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As much as I would love to see all the woke BS gets dismissed by VS, I highly doubt that they will go back to the best version of themselves when it comes to prioritizing "sexiness" again. Before the woke shit happened, I still remember how a lot of the fandom wished for women and not girls to be cast to do VS. They were at the peak of perfectionizing their sexiness formula with the 2005 show and the Angels involved. Seems like wishful thinking of me to see them bringing back the show with an exclusive amount of models of around 30 models, bringing back Angels but only 5-8 Angels and give them three outfits again, bringing back outfits with wings but only a limited amount with their catchy mashups as runway soundtracks that freaking fitted the themes of the segments as opposed to ill-fitted music by popular musicians performing live and distracting from the models. Another thing that I noticed towards the ending of the show is also how skinny the VS standard had become (they tried though with Barbara Palvin, Maia Cotton and Sofia Rovenstine in their last show). Feminine qualities really don't hurt. It's lingerie after all.

what do you even mean that she didn't have a lot of hype in the 2018 show? Anyways, she was mentioned as an Angel in the press release for the 2018 show along with all the other Angels. So she was still an Angel in 2018 regardless of less "hype".

Err... actually she said that the show always took place on her birthday and it's nice for a change to relax on her birthday instead of feeling the pressure of being seen by so many people when she does the VS show. Then she literally said "I don't miss the show too much if I'm honest". What was there to cackle? She wasn't shading VS at all.

Elsa said that the VSFS always took place on her birthday and that it's nice for a change to be able to relax on her birthday instead of feeling the most pressure when she does the show. Then she continued saying that she doesn't "miss it too much". She didn't say "at all". The way you paraphrased is blatantly putting words in her mouth. Not cool at all.

Around this time of the year you would see people start posting regularly on the thread that is dedicated to each year's show. But no 2020 show, so no 2020 thread. Is it safe to say that the VS show is over for good? It's still so odd to acknowledge that. I had this thought the other day that the VS show was one of the very few jobs that expanded the longevity of a model's career. Without VS, I'm pretty sure many model's careers would have been over way earlier. Now that the show is gone models are pushed back one step further into the unknown beauty-identity. It's very sad and all because a bunch of hot models with the same body type weren't enough.🙄

Regardless of how flawed the show became over the years, it was far from being a shit show. 👆 The VS show won't come back obviously because fatties and trans created their butthurt-shitstorm and VS became a victim of cancel culture. I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist but I find it somewhat funny to think that Ed plotted the end of the VS show as he thought of retiring. He made the VS show and he didn't wanna leave it to someone else when retiring. So he indirectly made it go lol.

That Martha, Candice and Elsa are gone is based on assumptions though, no? There is not a single source to back that claim up like with Behati's case with the pagesix-article. On another note, I don't think the VS show will ever come back. If it does, then it would become an all-sizes-pity-party and wouldn't be the VS show that we have all become acquainted to. VS is infamous to be hesitant to call a spade a spade. They have done that to Marisa and Miranda. When they left, they claimed they would continue working with them and it never happened (as expected). So their official announcement about creating new dynamic content means "no VS show anymore".

During her time as an Angel, Gisele didn't wear wings only in one show (the 2003 show). Only one show doesn't qualify as "rarely".

Yeah, you'd probably be the only person who would think that's a backstabbing move and a slap in the face. Model contracts don't last forever. So what are you talking about being pissed???

no, they didn't call her ugly. They (aka Sophia Neophitou) said: and let's be honest: Kate Upton has a body that looks kinda like she's letting herself go lately. When she first worked with SI, she had an amazing body but a year later she started to gain weight and the proportions look off. Still a nice body but when you make a living out of it, you have to have an amazing body.

I remember that too and that she said about a blonde model doing so which prompted people to assume that she was talking about Elsa. By that time people shunned Charlotte to be a liar and that she claimed that out of spite because she didn't get the show but now... maybe there was indeed some good amount of truth to that.

Ed is not part of the company anymore. So...

I don't like the short hair on her. Celine is the most beautiful with long wavy hair. It's a shame when someone that beautiful is considered too mainstream and too "pretty white girl", so she was told to cut it short, making her look like a butch lesbian (shout out to them 😉), so she would look somewhat edgy enough for hf. Her career started quite promising but I think it's pretty save to say now that her career has already reached its peak and doing Balmain for shows, and Ralph Lauren for catalog work is as far as it will go. What a shame 😒.

