schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Posted by someone at a Christian Forum.Atheists & Schizoid Personality Disorder"In my work as a school councillor I have met many young people, andoften their parents, of different beliefs and different problems. I will notstate my specific place of work, as the secular public school systemmakes that exposure a threat to my job once I publicize this message; Ihope you understand. I have generally noticed that the people, studentsand parents alike, who are non-religious or explicitly atheist more oftentend to act different in general than faithful Christians, and not just in termsof adherence to morals, mind you. The deliberate non-believers often aregenerally less expressive with their face and voice; they don't seem to caremuch when authorities or peers speak well or badly of them, as theyattribute it to the traits of the person(s) that speaks of them, not one's self;they are distrustful of others, especially authorities, who are usually themost trustworthy of all people; they tend to keep things to themself, bothincriminating and innocent, and especially things that are pleasurable (notjust socially-unacceptable pleasures, mind you) and/or powerful (not justsocially-unacceptable powers, mind you, such as having an illegalweapon); they reject involvement in their pleasures and pursuits by theirneighbors, especially their parents, who should be involved most of all,and they do not use their facial expression, tone of voice, or words toexpress their joys with others, except for the occasional scrunch-browedsmile that they are clearly trying to 'hold in'. Those are classical traits ofschizoid personality disorder, which is classified by the number 301.20 inthe DSM-IV, which is the official reference for psychological disorders.Schizoids are supposedly often the relatives of schizophrenics, though Ihave not personally noticed such a pattern, but in any case, schizoidcharacter is a type of insanity, but unlike schizophrenia it is an aspect ofthe soul. So far as I've seen, only atheists have those traits, asdistinguished from unorthodox Christians, Muslims, Jews, and deists. Itherefore belief that ALL people that believe in a single all-powerful Godwill be sent to heaven during the tribulation, though those that do notaccept the nicene creed must face trials of purification in purgatory." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worshipper pa Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Posted by someone at a Christian Forum.This tells it is Bullshit even without reading it.NEVER believe religious propaganda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 Posted by someone at a Christian Forum.This tells it is Bullshit even without reading it.NEVER believe religious propaganda!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I do not dismiss claims by seeing the word "religious" or "Christian".Usually, I tend to see which part is wrong and where it is wrong.As much as I hate superstitious people, I hated skeptics who just dismiss everything, at the mere signs of "supernatural" beings. You must always study it with an open mind, sometimes the person might just be right.If they are indeed saying "bullshit", then what are you scared of?They might be scared of you exposing their bullshit, but you have nothing to be scared of. Unless of course, you are the source of bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 The Checklist, according to the above article:-less expressive with their face and voice Check!-they don't seem to care much when authorities or peers speak well or badly of them, as they attribute it to the traits of the person(s) that speaks of them, not one's self Check!-they are distrustful of others, especially authorities, who are usually the most trustworthy of all people Check!-they tend to keep things to themself, both incriminating and innocent, and especially things that are pleasurable (not just socially-unacceptable pleasures, mind you) and/or powerful (not just socially-unacceptable powers, mind you, such as having an illegal weapon) Maybe-they reject involvement in their pleasures and pursuits by their neighbors, especially their parents, who should be involved most of all, Check!-they do not use their facial expression, tone of voice, or words to express their joys with others, except for the occasional scrunch-browed smile that they are clearly trying to 'hold in'. Check!-schizoid character is a type of insanity, Check! Yes, I am aware that I am insane.This is the diagnostic criteria of schizoids, according to Wikipedia.A pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:1. neither desires nor enjoys close relationships, including being part of a family Check!2. almost always chooses solitary activities Check!3. has little, if any, interest in having sexual experiences with another person. Maybe4. takes pleasure in few, if any, activities. Check!5. lacks close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives. Check!6. appears indifferent to the praise or criticism of others. Check!7. shows emotional coldness, detachment, or flattened affectivity. MaybeHOLY SHIT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 Now that I think about it, maybe an anarchist and conspiracy theorist will also have similar results to mine? Because they are all untrusting of authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_ed Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 There is a population avergae of <1% (closer to 1/2%) of schizos. How many relatives does this account for?Now where does he live and how many people could he possibly see?It seems to me this guy is a jackass and maybe if he was so convinced, he should run some experiements. What's he got to lose? He has the right credentials. Maybe he could make some money publishing his report? Or more likely he'd be called an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 There is a population avergae of <1% (closer to 1/2%) of schizos. How many relatives does this account for?Now where does he live and how many people could he possibly see?It seems to me this guy is a jackass and maybe if he was so convinced, he should run some experiements. What's he got to lose? He has the right credentials. Maybe he could make some money publishing his report? Or more likely he'd be called an idiot.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I really want to copy and paste this comment. But, doing so, would inevitably cause me to get banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_ed Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 haha why don't you just cite the first half? Or will they censor that as well? I'd rather just overlook it and move on. Better to have debates that stimulate the mind and the soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 What the hell is wrong with me?Everytime I do a checklist of personality disorder, I will usually get positive results (not in a good way). I bet I have FRD (Fucking Retarded Disorder) too.Below is the diagnostic criteria for Oppositional Defiant Disorder:Diagnostic Criteria: 1. