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GROUP STAGE, DAY 3 OF 3: A5 Salma Hayek A6 Jennifer Love Hewitt B5 Angelina Jolie B6 Michelle Pfeiffer C5 Kate Winslet C6 Eva Mendes D5 Olga Kurylenko D6 Catherine Zeta-Jones E5 Olivia Wilde E6 Kate Beckinsale F5 Monica Bellucci F6 Halle Berry G5 Jessica Alba G6 Scarlett Johansson H5 Odette Yustman

This is model Jasmine Sanders, also a member fo Bellazon .

She's one of my favorite models since I started getting into fashion to now, but I never actually thought about her body. Probably because of her amazing sexiness and face stealing the show. I'd give the face 9.7 and the sexiness 10+ for sure. Body, not bad, but I don't know how much it would stand out if it had to stand on its own without that amzaing face and super sexiness. I don't particularly love anything to be honest and her butt could also be described as a lower back, which isn't what I would call bad but not above average IMO. She is fairly fit and her legs do have some shape to them, so I would call her above average for sure . And her skill at posing combined with her amazing sexiness allow her to maximize what she has. But I have to give the same score as I did those simular to be fair. But I'm only saying this because its a competition, in reality I want her desperately . Catherine - 5.5

Nice one Baron . Since the rules say without the wings Doutzen x3 . But that Trentini dudad has me suddenly anticipating the wings round.

Thanks goblue . (6 votes for Selita, 8 for Luisana, 6 for Valeria, 5 for Jennifer) (Catherine McNeil, Nominated by Prettyphile)

High Fashion Models Even though Natalia Vadionova and Rianne Ten Haken are the only high fashion models in this comp, good points about high fashion models . Selita And of course my purpose is not to say whether you should like her more or not, mind you . But of course we have to bear in mind that these older members were also young and new in the prime of their Selita bashing and in the prime of anti-Selita mania. I feel confident that if this comp were done 2 years ago, VS homerism wasn't any less rampant and her scores would be cut in half (in my opinion of course ) . But my point with this Selita thing is not who would or wouldn't love her otherwise or who would hate her just the same anyway ect. or why every individual person likes her or not. But I personally feel that if we just be honest here in assessing said group as a whole, her looks alone don't warrant the way she has historically been treated on Bellazon. There are tons of weird looking models with almost every type of "flaw" under the sun but no model on Bellazon has ever been treated or talked about half as bad as she has here. When I got here by the way people talked about the woman, if I just read the comments and didn't see her myself I would swear she was a monster with four red eyes with puss foaming from them . VS Fandom And IMO, the biggest VS fans are among the older members. I myself have never been a huge VS fan, and found the VS craze of BZ overwhelming initially. When I first got here for example, it seemed anyone VS (along with Laetitia and Petra of course) couldn't lose any poll. It seemed like Alessandra could win best redhead if she was in it at that time. It seems to me those powers have largely shifted and now you can even see no names almost put up a fight in some polls whereas a B lister wouldn't stand a chance when I got here. "For the loser now will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'." New Members Scoring And of course we can't rule out people just genuinely liking someone that much simply because we may not understand . We also can't rule out the idea that people that score higher in general may just genuinely a greater and wider appreciation for more women . But ironically, as to newer members giving higher scores to be politically correct or avoid offending, the average pre 08 member actually averages higher scorers averages giving more 10s too . The order is Rapidly fadin'. And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'. (8 votes for Selita, 9 for Luisana, 6 for Valeria, 5 for Jennifer)

Heidi x3 .

GROUP STAGE, DAY 2 OF 3, GROUPS E-H: E3 Olivia Wilde E4 Don't like either . But Jenn...I guess..... :rofl: F3 Penelope Cruz F4 Halle Berry G3 Charlize Theron G4 Scarlett Johansson (since I like the looks of both I'll give the more talented the win) H3 Josie Maran (Not saying Odette's less pretty, but Josie stole my heart, got much better body, sensuality and intanbible qualities that melt me) H4 Ashley Judd

