jkjk Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 It's crazy to think that Italy and Spain may have only known 1-2% of the cases in their countries (maybe less). They were so overwhelmed that they couldn't test. This is happening in all countries, but it was a particularly low percentage in these two. Quote
Enrico_sw Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Matt! said: They're all meth addicts, have you noticed their teeth or what's left of them? And it gets worse! Their teeth are disgusting... Meth is real shit and we know that thanks to Towelie! Quote
Matt! Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said: It's really a great way to talk about other things than the corona-fury. it's the greatest quarantine series ever 1 minute ago, Enrico_sw said: Their teeth are disgusting... Meth is real shit and we know that thanks to Towelie! Quote
Stromboli1 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 @jkjk Now that the Corona death projections have went down from 2.M to 240K-100K to 60K the conspiracy theories are gonna run wild............... myself included. Quote
jkjk Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 ^ The projections have gone down because of social distancing, but conspiracy theories will always pop up. The higher projections will become realistic again when people decide things are not as serious and start grouping together too early. Quote
Stromboli1 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 We still have 3 weeks in the meantime though besides many people not taking it seriously from the beginning. Quote
jkjk Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 In an interview I saw with an epidemiologist/modeler, he said their model had lowered projections based on two main reasons. 1 - They didn't think as high a percentage of people from Europe and North America would follow social distancing as strictly as ended up happening. 2 - Because they only had data from China to start with, they assumed it would take that level of strict adherence to social distancing to slow the growth of the spread of the disease. When data came in from Europe and North America, they realised the growth could still be slowed even without the strictest adherence to social distancing (not slowed as quickly, but still slowed). He pointed out that the spread can still increase anywhere without significant testing, which is how South Korea is handling slowly letting people out in the world again. He didn't say this, but we really don't know how many people have actually died from this virus in any country. Undercounting is happening everywhere, some intentional but probably most not intentional. Quote
Cult Icon Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 A 94 year old WW2 veteran I know has died. He was a Royal Marine that landed in France in 1945. I had last made exchanges with him some 2-3 months ago and had no idea. While he was a nice man I didn't really like him that much while he was alive- he was too attached to his identity as a veteran and his stories were more and more a mixture of his experiences and confabulations from old age. It became hard to talk to him, as I was never sure if what he said was his real WW2 experience or fiction. I think he enjoyed getting the instant admiration from people too much and thus sought it out from others until the very end. If anything I learned from him that it was just not worthwhile to cling on old accomplishments and base one's identity around it- no matter how great they may have been. It's just not healthy and human memory fades and gets transformed over long duration until they bear only partial resemblance to life as experienced. Nothing lasts. Everything turns into sand someday. Quote
Enrico_sw Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Looks like some journalists are going to need courses on epistemology, to make a difference between: fundamental research, applied research and medicine/healthcare! When there are medical emergencies and when a well know medication with few side effects could save lives (even if it's not certain), it's not that important if there's no fundamental research to back it up. Also, some journalists seem to say that placebo effect is a fake effect. That's quite the opposite! The placebo effect has real impacts on people's health, the mind is more powerful than we think. Quote
Matt! Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said: Also, some journalists seem to say that placebo effect is a fake effect. That's quite the opposite! The placebo effect has real impacts on people's health, the mind is more powerful than we think. Can confirm Here's further reading on the subject https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-effect Quote
Cult Icon Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 5:36 AM, Stromboli1 said: That's terrible! Are they layoffs or furloughs? More are coming the longer we stay shutdown and even possibly after the shutdown ends. Businesses and companies (small & large) will never be the same. I didn't ask further. I just know that he is going to fire the first group- based on least seniority. My dad is an office manager in restaurant supply/distribution for a medium sized company. In every recession (and this counts as an extreme short-term depression- closer to the year that the Soviet Union collapsed for the economy) executives use the opportunity to clean their companies of "overhead and dead wood" that would otherwise be harder to fire without a convenient excuse. Now they can fire more people without demoralizing the workforce thanks to the COVID 19 excuse. I wish I knew how lucky public sector workers were when I was younger. My dad's business is remarkably stable- it did OK even during the Great recession years because people always eat out. Quote
Cult Icon Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt! said: ^ Sorry to hear that thanks Quote
Cult Icon Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 I went grocery shopping yesterday and finally, the grocery stores are now heavily raided. Truncated operating hours. No paper goods and no frozen food anymore. Shortages all over the place, even things like flour are gone. almost everybody is wearing a mask now Quote
Stromboli1 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: I didn't ask further. I just know that he is going to fire the first group- based on least seniority. My dad works in restaurant supply/distribution.. In every recession (and this counts as an extreme depression) executives use the opportunity to clean their companies of "overhead and dead wood" that would otherwise be harder to execute without a convenient excuse. I wish I knew how lucky public sector workers were when I was younger. Yeah that industry as well as the entertainment industry will be hit really hard. I hope everything works out. Quote
jkjk Posted April 10, 2020 Posted April 10, 2020 The Chinese governments tracking app is amazing. It's terrible and I wouldn't like it, but from a purely technical view, it's impressive. Quote
Cult Icon Posted April 10, 2020 Posted April 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Stromboli1 said: Yeah that industry as well as the entertainment industry will be hit really hard. I hope everything works out. every industry in the private sector at risk- the economy has shut down outside of essential services. I hope things start recovering in 1-2 months Quote
Cult Icon Posted April 10, 2020 Posted April 10, 2020 so when is "Sincerely" by Louis CK going to be bootlegged? A lot of attention whore commentators but nobody has delivered the goods yet. Quote
Stromboli1 Posted April 10, 2020 Posted April 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, Cult Icon said: every industry in the private sector at risk- the economy has shut down outside of essential services. I hope things start recovering in 1-2 months Of course! Looks like we might be able to open back up in May, if not staggered at least. Quote
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