Enrico_sw

Yep. Another example.

I definitely agree with this view. I don't get why Wikipedia says Catharsis is particularly about pity and fear, because it can also work with anger, sadness, compassion, etc. I actually think that anger and fear can be purged through video games (at least that's the case for me). Killing monsters in the Witcher or shooting bad guys in a FPS or even kicking mobsters' asses in Batman games really help young'uns regulate their passions. Woke movies remind us too much about real life and these painful/useless debates who divide people. But people want to evade that. And of course they make everything unrealistic to the point that the suspension of disbelief gets regularly stabbed in the back....

Femme Actuelle, 24 January 2022

OMG, this is so true

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A recent example of what happens. It shows why woke is divisive and full of hatred.

I agree that SISE has gone full woke. On this, I agree too. On this, I agree too. This is EXACTLY my point and what I've consistently been saying for the past years. And woke is the opposite of that. Woke is about who the cast is (whether they're good or not - and then, they shift the blame when the audience realizes it and when they don't want to see scapegoats). So, should I understand that you don't like Woke, because we're saying the same thing here? --- So, I guess our disagreement is the fact that you don't think Woke is responsible for the demise of Star Wars, ST Discovery and Picard, Batwoman and many many others... (even if their show runners have consistently been saying that the gender/ethnicity of the cast was a relevant factor in the quality of their shows)

This post is a key part of my point. It'd be nice to get your feedback (or anyone's feedback), I'm genuinely interested in what people think about it.

(It seems that you want to talk about details and things that are not my main point, which IMO makes us avoid the big picture. But don't worry, I'll still answer to your point ) Yes, you're right these are two different subjects, though the actress has a significant impact on how a movie is marketed. And woke is part of a marketing strategy, so it's not that disconnected with how a movie is sold. At least, Daisy Ridley is a nice actress, unlike Brie Larson who has very toxic traits in her personality. This has probably discouraged many viewers. Anyway my main point is that woke ruins good story telling (all the rest is literature, as we would say in French). You can add that it ruins the marketing campaign too, if you want, but it's secondary.

Superman was a poorly written character at first. That's why they invented Kryptonite (and he's still not a very good character IMO - I'm not a huge fan of this franchise). Also, superman actors didn't come out to the press and exclude an entire demographic like Brie Larson did.

And the 2016 all-female Ghostbusters that you mentioned is a very woke show.

I wasn't talking about GB Afterlife. I replied to your sentence "In general I think that a lot of the "wokeness ruined this" debate is about other things." My point is that these are not separate subjects.

Don't put words in my mouth,. I think Captain Marvel is a poorly written character (from comics to movie). Just like Rey is a poorly written character. But Leia was a great character, Mara Jade was a great character, etc. Being the bestest at everything without trying makes poor characters.

Yep, they're right. It's completely retconning and denaturing what we loved in the original shows (like TNG). The scenario is garbage, but the actors are good and the soundtrack is awesome. Jeff Russo (the guy that wrote the OST) is my hero. That guy is super talented.

This is a pretty good example. Discovery and Picard are extremely woke shows, with very political marketing campaign (the evidence is overwhelming, even Patrick Stewart took part in this marketing strategy). As you say, Star Trek (a franchise that I really like) was originally humanist and it often encouraged bridges between people. Woke is the exact opposite : it antagonizes people, it makes them hate each other, on the basis of their skin color, gender, or sexual orientation

There's another thing. You seem to not be bothered by wokeness (I may be wrong, so correct me if I am). You're a reasonable guy who want to do the right thing. So, I don't understand why you tolerated an ideology that judges people on the basis of their skin color and gender, while designating a scapegoat (straight white male). I really and honestly don't get it. Lots of good faith / reasonable people get dragged by this woke trend. (And some of them tend to get violent about it - which is not your case, so thanks for that)

These are not separate subjects. Woke is highly correlated with poor quality shows. IMO, it's more than a correlation, it's a causality. Creatively bankrupt creators and risk adverse investors want to woke things up in their shows because they think it can make up for their failures. But it doesn't. And since Hollywood is an oligopoly, it's a slow mammoth that will change very very slowly.

Today's female characters are bad most of the time (which shows how feminism is not really defending women). These characters don't have narrative arcs where they have to prove themselves, evolve, get better after overcoming hardships. Characters like Rey in SW or Captain Marvel are always the "bestest" at everything without even trying. This is not realistic, that's why people (men and women alike) don't like these characters.