The Hills and CFMF. Rihanna was the only one I never expected to appear again, cause her recent songs aren't really hits anyway.

I have a feeling about The Weekend and Selena performing too, not sure about Rihanna tho. She did make an appearance in 2012..

^^^To be fair. I don't beg for my model to be noticed for 3-5 pages continuously. Nor talk about how she must be in VSFS even though she isn't that big and just blatantly say "Maybe some of us don't care (about other models)" and push for mainstream faces cause they're the newest girls everyone is obsessing about and needs to be talked about for at least 10 pages long. I'm sorry if you feel that way, at least I make an effort to ask about other models, like Natasha, Toni, Cameron, even just subtly. I would ask about the rest if I knew more about them, but some people don't care right ? But I guess we'll always have that one or two girls whose obsessed with mainstream faces, especially the ones that are so commonly talked about cause they're famous for being Taylor Swift's friends or big names and less about getting recognized for their work Oh and I don't harp on how no one cares about my favorite model and just bring her up once in awhile, whilst still being able to talk other angels that "no one cares" like asking about Devon *cough* Natasha *cough* Toni *cough* other models *cough*

In Cameron's defense, no one would have been able to walk perfectly in that outfit. If you look at the outfit it was basically a tube. She had no choice but to be a bit stiff. I think that she looked amazing in it though, which I can't say for Lily. I looked again at Silver Screen Angels, and the only one outfit came close to Cameron's was Sui's outfit. I'm not sure about the whole tube thing, but I do know that Sui was pretty sick when she was doing Silver Screens and still managed to walk pretty well. Every other angel weren't most or less wearing dresses, so I can't compare. Even in 2011's I Put A Spell On You, Cameron's walk was as equally bad. I'm not sure if its a case of outfit in Silver Screen or just really bad walk. I looked at Calendar Girls for VS 2012, Cameron wore a raincoat outfit, and her walk pales in comparison with the other girls. So I was sort of happy she didn't return for 2013, she went to pursue her MBA and gave a TED talk I believe.. Cameron's got a pretty face, I'm not sure I find her walk ugly, it's just very bland I guess? Whereas Lily D.. Lily.. really probably just wasn't in the mood for VS2014, I don't know why she was so... meh with her expression in 2014,

I honestly thought VS had a thing for her in 2012, since closing shows are such a big deal.. Then 2013 came and she was just another regular angel who got nice outfits. I guess she will never be a VS angel. Also speaking of Toni reminded me of one thing, anyone noticed how when there's Toni, there's Sui? They were put back to back with each other in 2011 and 2013. After Toni, Sui comes out.

On the topic who we want to to wear the FB or who isn't, or that FB is getting boring.. How about Fantasy Wings instead? Distribute that million dollar money in to a segment full of Fantasy Wings with exquisite jewelry, then no one complains about how bland VS is. At this point, I just want to say something that's been been going on for a long time...And I apologize if certain fans get salty over this. It is just downright annoying and boring and above all, darn irritating to see half of the users here talk about how they want to see their favorite models appear and put down the rest. All the talks about Behati should deserve to wear the FB is kinda getting on my nerves, let VS decide and stop saying why Bee deserves it for the 20th anniversary, if she deserves it this year, she'll eventually get it and we will all eventually find out. Don't go "Bee should wear", "I want Bee to wear". The other thing that bugs me is how half of the thread actually had like Kendall Jenner/Gigi Hadid/Stella Maxwell/Martha Hunt fangirls all over the place, frantically saying Gigi Handid/Kendall is god and deserves a spot with VS. Again, if they're good, they'll be recruited, if they don't.. well.. don't put others down. And I suppose half of them are fangirls. It also reminds me how others had vehemently defended people like Martha Hunt/Stella Maxwell when I mentioned they weren't VS materials, and the fans go "She worked as hard as X and so, she deserves a spot", just so gungho fans attempting to prove with every breath they have that the world needs to focus on their beloved girls. It gets annoying to see how some of us resort to "Girl A worked as hard as Girl B/C so she deserves angel status" excuse to end an argument. Just please, for once, can we dedicate like, 1-3 pages worth of discussion about other VS models that people rarely talk about? Like great example that someone mentioned Cindy Bruna, Josephine, Devon Windsor, or talk about someone fresh like Kate G, Romee, Lais, maybe even Bianca, Chanel, Magdelena, Toni Garn, Ming Xi, Sui He, Sigrid, Maria, Yumi, Constance or even old faces like Eniko, Morgane, Micheala, Flavia etc.. Talk about someone who hasn't been receiving VS attention as much as the new angels or the current angels. Talk about why (some) non-VS angels will come back and some don't. There's so many angels to talk about but about 10 pages of discussion basically consisted of half of the discussion begging VS to notice Gigi or Kendall. FYI, I like Gigi, I like Bee (not in a FB way), but seriously, can we stop talking about them for just a few pages? Hell, I even like Adriana and I'm fine with her because hardly anyone talks about how Adriana needs to have the FB. There's such a lack of diversity in the models we talk about, about 50% of models everyone is begging to have VS recognition is American. It's even worse than me talking/obsessing/fanning over Sui He, and I don't keep repeating that Sui He needs to be the first Asian VS angel. My point is, if whoever you think is worthy of VS recognition should be in the fashion show this year, you will find out soon enough. I like to read on people's speculations, reasons why X model is going to be in the show and not because X model is their favorite, or that some users are just plain begging. And I will readily admit that I'm not even a fashion fan, I only watch VS annually but can we, for the love of god, talk about others models and take a break with names like Gigi or Kendall or generic American models that everyone is obsessing over? FYI, just curious, Fantasy Bra vs. Most Expensive Outfit in the show, who thinks either one is better to look at? I sometimes think the Most Expensive Outfit is the nicer thing to look out for. A pity 2012-2014 outfits were given to bad models to wear. Cameron, Lily D didn't do the outfit justice with their rather bland walk, esp Lily D since she actually had such great walk from 2011-2013 and 2014 was so boring.

Can someone explain why Devon is 100% going to be placed in PINK?