. No need to appologize to me . Nothing worse can be said about Selita than has been said on Bellazon. Seleta bashing was an every day occurance when I first got to Bellazon, I sortof missed it almost. It turns out I've been looking forward to this round to see if my prediction of the different members was true *evil laugh*. And that is the difference in assessments between 04-07 registered members and 08-09, specifically 09. Team 08-09, Score = 9 Team 07 and back, Score = 6 (better than I thought) I want to speak to a few different things (not all related to this), but I type fast and I find if I say too much no one will read it , so one at a time. Part 1: Her Breasts I'm pretty sure those enhancements haven't helped her scores with those that like her here as big breasts are not really a commodity in this comp . Just compare the breasts at the bottom 50 to the top 50. There are also other popular models who I won't name for the time being with simular before and afters, only upgraded to a more discreet cup size. Part 2: Bellazon and Selita To me, this whole Selita is a monster thing Bellazon is known for isn't all about the quality of looks alone. Its about that many members registered from 04-07 dislike her because they didn't like what she brought to VS. The bad walk, weird awkward runway gestures ect. and all those bad feelings have been transfered to the looks. Not saying it accounts fro a 10 to 1 gap, but I do think 5s become 3s, 3s become 1s, 7s become 6s, 6s become 4s as a result. But when you compare the scores of those registered from 04-07 to those registered 08-09, especially 09, you will see a drastic difference in perceptions that is no coincidence. I'm not here to say you have to love her or even like her. I'm not saying the devil pic isn't funny, it is. But what I am here to say is this is a new Selita world on the brink and you and I are in it. Mr. Dylan and the 09 registered members have something to say to us 04-07 registered members . Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'. Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin'. For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'. Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled There's a battle outside And it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'. Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'. The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be past The order is Rapidly fadin'. And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'.

Ale by far IMO, Ale x3 .

Thanks Chocolate . And thanks to everyone in their own way ... Young pictures of her are much harder to find because she became more well known older and for her current fitness show . She was 4th place for Miss Venezuela in 1986, but couldn't find pics of that ...I only found 2 pics in her 20s.... No flesh here though . I just found I still had a copy of the blocked pics on my hard drive. Since everything else is still the same, if someone wants to, they can just judge by the breasts from the young pic ? Since she's the only one here being judged by 30s-40s pics anyway . But since another is up now, only optional of course . Natural Breasts Blocked Pics Off to hit the books, sorry if anyone was troubled or inconvenienced in any way .

WTH? Well, what are the chances...do all that work (that backfires) to prove one is natural and here we are ...I predetermined when I started this thing not to nominate any with them because they aren't technically judged by their body in a way, much like the baby faces which makes the raking an asterisk in a way. Only I'm not particularly astute at pointing them out . Even though there are some fashion models I think have them too only they are less noticeable because they are small... And WTH? The bandwidth is exceeded anyway and that link was all I had....I not only don't have time to re-find and re-block those pics, just can't affort to give up a round on the age issue and the implant issue as I'll only be here a couple more days. So maybe its better to just move on... Catherine, no matter what they say, you're still one of my fav fitness instructors , I'll never forget what I learned . Looking at the before pics I just found, you didn't need em' anyway (though no one needs them IMO). I also didn't know she was 5'9 . But lookin great at 44 (Y) . And that leg/booty combo is better than any fashion model under 30 IMO . 8 votes needed for Luisana... (Selita Ebanks, Nominated by Theron)

Paris 2.0 . Bar Rafaeli - 9.4 Luisana Lopilito - 9.6 - not a fan though ... Catherine Fullop - 9.8-10 - My favorite female fitness instructor . Tied for favorite leg/booty combo of the comp so far . And just now noticed I could only find 30s-40s pics, how ironic .

Rankings minus those needing 25 votes Here (Catherine Fullop, Nominated by Me)

Well , I try to be fair and couldn't decide . But yeah, you should do that . 1.5 each . But I'm saying this time because that bubble rap that Lyndsey is wearing makes it harder to tell the difference .

Yeah...though ironically the Swedish thing was my moving on . And because the intentions are good, I feel bad for saying earnest and eloquent as it may be, none of that anything to do with what I was talking about . But, thanks anyway .

One thing about Argentina as a side note is butt implants seem very popular there, not saying this girl has them or not. But as to Luisana, I wouldn't put her in a fashion model contest because to me, she's an actress/singer who has done some occassional modeling. And...Not knocking your tastes, but ironically, I always though the beauty/hotness of Swedish women as a whole were kindof overrated (don't hate me guys ). But admittedly that feeling is somewhat enhanced by my annoying Swedish friend who's always talking about how they're the best this and that ect.

