Oppression is not a binary concept where one is either an everlasting oppressed or an everlasting oppressor. Men and women have been both oppressors and oppressed for a long time. It was way better to be a Noble woman in the 1500s Germany than a poor man. Way better.

47 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

He's using his power, money and influence not only to controll his land ("This is America. We don't share land here."), capital, politics but also to keep his family in line (every member male and female). There is only one way "to handle things properly" and that's the John Dutton way. Everything he does is for his own good. His worldview, his leadership, his morals is the only right way to live and and whoever disobeys will be punished. Physical or emotionally. Or both. Sometimes even worse. He is the man in charge and everyone must have his permission for actions or simply thinking.

 

Today, straight white males who disagree with feminism and wokism will be punished. Physical or emotionally. Or both. Neo-feminism and wokism are a form of totalitarianism.

 

One of the most famous French feminist wrote a book called “I hate men”. Here's a link. They say on Amazon that “The feminist book they tried to ban in France”. This is totally wrong. She was invited everywhere in the media, by leftist outlets to praise her and call her brave. She tries to victimise herself, but she's the oppressor now.

 

Women who like traditional approaches are also bullied, intimidated and harassed by feminists. Like Estee. Because the woke approach is totalitarian.

 

But all in all...

 

3 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

Loving and supporting your family is a man's task since dawn of time. Because when the woman is pregnant, her capacities are diminished. So, the man collects the resources for the family. The couple is the most efficient form of organisation to take care of children (the tribe was an alternative but a dysfunctional one).

 

Modern women who don't need no man (thanks to a man's invention... the contraceptive pill) are against people like Leonardo. I mean they're against 99% of men like Leonardo, until they meet their Leonardo. It's called hypergamy. It tends to cloud rational thinking around these subjects.

 

The "article/definition" you quoted mentions P. Bourdieu. This guy was everything but neutral. He was a far left activist who used the Marxist matrix (oppressor/oppressed) and tried to apply it in societal analyses. This approach is not scientific. Sociology is not a hard science and it's highly falsifiable.

 

Your "article/definition” says that what happens in Germany and the Middle East is the same. This is insane. Homosexuals are massacred and stoned to death in the Middle East (example). These “woke” and far left intellectuals are not serious. They don't live in reality. They live in fantasy world. They just want to blame their newfound scapegoat: straight white man. This is totalitarian.

You always talk in extremes. Of course, you can't compare the Middle East's treatment of homosexuals with "Western standards", where things are slowly getting better. But just because our country treats them “better” doesn’t mean they're treated correctly/equally. Just to take one example.

Just now, Jade Bahr said:

You always talk in extremes.

 

You use to word "always" to generalise how someone talks. What you just did is extreme. I didn't generalise what you said.

 

BTW, I was answering to your article, which grossly generalised as well.

 

1 minute ago, Jade Bahr said:

But just because our country treats them “better” doesn’t mean they should in the Western world be treated correctly.

 

Gay people are treated correctly in the Western World. And rightfully so. Thankfully.

4 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

Today, straight white males who disagree with feminism and wokism will be punished. Physical or emotionally. Or both. Neo-feminism and wokism are a form of totalitarianism.

 

One of the most famous French feminist wrote a book called “I hate men”. Here's a link. They say on Amazon that “The feminist book they tried to ban in France”. This is totally wrong. She was invited everywhere in the media, by leftist outlets to praise her and call her brave. She tries to victimise herself, but she's the oppressor now.

 

Women who like traditional approaches are also bullied, intimidated and harassed by feminists. Like Estee. Because the woke approach is totalitarian.

 

Sometimes I feel like you can't help but take one of an individual's ideas and turn it into something "other feminists claim". None of this what ypu said here comes even close to my personal opinon.

1 minute ago, Enrico_sw said:

Gay people are treated correctly in the Western World. And rightfully so. Thankfully.

Give me a break. Since when? The 00s??????? You're acting like gay people had some easy peasy way to get that "right" treatment in the western world.

2 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

Sometimes I feel like you can't help but take one of an individual's ideas and turn it into something "other feminists claim". None of this what ypu said here comes even close to my personal opinon.

 

I'm not talking about your personal opinions. I'm sure they are highly respectable.

 

I'm talking about the rapid progression of a totalitarian movement in our societies (called wokism/feminism).

7 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

I'm talking about the rapid progression of a totalitarian movement in our societies (called wokism/feminism).

It's going in a wrong direction I'll give you that (especially in social media, poilitics etc) but I can only talk about my personal experiences and I don't know one single woman who hates Leonardo or any decent man (like him or in general). Individuals are not necessarily reflecting the toxic enviroment that our social society became. At least I can't witness it in my every day life (expect when I open the internet where everything seem radicalized, hated or twisted).

1 minute ago, Jade Bahr said:

Give me a break. Since when? The 00s??????? You're acting like gay people had some easy peasy way to get that "right" treatment in the western world.

 

Since a long time in France. The criminalization of gay people stopped in 1791. Gay people were never massively thrown out of windows (unlike in the Middle East).

 

In the UK, I know it's different (Alan Turing was condemned for being gay), but gay people in the West haven't been massively purged for centuries (unlike in the Middle East)

 

You see the difference, right?

I watched "The Normal Heart" and "Fellow Travelers" (not saying they're 100% accurate since they're obviously not documentaries) but if you truly think gay people have THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS AND VALUES like heteros oh boy.

