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:| definitely not!

Thanks Ann007, Hellzbelle, Matute and everyone . @ Pinky video :shock: ...How can someone be so hot :shock: ??? *edit* and how can someone be this hot and...classy looking at the same time :shock: :shock: :shock: ???

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Isn't bottom left in post #3 Julie Ordon ?

You know I gotcha back :blueeyedbaby: .

You've both denounced your teams along the way and now they've fought to win back your love .

Lions :shock: ... Congrats Matts on the Ravens and Eagles .

Joe: [to comfort a distraught Patriot fan] I think they can still win 11-13 games. (lists moves they can make, strategies they can use, what they have left, cap room ect.) Mbinebri: You're living in a fantasy world Joe! Patriots 11-4 WITH TONS OF INJURIES THEY DIDN'T HAVE LAST YEAR OTHER THAN QUARTERBACK. Rodney Harisson = 6 games Starting Running back = 3 games # 2 Deep Thread from last year = 0 games Junior Seau = 3 games Adalius Thomas = 8 games Asante Samuel = 0 games (lost to the Eagles) Among other holes and injuries... 11 games even despite all that . HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA :evil: .

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Oh, wow , so many new pics I don't know what to say :wub: !!!

I don't necessarily mean "don't bring up the glory days". I just want to be clear that I don't want to recreate the "rise and fall of the supermodel" thread and talk more on what can realistically be done in the here and now to increase mainstreem visibility, but not necessarily take over the entertainment world per se, because then there would be a lot of "it will never happen again, ect..." but to basically be MORE well-known to the middle-man as you say. But those are all good ways and I didn't consider hosting .

Camila Alves ?

Marisa Miller seems to be doing it . She appeals to a lot more than only male fans. Her personality seems to allow her to have a much wider appeal than the average swimsuit or fashion model, so maybe personality helps . As to high fashion, helping more people to see the art of it would help . Maybe for like a model music video, a real fashion photographer colaborate to show the best of both worlds so more people can see the range of art in high fashion work, all kinds of things... Let models talk in more fashion commercials . Promote more model only fashion magazines like Numero ect. Have more interviews in fashion mags so people can get a better idea of who they are . STOP having great editorials with everyone but the model's name :| . A lot of people want to know who they are but will never know just because their name isn't anywhere to be found :| .

I was wondering about this because when I was reading, hearing and seeing different things about different eras of modeling and seeing things different from what I always thought. I never realized that many models from prior eras were like celebs are today, at mainstream red carpet events, real household names. My view of modeling was always that you had to date an actor, director, athlete or singer to get that type of visibility . But it seems that it was not always so. People knew the "trinity" (Evangelista, Turlington, Naomi) along with others...for themselves and that is somewhat of a foreign concept to me. Even people that don't care about modeling know who Cindy Crawford is and probably don't know or remember what celebs she dated . Anyway, this is NOT a topic about the "fall of the supermodel" or even "bringing back the glory days" by any means. The topic is not about bringing back the full fledged "glory days" but what I wanted to know was some of your thoughts about how today's models can gain general mainstreem visibility outside of dating celebs and VS (not knocking those things, of course , its just that they are too easy and obvious . I think some would have a lot more American mainstreem media visibility for one, if not for a language/relatablity barrier. And by "relatability" not necessarily only you relating to them, but a personality or mystique that interrests people as well, but I can't speak for South America and European mainstreem, fo course... But Again: The topic is NOT about bringing back the full fledged "glory days" , so comments about how we'll never see the glory days again, ect. will be rendered off topic . But just wanted different people's ideas about how today's models can gain general mainstreem visibility (or how some are). OUTSIDE OF dating celebs or VS .

Nice pics, IM .

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Inguna 1. Hair:6 2. Butt: 1 3. Face: 7.5 4. Eyes:7.5 5. Legs: 6 6. Body: 6 (nice hips ) 7. Smile: 8 8. Cleavage: 3 9. Sexiness: 7 10. Natural Beauty: 8.5 (great polas) Voter #: 17 *just notices* Oh, well, just FYI then . *also realizes he loves her and didn't give a particularly high score*

Ummmm....helicopter in fashion video...don't see that everyday, I guess . YSL x3 .