These are all great points as well as valid concerns . Part 1: Intangible Qualities Bear in mind, I'm not judgeing the people who speak out about intanbigle factors. For example, if 3 speak out, 70% may be thinking the same thing whether the score is low, middle or somewhat high. My point about intangibles is, for example: Salma Hayek is sexy, extremely sexy. She walks sexy, talks sexy, probably even belches sexy. But I myself just can't particularly understand deducting points from someone (not referring to anyone in particular...) with the same body and no sensuality. But maybe I'm just not meant to undesrstand everything ? I do however understand APPRECIATING the sexy or sexy and more mature one more, even though my score would be the same. But again, I may be the minority on this. Its the same thing as I APPRECIATE looks more of someone who's nice over someone with the same body who is either a b@#$# or annoying and I know probably 90% would probably evaluate them differently. I can't say its a crime even though I can't relate . My only concern in light of a competition is that it seems if the person isn't judged on their body, then it would be better to just move on to the next round/person rather than waste that spot. Part 2: Range of Pics a Bad Idea, But Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time Because... But anyway, I saw her on Answers.com and it asked whether her breasts were real. Whoever answered said yes, but I assumed it was a commonly asked question as a result and I know some (at least subconsciously) take off for that (which is whay I didn't nominate Erica Durance and Carmen Electra ect.) and those are some of Choco's fav pics of her (at the top) so I figured to just leave them there so if anyone wonders maybe they can judge based on that. Part 3: The Age/Look Thing As a side note, it also just so happens even though I think she has a great body, I don't really like her (not that I dislike her). As to the kids exposed like that, you and I are both American (and I'm African American), but I do have some hispanic relatives and a lot of what some teens wear in some Hispanic countries is definitely considered inappropriate over here. In some cases due to the heat. In Cuba for example, even little girls wear shirts with their whole stomach showing which is even outlawed in some high schools here, but its not considered in a sexual way there. That combined with a more sexually expressive culture in general (in some countries). I was raised American however and though not knocking them, I don't particularly agree with the trend for celebs/entertainers...IMO, even American pop stars, even though they are older than me now, start a little young for my taste (take the 17-year old Britney in the "Hit me Baby" video) or even Rihanna bellydancing in a video at 15.....and even Miranda in lingerie I always felt was somewhat odd, so I relate to that half of course...

Hello . We understand you well , welcome .

She doesn't look 15, she is 15 in some pics. We made the pics range from the width of her career (15-22) because some asked whether her body was natural or not. In the most recent pic (at the bottom of the blocked pics) is the average 22 year old face . But even if she were 30 and looked 11, I could see if it were "Battle of the Sensuality" but don't see what that has to do with the quality of someone's bod .

Luisana - 9.6-10

Not the eyes, oh . But I do appreciate your posts in general and you're one of my favorite contributors . dawson: She's okay I guess. Here's 8 pics dawson: She's awesome. Here's 8 pics (catchup vote list coming...) (Luisana Lopilato, Nominated by Chocolate and Me) (Blocked by Chocolate)

Can we limit the extra pics to like 10 ? So everyone can have the same range of pics . Does she say "you are out" when she wins ? I thought you were supposed to bring balance to the world ?

A1 Salma Hayek ( ) A2 Jennifer Love Hewitt - because she needs me more, but ( ) B1 Mila Kunis B2 Michelle Pfeiffer C1 Eva Mendes C2 Kate Winslet D1 Diane Kruger D2 Catherine Zeta-Jones (talent breaks tie) E1 Kate Beckinsale E2 Olivia Wilde (euw, Rebecca Remain <_< (sorry guys ) F1 Monica Bellucci F2 Halle Berry G1 Jessica Alba G2 Scarlett Johansson H1 Anne Hathaway ( ) I love Josie over 10X more but I've never seen her act . I'd even vote for her if I saw her in something and she sucked...what are you doing to me ????!!!!! H2 Ashley Judd

GROUP STAGE, DAY 2 OF 3, GROUPS A-D: A3 Natalie Portman ( :cry: ) A4 Salma Hayek - not any worse looking and way more talent, but ( ) - Are you doing this on purpose ? B3 Angelina Jolie B4 Michelle Pfeiffer C3 Eva Mendes C4 *flips coin* Rachel Bilson D3 Olga Kurylenko D4 Catherine Zeta-Jones