 

There is also a doc called "the last taboo" from this year. I highly recommend you to watch it and tell me after the oppression/discrimination/harassment of gay people really has stopped. You don't have to be stoned to be hurt/damaged irreversible just saying.

46 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Oppression is not a binary concept where one is either an everlasting oppressed or an everlasting oppressor. Men and women have been both oppressors and oppressed for a long time. It was way better to be a Noble woman in the 1500s Germany than a poor man. Way better.

And I guess it must have been SO MUCH BETTER to be a noble man no matter the century.

 

1 minute ago, Jade Bahr said:

And I guess it must have be MUCH BETTER to be a noble man no matter the century.

 

Wrong guess. There's minimal to zero difference in terms of life quality between noble men and women. The difference between nobles and poor people was vastly higher. Immensely higher.

 

I know modern teachings tell you that women are everlasting victims, but it's false. Poor people didn't even have proper nutrition and hygiene. Nobles (men and women) had it way better.

 

Noble women had servants, maids, etc.

21 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

I watched "The Normal Heart" and "Fellow Travelers" (not saying they're 100% accurate since they're obviously not documentaries) but if you truly think gay people have THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS AND VALUES like heteros oh boy.

 

There is also a doc called "the last taboo" from this year. I highly recommend you to watch it and tell me after the oppression/discrimination/harassment of gay people really has stopped. You don't have to be stoned to be hurt/damaged irreversible just saying.

 

You said it: Hollywood doesn't make documentaries. BTW, even a documentary can be politicised. What's better are history books (though nothing is purely objective).

 

These two show/movies depict the 50s and 80s. They are fictions. Gay are not stoned to death unlike here in the present era.

 

You see the difference?

3 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

You said it: Hollywood doesn't make documentaries. BTW, even a documentary can be politicised. What's better are history books (though nothing is purely objective).

If you see it that way you literally can't believe nothing anymore said, showed or written unless you're experience it by yourself. I'm pretty sure back in time books (or the written word in general) were just as instrumentalized like every modern media these days. It's not like humanity invented the oppression of individual groups just by now. It's part of our nature probably since we learned to speak/communicate.

 

Also, when in all of human history has it ever been better to be poor than rich?

 

I can also only repeat myself since you're still not paying attention. Not once I claimed women are the only everlasting victims nor do I believe they are nor was I teached they were/are so actually no you know nothing because you don't listen (also something that cursed grievances btw). It's more you playing the manly victim card again and again. And maybe you're right. Maybe you feel like a victim. But guess what? It's nothing unusual because most of us do.

 

Maybe you should stand up and write a book since that's apparently the only media you trust and since you claim to know -well maybe not everything- but a lot about what's going wrong between the sexes.... because simply complaining about a situation never changed anything afterall right?

 

So in your words

2 hours ago, Jade Bahr said:

I watched "The Normal Heart" and "Fellow Travelers" (not saying they're 100% accurate since they're obviously not documentaries) but if you truly think gay people have THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS AND VALUES like heteros oh boy.

 

There is also a doc called "the last taboo" from this year. I highly recommend you to watch it and tell me after the oppression/discrimination/harassment of gay people really has stopped. You don't have to be stoned to be hurt/damaged irreversible just saying.

I met a lot of gay/lesbian/bisexual discriminatong people who aren't, very sad. I was treat like a man, dress like a man, treat like a transexual... because I am more independent, by psychologisths, teachers, nurses, doctor, in jobs too... 

2 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

Wrong guess. There's minimal to zero difference in terms of life quality between noble men and women. The difference between nobles and poor people was vastly higher. Immensely higher.

 

I know modern teachings tell you that women are everlasting victims, but it's false. Poor people didn't even have proper nutrition and hygiene. Nobles (men and women) had it way better.

 

Noble women had servants, maids, etc.

It is stupid, you can be noble snd no need that type of services, or want it, in private home. But some dependeables and disable people need it,  big difference...

2 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:

 

You said it: Hollywood doesn't make documentaries. BTW, even a documentary can be politicised. What's better are history books (though nothing is purely objective).

 

These two show/movies depict the 50s and 80s. They are fictions. Gay are not stoned to death unlike here in the present era.

 

You see the difference?

This is true, some gay men still being considered criminal in poor villages and countries.

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

It's more you playing the manly victim card again and again. And maybe you're right. Maybe you feel like a victim. But guess what? It's nothing unusual because most of us do.

 

You're not paying attention. I don't feel like a victim, I literally told you that the oppressor/oppressed matrix is not an accurate one. The only thing that matters to me is having the most faithful representation of social dynamics. Nothing more.

 

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

Maybe you should stand up and write a book since that's apparently the only media you trust

 

It's not the only media I trust. I said there's a gradation of trustworthiness and Hollywood is not at the top... but historical books are way higher.

 

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

Also, when in all of human history has it ever been better to be poor than rich?

 

Never (though nowadays, thanks to technological breakthroughs, the middle class has standards of living that are higher than even the nobles' in the 16th century).

 

In any case, your words confirm what I said: pointing fingers at the "straight white male" as the ultimate culprit (aka scapegoat) is a modern fallacy: a poor white man as it harder than a rich woman. That's all I'm saying.

 

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

So in your words

 

I didn't use these words. That's your prejudices talking.

 

 

1 hour ago, Jade Bahr said:

you know nothing