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: 1. often loses temper, often argues with adults, often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules class, often deliberately annoys people, often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior, is often touchy or easily annoyed by others, is often angry and resentful 2. is often spiteful or vindictiveI almost fit every single criteria.Is it just me or is this the Barnum Effect at work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_ed Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Self diagnoses aren't very valid And more often that not it is the Barnum Effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worshipper pa Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I do not dismiss claims by seeing the word "religious" or "Christian".Usually, I tend to see which part is wrong and where it is wrong.As much as I hate superstitious people, I hated skeptics who just dismiss everything, at the mere signs of "supernatural" beings. You must always study it with an open mind, sometimes the person might just be right.If they are indeed saying "bullshit", then what are you scared of?They might be scared of you exposing their bullshit, but you have nothing to be scared of. Unless of course, you are the source of bullshit.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why are these claims written?? Because it is the truth?? NO! The writer her/himself knows it is not true. She/he wrote that to manipulate less intelligent people. I am scared because by definition 50% of people have an IQ of 100 or below. They fall easily to these claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_ed Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 But at some point there's mental retardation Then they can't be influenced muhahahahaha! :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 I do not dismiss claims by seeing the word "religious" or "Christian".Usually, I tend to see which part is wrong and where it is wrong.As much as I hate superstitious people, I hated skeptics who just dismiss everything, at the mere signs of "supernatural" beings. You must always study it with an open mind, sometimes the person might just be right.If they are indeed saying "bullshit", then what are you scared of?They might be scared of you exposing their bullshit, but you have nothing to be scared of. Unless of course, you are the source of bullshit.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why are these claims written?? Because it is the truth?? NO! The writer her/himself knows it is not true. She/he wrote that to manipulate less intelligent people. I am scared because by definition 50% of people have an IQ of 100 or below. They fall easily to these claims.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>The IQ test measures nothing.I am very convinced that at least 70% of the population can be considered as smart, if only they had been given the right education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 But at some point there's mental retardation Then they can't be influenced muhahahahaha! :evil: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, you haven't answered my question about The Barnum Effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worshipper pa Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Ok, you haven't answered my question about The Barnum Effect.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do you do checklists of personality disorders? Don't you have better things to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_ed Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I do not dismiss claims by seeing the word "religious" or "Christian".Usually, I tend to see which part is wrong and where it is wrong. As much as I hate superstitious people, I hated skeptics who just dismiss everything, at the mere signs of "supernatural" beings. You must always study it with an open mind, sometimes the person might just be right. If they are indeed saying "bullshit", then what are you scared of? They might be scared of you exposing their bullshit, but you have nothing to be scared of. Unless of course, you are the source of bullshit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why are these claims written?? Because it is the truth?? NO! The writer her/himself knows it is not true. She/he wrote that to manipulate less intelligent people. I am scared because by definition 50% of people have an IQ of 100 or below. They fall easily to these claims. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The IQ test measures nothing. I am very convinced that at least 70% of the population can be considered as smart, if only they had been given the right education. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The IQ test doesn't measure nothing, but it gives a fair indicator of a person's intellect. However there are factors which it doesn't measure. Also, having the right education and environment is critical to a person's IQ development. What's the question about the Barnum effect? The DSM can be a abit broad for a lot of descriptions and Oppositional Disorder basically classifies pre-pubescant children that are particularly naughty. It is a disorder based on purely on statistics. That is ~5% of naughty kids have OD by definition. So don't be too concerned if others can't call you a young brat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discostu Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Posted by someone at a Christian Forum.This tells it is Bullshit even without reading it.NEVER believe religious propaganda!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea seriously...once i read the top line i wasnt gonna read it. it's gonna be one sided bullshit. ill believe it when the APA releases something on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worshipper pa Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 The IQ test measures nothing.I am very convinced that at least 70% of the population can be considered as smart, if only they had been given the right education.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>IQ tests measures the ability to do well IQ tests. A proper IQ test is designed so that a person needs intelligence to do well.Education makes people wiser, not more intelligent (education has only minor influence on intelligence). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_ed Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Normally there is bias, but sometimes they have an intelligent point to make. I say let the message do the talking, but sometimes I'm with you and I'd dismiss the message based on it's origin (which is not a good thing, I'm just not interested in what they have to say) The APA sometimes release papers that are wrong as well, though chances are it won't be as many as something read from a Chritian Forum. Sometimes, things papers are proved wrong in hindsight, or because of some statistical errors. Don't trust everything based on authority or its source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schadenfreude Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 IQ tests measures the ability to do well IQ tests. A proper IQ test is designed so that a person needs intelligence to do well.Education makes people wiser, not more intelligent (education has only minor influence on intelligence).<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Better to be wise, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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