Burgdoerfer also said that they will keep communicating with their customers but nothing of the magnitude similar to the fashion show. Since every of their fashion show is planned a year in advanced, it makes Burgdoerfer's statement sound like that we can also forget about a 2020 show from happening. :S All I can wish for is that I hope the VS show will come back and if it does that it won't become a Savage x Fenty 2.0 show. They actually had a "making of"-series from the past few shows on youtube though. 😉

She was also one of my least favorite Angel picks. I liked her as John Gallianos muse. Her signature walk fitted the dramatic style of John Gallianos designs with the intricate make-up but she's not that type of model who can sell lingerie. I never understood what VS saw in her besides being such a successful model. I always liked Doutzen, especially after I watched that one documentary about her that showed me a humble, candid and just lovely Doutzen. Physically speaking, she's the perfect Angel pick. It just seemed forced at times when she tried to be more outgoing and amusing because that was more of an VS Angel personality. That interview about her leaving VS sounds just like how I assume Doutzen to be - candid without being rude. Karlie is just being a typical PC American.

That's an interesting topic to discuss as I also wondered why VS never had a typical All-American blonde bombshell as an Angel but when I brainstormed who could have been great contenders, I really couldn't think of anyone (except for Christie Brinkley, but she's clearly from another era). Erin and Lindsay are no Angel-material to me because they look too girly as opposed to womenly. Marisa looked mature enough and her personality won me over but I remember when a lot of fans thought that she looks rather like a porn star and I have too agree 😶. Brooklyn felt "too small" to be a VS Angel meaning that she looks like a model great for the LA or Miami fashion scene but nothing bigger than that even though she looked gorgeous but her career would have been stuck on literally just doing VS as her only job worth to be mentioned (like Selita's). Kate definitely got the hype but her looks has no fashion in it. She almost looks more like a pretty actress than a model. As I was brainstorming and thinking about who could fill the spot today, I could only think of Hannah Ferguson, Hailey Clauson and Megan Williams. 2-3 years ago I would have counted Hannah Jeter on that list too. Can you think of anyone else?

This overemphasis on race or size first without even considering if there's someone suitable to represent that is hella annoying. If someone is Angel-material, then they are Angel-material. I'd rather have 5 girls who have somewhat similar looks but are 100% Angel-material than 5 girls who look distinctively different from one another but are mediocre looking.

The PC-mess has officially destroyed SI for what it was with the inclusion of Hunter. Flaws like obesity shouldn't be glamorized. Seriously SI, get a grip. DUH!

The first one is not Astrid Munoz, but Kristen Bronson. And the one that you assumed to be Noot, is not Noot, but Scottish model Honor Fraser.😉

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My exact same thought! It would be a win-win situation on both sides. The combination of being an Angel and the SI cover girl could finally help Barbara to become a household name while it would solidify SI's and VS's image again of being "star makers" which they have rather failed at in recent years. Someone else brought Lais up and I think she should have become the SI Cover girl last year. Giving the cover to Danielle was a HUGE WASTE and I immediately knew. The only attention Danielle got was for being the second black cover girl (I didn't count Beyonce because she ain't a model) and what else happened after that? NOTHING. If they really wanted a second black girl, Lais would have been obviously the better choice but I guess SI seems to be super patriotic when it comes to the cover (no solo-cover for non-Americans since 2011). It's time to give it to someone who can make something out of it.

THIS! There is a difference between an "insta model" and "a model who has a huge following on social media" and Lorena is the latter one.

I loathe it whenever I read people bitching about certain ethnicities are not represented and then continue to use the word "diversity". Man, stop butchering the word "diversity" when your demand comes from a place of affirmative action. NO ONE should get the Angel title JUST BECAUSE they are of a particular ethnicity as much as being denied that title just because there are already too many Angels of the same ethnicity. If you're Angel-material, then you're Angel-material. If it was for some of you people's logic, then the iconic Angel group consisting of Gisele, Heidi, Tyra, Adriana, Ale and KK would have never existed because of "too many white models". Stop making everything about race and spare it for cases when it actually matters.

She had re-signed with IMG Models in New York but quickly switched to IMG Models in Paris. That's all though.

I just watched the show and I have to say that I liked it. Never judge the show based on the poor quality clips recorded by the audience till you have seen the finished product. I should have known better not to but I fell for it again. 😖 The editing was quite good. The show's biggest problem is still the poor music choice. It's been done with a hit-or-miss manner for way too long. The Chainsmoker-song could have been mixed so much better. It built up and climaxed when Barbara Palvin walked just to fall flat with the breakdown when Ming walked. Shawn's "Lost in Japan" was perfect for the Mary K-segment. It has a bright and carefree feeling which made the collection more tolerable to look at. My absolute favorite is, without a doubt, "Celestial Angels". The intensity of the song and the smoke in the beginningof the segment when Lais entered the catwalk, followed by Candice, Taylor, Romee, Elsa and closed by Adriana who rocked the stage with the singer. Wow, that would have been a BEAUTIFUL WAY to start the show but I guess they wanted Adriana to close the show, so they put it last in order. PS: This is how the first segment ended. And now imagine them with lingerie on. Is this really what people wanna see, so they can "relate"????